BedWetterBetter
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April 9th, 2019 at 3:03:53 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Why are you risking your "play" using other cards for buffets and drinks?

Furthermore any employee there has been empowered by management so the smallprint would hold up. Your reading of the words to the strictest interpretation (management means managers only) would be lovely but wont work in a real world situation



Simple, Monday and Tuesday are Free Buffet day at Mt. Airy and each player's card is entitled to ONE free pass. So if I choose to go once in the afternoon and once again at night, it would be wise to use the free passes. Especially if I have the ID for one of them and can provide it if they ask for it. Normally, they don't ask for ID if you show them the player card that matches the name on the Pass.

What I don't agree with is them ordering you to surrender the card for using the buffet pass and refusing to return it as if they have the right to keep it as Cashiers. They use the excuse, "I'm just doing my job, you can get a new card at the Rewards Center" But that is just another hassle as lines are generally longer on free giveaway days.

I just feel they should give you a warning or put up a sign that says 'Using an older card will result in forfeiture of that card for Free Buffet Vouchers'

The drinks are just gravy as they have no affect on my abilities and used to draw heat away from me. Now, they are in Big Brother mode by monitoring everything you wager, drink, redeem and how often you do it with certain player cards.
BedWetterBetter
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April 9th, 2019 at 3:10:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Perhaps, but I'm not so sure.

Lets say you have a card collection would that mean all the casinos own your card collection? Perhaps they can use that and get a warrant to come into your house if they know you have a bunch of their cards?



I know at CET properties they Red Flag Diamond & Seven Star player cards and are alerted when the card is used on a machine or table.

I once found a Diamond card laying beside a machine and kept it for free parking at Caesars AC. When I was playing a cold slot machine, I figured I would use this card and play a few spins. Sure enough it led to a $100 win on the machine and I quickly removed the card and cashed the ticket right away. I went back to the machine bank and played with my card, soon enough a Slot Manager and Security guard confronted me and asked for ID. I showed them knowing what they would ask next and I denied using another players card on purpose.

I said I don't know anyone by that name and perhaps they left their card in the machine when I started playing. They told me that client was "red flagged" and I should read the message prompt for my name and info before playing next time. I said "No problem, bye!" And away they went!
darkoz
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April 9th, 2019 at 3:41:13 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

I know at CET properties they Red Flag Diamond & Seven Star player cards and are alerted when the card is used on a machine or table.

I once found a Diamond card laying beside a machine and kept it for free parking at Caesars AC. When I was playing a cold slot machine, I figured I would use this card and play a few spins. Sure enough it led to a $100 win on the machine and I quickly removed the card and cashed the ticket right away. I went back to the machine bank and played with my card, soon enough a Slot Manager and Security guard confronted me and asked for ID. I showed them knowing what they would ask next and I denied using another players card on purpose.

I said I don't know anyone by that name and perhaps they left their card in the machine when I started playing. They told me that client was "red flagged" and I should read the message prompt for my name and info before playing next time. I said "No problem, bye!" And away they went!



I have used diamond cards that were not mine at CET and that is not my experience

I always use cards that have been given to me with permission

I suspect since you used the card you found and not with permission for free parking and also to make points with (this alone is egregious but I can't divulge why) you probably caused the owner of the card to complain and you caused the card to be flagged by your actions -- not because it was diamond specifically

And why would winning $100 trigger anything less suspicious than winning $10? Thats not a jackpot amount any casino is going to sweat
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BedWetterBetter
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April 15th, 2019 at 6:00:39 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have used diamond cards that were not mine at CET and that is not my experience

I always use cards that have been given to me with permission

I suspect since you used the card you found and not with permission for free parking and also to make points with (this alone is egregious but I can't divulge why) you probably caused the owner of the card to complain and you caused the card to be flagged by your actions -- not because it was diamond specifically

And why would winning $100 trigger anything less suspicious than winning $10? Thats not a jackpot amount any casino is going to sweat



Didn't actually THAT card for Free parking, sorry if you misunderstood the story. I meant I hang on to Diamond cards and use them if I NEED to for free parking. I almost always take the bus down to AC for numerous reasons including the absurd parking rates for Gold and lower tier members.

I also did not say that the win prompted security to confront me. What I did say was "Diamond and Seven Star Members were Red Flagged by CET management and if a card is used there is slot attendant or host alerted to it for better or worse."

