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RogerKint
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:44:01 AM permalink
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Scientists find cancer in million-year-old fossil so I don't think you can attribute its existence to DU or any other man-made cause.


I'm not saying that all cancer is caused by man-made causes. Something killed the dinosaurs, it might have been a mass extinction because of a virus or a meteor, or perhaps they were exposed to some form of cancer-causing radiation that has the same affect. In my playlist I mentioned that the Earth is resilient to exposure and that includes cancer... the delicate mechanisms (that I mimic as automatons) already have safeguards built-in for cancers caused by radiation and toxic exposure.

This is a different story... when Uranium is vaporized it creates billions of tiny particles, far more than could occur naturally. The dust spreads around everywhere and lasts for BILLIONS of years, and it cannot be cleaned-up nor disposed of. The Earth has never been exposed to this kind of fallout, because, from what I understand, it is the close and sustained direct contact with these particles that causes the surrounding tissues to become cancerous. That rarely happens with "normal" size particles, in fact, that was the excuse used when the weapons were scrutinized for how inhumane they would be:

The most important video in the playlist is #15 of 24 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2GTP1pe2c4&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxvWU9g0TOcmi_VjPrRA_Ni&index=15
3:05

The built-in safeguards (blessed to us over the millions of years of evolution) of these mechanisms have their limits. These clowns are exceeding these limits, as scientifically proven by the astounding birth defect accelerations observed; they're playing with fire, and they're burning down our own house.



Relaaaaaaaxxxxx if all the above were truly a problem MathExtremist would just write a program to solve it.
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discflicker
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November 3rd, 2016 at 11:44:19 AM permalink
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Relaaaaaaaxxxxx if all the above were truly a problem MathExtremist would just write a program to solve it.



oh really? Well, there goes the future of Syria; that nut-job John Kerry just announced 4,000 pounds of D.U. were used in Syria:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-admits-use-depleted-uranium-syria/221988/

This was announced YESTERDAY!

MathEX can write a new T.O.E. for the Universe, it would have to run for 13.7 billion virtual years to catch-up from the big-bang to 1980 (the pre-D.U. state), but the half-life of the aerosolized Uranium dust drifting around Syria is 4.5 billion years. Think about that... over the lifetime of the Universe, the dust in Syria will STILL contain a sizable amount of D.U. and it will still be toxic, even then. MathEX should agree, this is a natural log problem, but realistically...

Doesn't anyone feel the urgent need to at least discuss the matter? In my playlist, I'm accusing these psychos of making a parking lot out of the middle-east. I even said they were using it in Syria. LOOK AT THE PHOTO OF KERRY TELL ME HE'S NOT INSANE!! This is a war crime of the highest magnitude... who are we to decide to use radioactive weaponry anywhere at all? And on a country were not at war with? Are we gonna buy that line of "Assad is so bad" again, like we did with Saddam? Are they saying this was a NATO decision, not really USA? OMG, this is so terrible. Relaaaxxx??
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
MathExtremist
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November 3rd, 2016 at 1:52:00 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Relaaaaaaaxxxxx if all the above were truly a problem MathExtremist would just write a program to solve it.

I told my buddy Elon Musk to get working on it. His solution is to leave:
Quote: Jolene Creighton on Elon Musk's Mars Program

...assuming that humanity plans on sticking around for awhile, it is almost inevitable that we will have to face a large asteroid at some point. Of course, asteroids aren’t the only threat. There are a host of deadly diseases, volcanic eruptions, or other catastrophes that could bring about the end of civilization as we know it (and maybe even all life).

This is why it makes sense to transition into a multi-planet species as soon as possible. Blogger Tim Urban recently had a rather apt metaphor to illustrate why we need to leave our planet and venture out into the cosmos: Picture the Earth as a kind of hard drive. And on this hard drive we have saved everything. Every song. Every book. Every thought that has been thought and every word that has been uttered. Every memory.

And that’s not all: It also houses every single species. All of it is stored in a word document saved on that hard drive.

Oh, and the hard drive has broken before, and when it happened, we lost nearly everything. It got a virus and…that’s it, two-thirds of the population gone. It smashed into something and, alas, there goes another batch of data.

Blank pages. File corrupted.

So it makes sense to make a backup. As Urban puts it, “Now—if you owned a hard drive with an extraordinarily important Excel doc on it, and you knew that the hard drive pretty reliably tended to crash every month or two, with the last crash happening five weeks ago—what’s the very obvious thing you’d do? You’d copy the document onto a second hard drive.”

That is why we need to leave Earth. We need to have another plan. A safeguard.

