Smoking bans

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I hate smoking. A LOT. But I think conceptually the casino smoking bans might be wrong. Every potential job seeker knows there is smoking in the casino. Unless they’ve been living under a rock they are aware that second hand smoke has health concerns. There is no requirement that anyone works in a casino with second hand smoke. Working midnight shift is bad for your health. Drinking sugared soda is bad for your health. Being a cop is bad for your health.


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While obviously true you don’t think it’s overly idealistic to not have any base safety related requirements of employers?. Are you suggesting it’s a good idea to get rid of all OSHA laws?

Sometimes people have got themselves into a position where their only options at the time are less than optimal, like do something bad for your health or collect from the government. I’m a pessimist but I think well over 90% of employment decisions the general population makes could be described as lesser of two evils or only non optimal choices available.
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Someone suggested getting rid of all OSHA laws? When?

Hate to break it to you, but all jobs have some type of risk. Life has risks. Life can be "lesser of 2 evils."

Like when the virus was hitting. Some people thought we should all hide at home. Others of us knew we had to go on with life.

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I hate smoking. A LOT. But I think conceptually the casino smoking bans might be wrong. Every potential job seeker knows there is smoking in the casino. Unless they’ve been living under a rock they are aware that second hand smoke has health concerns. There is no requirement that anyone works in a casino with second hand smoke. Working midnight shift is bad for your health. Drinking sugared soda is bad for your health. Being a cop is bad for your health.


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While obviously true you don’t think it’s overly idealistic to not have any base safety related requirements of employers?. Are you suggesting it’s a good idea to get rid of all OSHA laws?

Sometimes people have got themselves into a position where their only options at the time are less than optimal, like do something bad for your health or collect from the government. I’m a pessimist but I think well over 90% of employment decisions the general population makes could be described as lesser of two evils or only non optimal choices available.
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I generally agree with you. But I think casinos are actually an exception. I think other than ‘cigar bars’ there aren’t other public places that you can smoke in legally here in New York State.

Should the cleaning person who chooses to work in a ‘cigar bar’ expect to work in a smoke free environment? I think you would need to eliminate cigar bars totally if you had that OSHA guarantee of a smoke free environment. Trust me, there are A LOT of gamblers who consider smoking and drinking INTEGRAL to casino gambling.

Now my practical honest self. BAN SMOKING EVERYWHERE!

I checked out Trip Advisor for the Turning Stone casino awhile back and there were a lot of complaints about the ventilation being bad and the smell of smoke everywhere in the casino and being considered a generally unhealthy place to visit. I was there in the early 2000's so all these complaints post-dated my visits there. I remember a craps table said "No Smoking", but some mafia dude lit a ciggie up right next to me anyway. Over the years that smoke adds up and visitors got real tired of it.

My local casino which was built more recently has a separate section for smoking. It looks like it's indoors and has slot machines but it's really outdoors and they have fireplaces & heating vents to help keep people warm. So all that smoke can blow away to the outside world. So we get the new breed of broke weed dealers hanging out there trying to score $30 and smoking up out there. The couches they put out there for lounging are so low to the ground, I can't even get out of them, so I'm giving up ever sitting on them again. But sitting next to the fireside on a chilly night feels right.

It’s pretty short sighted imo for the long term, they’re creating an environment where casinos are generally considered gross by vast majority of a generation. Far fewer young people smoke cigs or cigars than those age 40-60.

Perhaps that changes in time for enough of to have interest, but more likely a factor in the decline of live gaming and increasing online gaming. If there were a material decline in say a decade+ a possible unintended consequence imo would be a near collapse of money/interest in horse racing.

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I hate smoking. A LOT. But I think conceptually the casino smoking bans might be wrong. Every potential job seeker knows there is smoking in the casino. Unless they’ve been living under a rock they are aware that second hand smoke has health concerns. There is no requirement that anyone works in a casino with second hand smoke. Working midnight shift is bad for your health. Drinking sugared soda is bad for your health. Being a cop is bad for your health.

