billryan
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June 26th, 2019 at 7:55:41 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

I see the benefit of taking a train. If I have to head into the Chicago Loop for any reason during the workweek you will probably see me take it. Even if you take saving the $25 or more in parking out of the equation, trains, at least make it possible to reach your destination quicker than driving. They do make stops but are not encumbered by traffic lights or traffic jams. Plus, trains typically get up to highway speeds, or even greater. The bus, on the other hand, you sit in the same traffic, wait at the same lights but you make stops, plus the bus typically drives slower than a car. There is no possible way to make it to your destination faster by bus than it would be by car.



No, the bus's benefit is it is much cheaper. When I lived in Queens, I was a twenty minute ride from the Port Authority so $2 for the subway plus $23 for the bus and I was on my way, expenses paid round trip.
By car, I'd have to pay $8 for the first tolls, and $12 for the Jersey crossing. Then a couple bucks for the Jersey Turnpike and a few more for the Garden State Parkway and finally the Atlantic City Bridge. That's already more than the bus costs and we haven't mentioned parking, gas or the return tolls.
In some cases, the bus is actually quicker as there are dedicated lanes through the tunnels and cops don't stop buses for speeding.
Driving to AC is a grind. Flying is the best way, then boat, then bus. The first two are usually by invite only. As far as driving goes, few people want to drive eight hours to speak a few hours gambling.
darkoz
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June 26th, 2019 at 8:28:37 AM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Which makes no sense

Especially since NY subways are actually above ground and even elevated for probably 40% of the total track



One has to rank higher than the other unless you want them to be equal POS for transportation options. I would still put a train as more preferable than a subway and the bus as the worst option. You are the expert though, so what order do you rank train, bus, and subway?



Comfort train ranks higher than bus

Price bus generally ranks higher than train (lower prices for the same destination)

Some bus lines go where trains dont which ranks them higher for their variety

I still consider subways to be trains. There are different grades of trains just like airplanes and boats. A single engine cessna vs a commercial jetliner its quite obvious they are different and yet they are both planes.

People in NYC often say they are taking the train when referring to the subway.

LIRR Long Island Railroad is a regional train system that is higher priced and higher comfort levels and quicker speed serving NYC and long Island. They also go underground as well as elevated. You seem to be trying to claim the LIRR is a train or not a train?
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Gabes22
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June 26th, 2019 at 8:29:56 AM permalink
Why would it take 8 hours to get there? Looks to me like 2.5 hours.
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darkoz
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June 26th, 2019 at 8:33:49 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Why would it take 8 hours to get there? Looks to me like 2.5 hours.



Depending on time of day it can take 2 hours to get thru the Lincoln Tunnel alone. Traffic of 8 million residents in an area the size of Burbank California
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billryan
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June 26th, 2019 at 8:50:33 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Why would it take 8 hours to get there? Looks to me like 2.5 hours.



In hundreds of trips( I worked the Casbah for just over a year) the best time door to door was just under three hours. I once caught an 10 PM bus and was gambling by midnight but usually it was closer to four hours. Then you have the return trip. Most bus people are day trippers.
If you left NYC mid afternoon, you are looking at 3.5 hours., minimum.
The last fifty miles or so are on a two land highway constantly under construction, and a fender bender turns the road into a parking lot. The road cuts thru the Pine Barrons, where fire is a constant threat in summer. Twice I got detoured some fifty miles out of the way for smoke conditions, and once because a NJ Air National Guard pilot decided to land on the parkway. That was fun.
onenickelmiracle
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June 26th, 2019 at 9:42:33 AM permalink
I feel for the man, these problems are involuntary and the people usually obviously do not even know they have had an accident. Does anyone look after this man? Probably not. The man should be carrying wipes and be adult wearing diapers for when someone notifies him am accident has happened. I'm not sympathetic to him being banned, because obviously he isn't prioritizing. Unfortunately for him, needing to provide extra care beyond the cost of the bus ticket is his responsibility.
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AxelWolf
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June 26th, 2019 at 10:58:38 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Iím going to assume this is a legitimate post. Iím also going to assume DarkOz isnít the person in question.

So the simple answer is the guy deserves a seat on the bus and everyone riding it gets exactly what they deserve for riding the bus. Remember, everyone is equal in the liberal America todayís freaks want.

Looks like I was late for the bus party. Damn you Boz (and Max), you guys ruined all my fun.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FleaStiff
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June 26th, 2019 at 12:30:43 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

The bus company has indeed been making a reasonable accomodation for him - but allowing him to continue to stain seats with bodily wastes is NOT reasonable.
>risk of a lawsuit is small given the man's medical condition and his poverty.

An excellent analysis of the law and of practical matters.
FleaStiff
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June 26th, 2019 at 1:07:38 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

No, the bus's benefit is it is much cheaper.
By car, I'd have to pay $8 for the first tolls, and $12 for the Jersey crossing. Then a couple bucks for the Jersey Turnpike and a few more for the Garden State Parkway and finally the Atlantic City Bridge. That's already more than the bus costs and we haven't mentioned parking, gas or the return tolls.
Driving to AC is a grind. Flying is the best way, then boat, then bus.

The problem is Atlantic City is just that. A city and gambling is state laws and state control of funds. Even if 'train" travel were possible its too many jurisdictions and too much technology for anyone to shoulder. Long term bonds can't fund anything when repayment is by privately owned casinos particularly those managed like the Revel. And who wants to fund the travel by this colostomy-leaking guy, his action at tables won't retire a bond issue.
mcallister3200
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June 26th, 2019 at 6:37:26 PM permalink
Yeah the bus was a mistake my cheap ass should have just rented the car two extra days....sitting on the WAX from airport to downtown and took all of one minute for a crazy homeless looking dude to be singing and talking to no one in general obviously not going to stop until he gets off.

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