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P90
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July 20th, 2012 at 8:14:45 AM permalink
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Did you see what happened after Katrina? Gangs roved the streets, and the police couldn't do anything because THEY WERE UNDER ATTACK FROM GANGS OF CRIMINALS.


You also have to consider WHERE it happened. New Orleans is only a few steps away from that on its best days.

Hate to sound like a bigot, but for TEOTWAWKI survival it would be a huge advantage to live in a more... traditional place. One race, one grocery market, two gun stores, one church and everyone goes, one vote for 'rats in the past 50 years and only because the guy couldn't read.

Can you see a town like that breaking into looter gangs, whatever disaster strikes? I can't.
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July 20th, 2012 at 8:32:22 AM permalink
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Read "One Second After" by Forstchen

It involves an EMP knocking out all electricity in America, and the effect is mass starvation, religious hysteria, and society returning to the 19th century. It is an excellent book.


If an EMP hit, the first places to raid are local pharmacies. You want to grab anything that can be used as a form of barter. Any grocery stores are good, too. Grab all the non-perishable food you can for storage, eat anything that is perishable now. That might give you a few months.



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July 20th, 2012 at 9:17:18 AM permalink
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Read "One Second After" by Forstchen


I'm currently about halfway through this book. The author can't write very well; for example, I've counted 5 instances in the first 4 chapters of the phrase "I could of done that..." rather than "I could have done that...". Irks the hell out of me when the author makes such a grammatical error and the editor/proofer and the publishing house don't correct it.

Story's okay though, not great, kinda slow, but keeping my interest. King's The Stand put the bar pretty high though.
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July 20th, 2012 at 9:17:40 AM permalink
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Hate to sound like a bigot, but for TEOTWAWKI survival it would be a huge advantage to live in a more... traditional place. One race, one grocery market, two gun stores, one church and everyone goes, one vote for 'rats in the past 50 years and only because the guy couldn't read.



implying that white republicans driven to the wall wouldn't act like savages?
you must live in fantasyland

somehow i doubt you hate to "sound" like a bigot.
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July 20th, 2012 at 11:27:37 AM permalink
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implying that white republicans driven to the wall wouldn't act like savages?
you must live in fantasyland

somehow i doubt you hate to "sound" like a bigot.



There may be some Bigot-try there, but cohesive societies would be more likely to work together. Which also indicates that the urban populations will band together as well.

Who would you hang out with? And that isn't a biggotted statement. If a TEOTW scenario was to come into play, then everyone is going to be alot more nervous around others, until thier motives/purposes have been determined.

If a TEOTW scenario WOULD happen, then would we all be struck dumb? All the things that YOU know now, would be forgotten?

Maybe your skill set isn't set up to operate in a TEOTW enviornment. But wouldn't you adapt? And even with an EMP pulse, MUCH machinery would still be able to work. You could strip off much of the electronic controls, for example, from a engine/generator, and then have electricity.

Outside of pumps, much of your civilian water/sewer systems would still work.
Even Electrical distribution systems would still EXIST. The would just have to be repaired. And the demand on the system would be much less, and then you would have SOME electricity...
We would still have roads. Maybe your 2011 car won't run, but your 1970's mobile will start up. Fuel? There would be folks working in Houston and NJ to restart refineries and other systems.
Many of these "doomsday" books do not have a clue about the basic infrastructure and how it is really designed, and how easy much of it is to operate.

If you are not dead, you go to work, or you try to make your sitch better. Which might mean walking south from the cold north, or into areas that might be able to support you. You might have skills that the people THERE need. Demonstrate the skill, and you might have a new job.

I think most members of the press and political classes will probably starve to death, but I digress.

Travel to Africa, China, or even India, and see millions of folks subsisting, or even doing ok, by thier standards on no electricity or even plumbing...

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July 20th, 2012 at 11:37:36 AM permalink
i would probably begin by amassing a huge pack of dogs for protection/food...
and befriending some well-armed individuals.
then i would probably form a cult-like operation on a relative's farm.
of course most people are most comfortable around people of their own ethnicity or socio-economic class,
but there are certain personality and cultural traits that might come in useful in an end of the world scenario.
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July 20th, 2012 at 3:12:32 PM permalink
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implying that white republicans driven to the wall wouldn't act like savages?


Yes. A stagnant agricultural town of same-race conservatives who go to the same church every Sunday is not going to turn into savages. If remote enough, it might not even notice a nuclear war right away, until trucks with internets stop coming in. In other scenarios, it's going to stick together. As has happened in history time and time again.

(BTW, did I say it has to be White? An all-Latino town south of the border works just as well, so would any other, if other conditions are met. Single race, aside from lack of racial tensions, implies little migration and likely strong family ties.)

New Orleans is a mix of warring gangs and welfare mothers feeding them with new fodder on the best of days. On its worst days, it's only to be expected that its citizens will do what they do best, only this time all out.


Quote: WongBo

i would probably begin by amassing a huge pack of dogs for protection/food...
and befriending some well-armed individuals.


You're a bit late then, got to prepare in advance. I have a gun room at my house.

Complete with tornado/fallout shelter entrance, extra exits, concrete-filled doors.
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July 20th, 2012 at 3:34:33 PM permalink
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You're a bit late then, got to prepare in advance. I have a gun room at my house.



I have guns in every room, no gun room. I even have
a shotgun mounted over the back door. I can be standing
there talking to you and look unarmed, but there's a loaded
gun about 2 seconds from my hands. There's another one
hanging from the coat rack, a holstered .38. And it goes
on from there.
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July 20th, 2012 at 3:57:24 PM permalink
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I have guns in every room, no gun room. I even have a shotgun mounted over the back door. I can be standing
there talking to you and look unarmed, but there's a loaded gun about 2 seconds from my hands. There's another one hanging from the coat rack, a holstered .38.


There are advantages to it, but also disadvantages.

A gun room serves purposes other than security, it's a convenient place to size and load brass, store powders without worrying about fire safety, keep every part together. And then it would really come in play with kids, even if you teach them gun safety, you'll always have concerns just in case.
Though security's a factor too. I wouldn't want to leave a day/night scope that costs like a used car lying around in random places, then going around the house wondering if I've left it in the garage or if anyone visiting in the last week might have picked it up from the floor.

It's not like I don't have weapons where I actually might need them. But in every room, not necessary. I'll hear things well in advance if someone manages to break in, better not provide them with extra firearms.
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