Free parking is a perk and is not deducted, tracked (regularly) or penalized for players who don't play a certain amount. The person in the booth doesn't even look at the name half the time and just makes sure it's a valid date and clears the swipe for the parking gate to go up!

Unless a player is diligently watching his tier and reward credit status, why would they complain about a random increases either? I know I wouldn't mine somebody playing on my card when I'm not at the casino and getting me free comps & tier credits.

Other than their ADT being affected, it can only help and if they are primarily table players, then any slot play would potentially help them. One play that I've noticed helps me is if you are losing a lot on a slot machine, switching player cards can net a quick hit or recover some of the losses, as it resets the RNG and provides new opportunity for a new player. But don't take my word for it, try it and see for yourself!
darkoz
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April 15th, 2019 at 7:12:58 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Didn't actually THAT card for Free parking, sorry if you misunderstood the story. I meant I hang on to Diamond cards and use them if I NEED to for free parking. I almost always take the bus down to AC for numerous reasons including the absurd parking rates for Gold and lower tier members.

I also did not say that the win prompted security to confront me. What I did say was "Diamond and Seven Star Members were Red Flagged by CET management and if a card is used there is slot attendant or host alerted to it for better or worse."

Free parking is a perk and is not deducted, tracked (regularly) or penalized for players who don't play a certain amount. The person in the booth doesn't even look at the name half the time and just makes sure it's a valid date and clears the swipe for the parking gate to go up!

Unless a player is diligently watching his tier and reward credit status, why would they complain about a random increases either? I know I wouldn't mine somebody playing on my card when I'm not at the casino and getting me free comps & tier credits.

Other than their ADT being affected, it can only help and if they are primarily table players, then any slot play would potentially help them. One play that I've noticed helps me is if you are losing a lot on a slot machine, switching player cards can net a quick hit or recover some of the losses, as it resets the RNG and provides new opportunity for a new player. But don't take my word for it, try it and see for yourself!



I use plenty of players cards. Switching cards does not affect the RNG

You understand ADT and think you are helping this person? You dont know his offers and he easily could have complained because his offers were negatively affected which may have flagged the card

You are not doing him a service with sporadic play
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BedWetterBetter
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April 15th, 2019 at 7:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I use plenty of players cards. Switching cards does not affect the RNG

You understand ADT and think you are helping this person? You dont know his offers and he easily could have complained because his offers were negatively affected which may have flagged the card

You are not doing him a service with sporadic play



If he's Seven Stars, a once or twice a year low ADT probably won't drastically affect his ADT. He will certainly play enough on his trips to erase those small wins that I get. Plus he would not know about it unless he watches his TR credits and Tier score daily, which I doubt he does.

Heck, I don't even bother with that useless info and just keep on grindin. I saw about 160 RC and 500 tier points show up this year and forgot about the Facebook giveaways for Total Rewards back in November. So nobody is really keeping track, except maybe YOU of course.
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April 15th, 2019 at 8:43:40 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

If he's Seven Stars, a once or twice a year low ADT probably won't drastically affect his ADT. He will certainly play enough on his trips to erase those small wins that I get. Plus he would not know about it unless he watches his TR credits and Tier score daily, which I doubt he does.

Heck, I don't even bother with that useless info and just keep on grindin. I saw about 160 RC and 500 tier points show up this year and forgot about the Facebook giveaways for Total Rewards back in November. So nobody is really keeping track, except maybe YOU of course.



Regardless

I have no qualms attacking casinos thru AP play.

What you are doing is attacking another players "rating"

There can be no upside for you if you only get free parking which requires no play at that level

And why should this player have to erase any damage caused by you?

This is not AP play you are doing but reckless and pointless
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BedWetterBetter
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April 16th, 2019 at 3:47:49 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Regardless

I have no qualms attacking casinos thru AP play.

What you are doing is attacking another players "rating"

There can be no upside for you if you only get free parking which requires no play at that level

And why should this player have to erase any damage caused by you?

This is not AP play you are doing but reckless and pointless



Again, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!

I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?
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April 16th, 2019 at 4:21:26 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Again, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!

I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?



You are attacking his "rating"

WHY ARE YOU STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD IN SLOT MACHINES?

You clearly do not comprehend what you are doing. It has nothing to do with free parking

YOU SHOULD NOT BE STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD TO CHURN OUT A FEW POINTS WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION

Thats the issue. Dont deflect
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April 16th, 2019 at 4:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Again, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!

I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?



Why are you screwing this random stranger ? You claim no benefit but you are hurting his offers. Why?

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