Of course, we should also do it for exploration and discovery, but we need to do it for life itself.


http://futurism.com/elon-musk-we-must-leave-earth-for-one-critical-reason/
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Dalex64
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November 3rd, 2016 at 1:53:52 PM permalink
Yeah, but how dangerous is it really?

The amount of radioactive material in DU is something like 60% of the radioactive material in natural uranium.

The amount of radioactive material in natural uranium is 0.72% (less than 1%)

I couldn't find figures on the number of deaths annually which are attributable to cancer caused by depleted uranium.

If we had those numbers, we could compare them to the 480,000 deaths caused annually by smoking in the United States. 127,700 of those deaths are from lung cancer.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/
discflicker
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November 3rd, 2016 at 4:32:10 PM permalink
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Yeah, but how dangerous is it really?

The amount of radioactive material in DU is something like 60% of the radioactive material in natural uranium.

The amount of radioactive material in natural uranium is 0.72% (less than 1%)

I couldn't find figures on the number of deaths annually which are attributable to cancer caused by depleted uranium.

If we had those numbers, we could compare them to the 480,000 deaths caused annually by smoking in the United States. 127,700 of those deaths are from lung cancer.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/



Well now I'm starting to get a bit peeved. MathEX, let's try to keep it real, this is a serious issue. Like I said above, this is not a typical situation... the dust permeates into human tissue and remains there forever. The toxicity comes from the long sustained direct contact, so its not so much a radiation issue as it is a toxic metals issue. But the results are similar... CANCER, sickness, permanent genetic damage, and death.

I understand that the background radiation levels in certain parts of Iraq are 1000 times normal. The studies done this far equate the amount of radiation to ground-zero in Hiroshima!! Does it have to exceed the destruction caused by cigarettes before we take it as a serious issue? Has anyone considered long-term damage done to the gene pool? We have no idea what mother nature will do in the next few hundred years... maybe she'll try to cut her losses by eliminating the sick; cutting off a finger to save a hand, as the Kung-Fu dude depicted.

But wait, this stuff is already off the table... it has already been deemed a war crime to use, so WHY ARE WE STILL USING IT, TO THIS DAY??? I can't believe what's happening! America is engaged in GENOCIDE that's what's going on here. This needs to stop. What interests do we have in Syria, anyway? Why are we there at all??

What would happen if Russia admittedly supplied DU to a country that then used it on our country? We would immediately attack Russia, no questions asked. So why do we get away with it? Everyone is focused on the election, in the meanwhile, our government has gone rouge, attacking sovereign nations one after another.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 5:42:54 PM permalink
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Well now I'm starting to get a bit peeved. MathEX, let's try to keep it real, this is a serious issue. Like I said above, this is not a typical situation... the dust permeates into human tissue and remains there forever. The toxicity comes from the long sustained direct contact, so its not so much a radiation issue as it is a toxic metals issue. But the results are similar... CANCER, sickness, permanent genetic damage, and death.



If it is being used in Syria its got a gadzillion miles to go before it reaches any human tissue.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 6:01:27 PM permalink
Firstly* we must eradicate this insidious menace to humanity:

Dihydrogen Monoxide



*Then we can get cracking to stop the plot to enslave the world by poisoning our precious bodily fluids through flouridated ebola chemtrails.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 8:13:36 PM permalink
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I told my buddy Elon Musk to get working on it. His solution is to leave:



White flight. Typical ;)
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November 3rd, 2016 at 9:14:11 PM permalink
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If it is being used in Syria its got a gadzillion miles to go before it reaches any human tissue.



So, if they're not human, it's not genocide, it just animal extermination? If you're implying that the people of Syria are not human, well, then are you actually condoning our use of D.U. there? I would be cautious, making such a statement. I don't want this to turn into a racial or religious issue, its more of an awareness and recognition thing. There are a lot of Christians in Syria, and its a progressive modern country with a rich history. And who are we to decide to pollute it for the next 4 billion years, anyway?

Question: how would you like to have to care for your child afflicted with birth defects caused by foreign invaders using radioactive weaponry? Think you might want to seek revenge upon the bastards that caused it? That's what WE, the USA are doing right now as we speak. And here is an insane looking John Kerry thumbing it in the face of the world, just yesterday.

How should Russia respond to this?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
discflicker
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November 3rd, 2016 at 9:40:28 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

White flight. Typical ;)



We can dream about leaving the planet, incorporate A.I. into our brain circuitry, or plug our minds into a V.R., and maybe one day cure the common cold.

Obviously, people know that bad things are happening, and they're coming up with all of these ways to just say the heck with it, let it be, and we'll skip out of it some way.

That's seems all fine and well as we sit in our comfortable homes in front of our comfortable monitors, but there IS a real world out there.

As a top priority, we should focus on ways to stop the deployment of D.U. Its just wrong.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.

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