November 12th, 2025 at 8:30:17 AM
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I still lament the day, Vegas laws were made that allowed all gambling slots to hide their odds. One of the worst mistakes ever. Even a general number with ideal play would be good enough.
Imagine doing any sort of recreation where you find out the actual cost by what you're charged afterwards. Take a vacation - okay what did that cost me? Buy a car -- how much did I pay for this?
with the exception of VP I suppose and few other caveats.
Imagine doing any sort of recreation where you find out the actual cost by what you're charged afterwards. Take a vacation - okay what did that cost me? Buy a car -- how much did I pay for this?
with the exception of VP I suppose and few other caveats.
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November 12th, 2025 at 8:55:42 AM
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My credit card comes with a box that states if you pay this much each month, it will take X amount of time and outlines the interest rate you will pay.
Perhaps the slot should say- If you play $100 a month on this machine, after twenty years, your expected value is less than zero.
Perhaps the slot should say- If you play $100 a month on this machine, after twenty years, your expected value is less than zero.
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November 12th, 2025 at 10:22:28 AM
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Quote: billryanMy credit card comes with a box that states if you pay this much each month, it will take X amount of time and outlines the interest rate you will pay.
Perhaps the slot should say- If you play $100 a month on this machine, after twenty years, your expected value is less than zero.
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I think my complaint is more specific. You don’t know if the slot is 97% return or 87%.
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November 12th, 2025 at 10:43:44 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: billryanMy credit card comes with a box that states if you pay this much each month, it will take X amount of time and outlines the interest rate you will pay.
Perhaps the slot should say- If you play $100 a month on this machine, after twenty years, your expected value is less than zero.
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I think my complaint is more specific. You don’t know if the slot is 97% return or 87%.
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I think most slot players would prefer to know if the machine is hot or not. Good luck if you work on getting it changed.
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November 12th, 2025 at 10:50:01 AM
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In Minnesota, slots cannot pay above 95%. So the pass line on crapless craps machines pays less than 95%. The double zero roulette machine pays less than 95%. The VBJ must have a setting to pay less than 95%.
New slot machines would be set up and people would play them for a week, then the machines would be tightened up over the following month then nobody played the machines.
New slot machines would be set up and people would play them for a week, then the machines would be tightened up over the following month then nobody played the machines.
November 12th, 2025 at 11:00:09 AM
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If this is like pretty much every other best/worst question I have answered, I'll probably change my answer in 10 minutes or so, but at the moment, it's the law that bans using a phone app for VP strategy.
This is if it is limited to Nevada. Overall, I would say, California's law banning craps and roulette that don't use playing cards somehow. There does not appear to be a ballot measure for either of the 2026 elections that would change this.
This is if it is limited to Nevada. Overall, I would say, California's law banning craps and roulette that don't use playing cards somehow. There does not appear to be a ballot measure for either of the 2026 elections that would change this.