Above being said, I’m selfish enough that I would be extremely happy if my local casino had smoking banned……
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Curiosity - how happy would you be?
Happy enough to relocate?

(The last dozen or so casinos (or "casinos") I've visited have been entirely non-smoking, although I think one does have an indoor, non-gaming smoking lounge with separate ventilation.)

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I hate smoking. A LOT. But I think conceptually the casino smoking bans might be wrong. Every potential job seeker knows there is smoking in the casino. Unless they’ve been living under a rock they are aware that second hand smoke has health concerns. There is no requirement that anyone works in a casino with second hand smoke. Working midnight shift is bad for your health. Drinking sugared soda is bad for your health. Being a cop is bad for your health.

Above being said, I’m selfish enough that I would be extremely happy if my local casino had smoking banned……
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Curiosity - how happy would you be?
Happy enough to relocate?

(The last dozen or so casinos (or "casinos") I've visited have been entirely non-smoking, although I think one does have an indoor, non-gaming smoking lounge with separate ventilation.)
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Until this past year I likely only went to my local casino maybe 4 times a year? So it certainly never would even be in the top reasons I’d relocate or not relocate. I do have access to non smoking casinos across the border…. An extra 5 minute drive. The fear of being stuck in a line at the border makes me tend to stay in the USA.

If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.

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If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.

Come on down! It is supposed to be a beautiful 82 degrees here today.

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I hate smoking. A LOT. But I think conceptually the casino smoking bans might be wrong. Every potential job seeker knows there is smoking in the casino. Unless they’ve been living under a rock they are aware that second hand smoke has health concerns. There is no requirement that anyone works in a casino with second hand smoke. Working midnight shift is bad for your health. Drinking sugared soda is bad for your health. Being a cop is bad for your health.

Above being said, I’m selfish enough that I would be extremely happy if my local casino had smoking banned……
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Curiosity - how happy would you be?
Happy enough to relocate?

(The last dozen or so casinos (or "casinos") I've visited have been entirely non-smoking, although I think one does have an indoor, non-gaming smoking lounge with separate ventilation.)
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Until this past year I likely only went to my local casino maybe 4 times a year? So it certainly never would even be in the top reasons I’d relocate or not relocate. I do have access to non smoking casinos across the border…. An extra 5 minute drive. The fear of being stuck in a line at the border makes me tend to stay in the USA.

If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.
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Odious border crossings are the pits. I cannot fault your aversion.

I find that things are generally too warm for my taste south of I-40. People are generally OK however (I find it helpful to speak deliberately and say "ma'am" a lot, playing up being a polite traveller from afar), and it's hard to get a decent biscuit or pimiento cheese north of that line.

Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

I've been crossing into Mexico more often than I had been. Walking across is no problem, but bringing in your car can result in long waits to leave. For reasons beyond my understanding, the border crossing in Douglas always has an hour-plus wait to re-enter, but Naco is fifteen minutes away and the wait is rarely more than twenty minutes.

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If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.
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It's not unknown for Florida residents to have 2 homes. One in a more northern state. My parents kind of did that. But they moved to rented trailer in a forest in Pennslyvania for their second home usage during retirement for certain months.

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If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.

Come on down! It is supposed to be a beautiful 82 degrees here today.
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You know I want to! I do remember eating on those indoor/outdoor restaurants on Siesta Key that allowed smoking. It was weird seeing an ash tray….

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If I relocate it will because of weather. Wifey wants it warm and I want to golf in the winter.

Come on down! It is supposed to be a beautiful 82 degrees here today.
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You know I want to! I do remember eating on those indoor/outdoor restaurants on Siesta Key that allowed smoking. It was weird seeing an ash tray….
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The last time I was in Missouri I went to a Waffle House and they still had indoor smoking, It was strange. I half expected the waitresses at Waffle House to be smoking while serving.