AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 4:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It pretty much answers what i thought.

And cant understand why you have difficulty understanding pro-choice is not pro-abortion



Have you not seen the examples I have posted? I know you have because you have replied in the past. When women go to a rally called "shout your abortion" they are not pro-choice, they are pro-abortion. When they wear shirts that say, "I had an abortion" they are not pro-choice they are pro-abortion. When they tear down a monument to unborn babies aborted that is peaceful and quiet and say, "THAT ONE WAS MINE" they are not pro-choice, they are pro-abortion.

You seem to have a problem separating someone who does not want abortion restrictions with the leaders of the movement who shout and celebrate abortion. (BTW, these are some of the "moonbats" I mentioned earlier. Don't want kids but are undatable.)

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I actually dont think women should have abortions

I do think women should be able to make that choice for themselves

I would quote your last line about liking people who like freedom and prefer to live in freedom but apparently you dont consider women, gays, immigrants, minorities or the poor to be people otherwise you would be interested in their right to freedom as well



I am fine with them having freedom. I am against them thinking their freedom lessens someone elese's freedoms. I do not believe two people of the same sex is a marriage and never will accept it as one. Do you support my freedom to my opinion? Probably not. I do not support the "freedom" of illegal immigrants, they are here illegally after all. Can I break into your house and raid the fridge and if so will you call it "freedom?" I am actually for instant deportation of people caught near the border just arrived. I am fine with freedom for minorities, but I am sick of them getting special treatment, like extra SAT points because after decades they still do not score well, blaming a "racist test." I am tired of everything being called "racist." And I am really tired of "being a minority" being used as an excust why we cannot have things like Voter ID.

I am actually probably the least bigoted person on this forum as I want everyone to meet the same standard. I think everyone is capable.
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Gabes22
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June 11th, 2019 at 4:31:41 PM permalink
Since we are or at least were on this thing about public education. I felt the schools failed me. I felt they reined in achievers at the expense of attempting to bring others up. As a result I never learned how to study. I could ace tests based upon paying attention in class. I never read a book assigned to me. I never took notes. I never studied for a test. Today I am 40 years old and I would not have the ability to study if I were taking an exam for my chosen field. I felt public education dumbed me down because they felt they didnt have to waste their time with me.
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AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 4:37:46 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If thats your definition of a subset then all American history is a subset.

Christopher Columbus is a subset.

The war of independence is a subset

Slavery is a subset

So basically all American history should be taught in college and ignored in public schools



Uh, no. History should be taught as it happened. It just so happens that those dastardly white males made most of USA history. Pre-college you teach it as it happened. Christopher Columbus to George Washington to Lincoln to Teddy Roosevelt to all the modern stuff. Gay history really does not affect anything that happened in a major way. So a course on gays in history is best for a college elective.

Note that any kind of degree in a specialty "studies" (e.g.: gay, black, women, etc) is generally regarded as a "joke degree." Useless. So a not required elective course, knock yourself out. But HS students would get more out of a shop or home ec course than a gays in history course.

The fact is the gay-studies in government schools is just about pleasing a small (1-2%) special interest group.
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rxwine
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June 11th, 2019 at 4:56:27 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Since we are or at least were on this thing about public education. I felt the schools failed me. I felt they reined in achievers at the expense of attempting to bring others up.



All through my early education, kids who were considered quick or bright skipped grades. Not forced to be held back. What happened to you?
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:27:12 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Since we are or at least were on this thing about public education. I felt the schools failed me. I felt they reined in achievers at the expense of attempting to bring others up. As a result I never learned how to study. I could ace tests based upon paying attention in class. I never read a book assigned to me. I never took notes. I never studied for a test. Today I am 40 years old and I would not have the ability to study if I were taking an exam for my chosen field. I felt public education dumbed me down because they felt they didnt have to waste their time with me.


Same with me. Donít think I really ever studied for a test. Rarely, if ever, I did the assigned reading. Maybe a few times in chemistry I studied for a test, but other than that....nope. I just paid attention during classes, took minimal notes if any, and got Aís and Bís (C in chemistry because that was hard AF for me).
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mcallister3200
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:28:30 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Since we are or at least were on this thing about public education. I felt the schools failed me. I felt they reined in achievers at the expense of attempting to bring others up. As a result I never learned how to study. I could ace tests based upon paying attention in class. I never read a book assigned to me. I never took notes. I never studied for a test. Today I am 40 years old and I would not have the ability to study if I were taking an exam for my chosen field. I felt public education dumbed me down because they felt they didnt have to waste their time with me.



100% agree with you and mirrors my experience in public school growing up. I spent less than 10 hours per year on homework or studying at home only doing homework from the previous day during class while listening, but always tested well. They never tried to make it remotely interesting or challenging. Public schools are or were geared so that people who canít read, write, or do arithmetic can graduate if they show up and donít have disciplinary issues.
AZDuffman
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:31:43 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Same with me. Donít think I really ever studied for a test. Rarely, if ever, I did the assigned reading. Maybe a few times in chemistry I studied for a test, but other than that....nope. I just paid attention during classes, took minimal notes if any, and got Aís and Bís (C in chemistry because that was hard AF for me).



My 9th grade Econ teacher hated my guts because I took so few notes. I got Bs in his class, but took few notes and only took most of what I took because the notebook was part of your grade. He flat said, "Its amazing you get the grades you do with the notes you take!"

He probably thought I was not paying attention, but I was because I liked the subject. I got good grades in the classes I liked, barely squeaked by the classes I hated. If I was young today I would be being pumped with ADD dope for sure.
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mcallister3200
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:35:51 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

All through my early education, kids who were considered quick or bright skipped grades. Not forced to be held back. What happened to you?



Iím not Gabes, but I recall taking math with the grades ahead of me in elementary but not skipping the whole grade, taking rest of classes with my age. I would have been testing in the top 10% at that time but nothing special. I was given the option of going to college rather than high school Jr year, that option was actually not there Sr year as I had dropped out of top 15% in class required for that.
rxwine
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:39:45 PM permalink
Hmm.

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A recent report from Johns Hopkins University shows that about two out of every seven children are ready for a higher-grade curriculum. These children are not learning something new each day, and are likely bored in class.

This has serious implications: Research has shown that greater intellectual stimulation is important for helping talented kids achieve their full potential.

One effective way to help talented students remain intellectually challenged and engaged in school is to have them skip a grade. Research shows that about 1 percent of students grade-skip. Students can skip grades at any level, and they can even skip multiple grades.

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When gifted students who grade-skipped were compared to similarly gifted students who did not grade-skip, the grade-skipped students came out ahead in all academic categories.



http://theconversation.com/should-i-grade-skip-my-gifted-child-66359
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FleaStiff
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June 11th, 2019 at 5:40:18 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Free? Why? How?
Is what you are really saying, "the morning after pill should be paid for by society so women can be too cheap to pay for their own brith control?"


I think it is more a realization that condoms do break occasionally and women do have impulses and memory lapses, so its not a political belief about free loading but an acceptance of reality.

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