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Zcore13
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January 8th, 2018 at 2:14:29 AM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

This is pretty much it. And "encourage" is used loosely. It's more like "You WILL push the side bets."



This is completely false. I've worked at 2 casinos and know Directors at about 6 others. None have ever told dealers to push side bets.

In general, the reason a dealers will ask is:

1. They need to know if you want smaller chips when buying in.
2. They do have a better chance of a better tip on a large win.
3. Many people don't know all the different side bets available and is part of their job to explain them.


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January 8th, 2018 at 2:44:56 AM permalink
When I dealt, I was never told anything like "You will push players to play the side bet(s)". It's more like, "If someone's been making side bets and suddenly they aren't betting it, remind them they don't have money on it or ask if they'd like to bet it, since they probably forgot....and we don't wanna get free-rolled, ie: 'I always bet that, I just forgot!' "

The closest to that is dealing craps, announcing all the center bets before a come-out roll and hard-ways after a point is established. I was never told to push these bets and try to get people to bet them. I was only ever told to announce the bets to remind players to get them in (since many players like to do C&E, horn, world, etc. on the come out rolls....and hardways after point is established). If there was a boxman and someone asked what one of the center bets was, the box would always describe the bet like, "the hard 6 is betting that you'll roll a 3-3 before a 7 or an easy six, like 1-5 or 2-4. dollar minimum, if you want to try it".



I don't think there's a problem with dealers asking players if they want to bet the side bet, or introducing it to players, since many players (for whatever reason) enjoy betting the side bets. It's just annoying as hell when they keep pushing it. But I'd say it's most likely they push these bets mostly because they actually do think they're a good bet or that's "how you win".


And if you really think about it, even though the HE is awful on side bets, they do have much more win potential than the main bet. In 3CP, betting $5 units, are either going to be -5, -10, +5, or +10. Sometimes you'll get a straight, straight flush, or three of a kind, and win an extra $5 or $20 or so. But given the low variance of the game, you're pretty much just getting ground down, slowly but surely. Whereas, if you're playing the side bet, you can win something like $150. Of course, side bets are still awful, but there is some merit to the thought process of, "That's how you win."
FleaStiff
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January 8th, 2018 at 4:14:55 AM permalink
Came easy, bet it hard. Came hard, bet it hard.
Doesn't take long, brings in a few bucks.
Keeps the dealers in shoe leather.
Explaining the bet to a new player is fine. Its a constant tattoo of more adventuresome betting. After a few trips by the Tray Lizard the resistance to such bets decreases. If the new player is an attractive female, a little chit chat about those center bets is just fine and dandy.

Bigot? The Casino is bigoted about being there to make money.
Deucekies
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January 10th, 2018 at 8:55:47 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

This is completely false. I've worked at 2 casinos and know Directors at about 6 others. None have ever told dealers to push side bets.



I can only speak for where I work. We are told that not pushing the bonus is not an option.
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January 10th, 2018 at 9:41:24 PM permalink
I'm about 99.54% sure that when dealers push the side bets they are told to do so. 3-2 blackjack is simply not profitable for small bets. A side bet can make more revenue than the base game easily.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
ontariodealer
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January 10th, 2018 at 11:30:24 PM permalink
trust me, 95% of the dealers are clueless as to which is the better bet.
get second you pig
DRich
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January 11th, 2018 at 7:19:58 AM permalink
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Romes
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January 11th, 2018 at 9:49:28 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm about 99.54% sure that when dealers push the side bets they are told to do so. 3-2 blackjack is simply not profitable for small bets. A side bet can make more revenue than the base game easily.

Quote: ontariodealer

trust me, 95% of the dealers are clueless as to which is the better bet.

Yeah, the amount of dealers that have sworn up and down at me that the Trips bet in UTH and the Pair Plus bet in 3cp is WHERE THE MONEY IS AT. The conviction and passion they always swear on me has me believing they truly believe they're great bets, probably because they go on auto-pilot but have to break out of that when they have a big payout from these bets numerous times per day. 6 players at the table, even a hand that takes 1/600 to hit will hit ever 100 hands so they think the bets are better than they really are because they're not considering the 6x number of hands they're seeing.

I once tried out Zap It Blackjack just because I'd never played it. Well, every single time the dealer had any kind of a bust card and I had a great zap hand, like hard 16, the dealer would role his eyes and this woman to my right would berate me profusely. I'm not a shy person, plus I was just playing the game for fun, so I leaned back a little and said "why the hell wouldn't I give myself a chance to make a good hand, because after all he still can bust even if I don't....?" she laughed and told me "Yeah, I deal this game at X casino down the road.. I must not know how it works, right?!?!?!" Dealers are the worst, as the mass majority of them have zero clue about the games they deal.
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January 11th, 2018 at 10:13:29 AM permalink
It's actually more shocking when a dealer actually does know which are good or bad bets,and or correct strategy.
Last month a dealer who seemed like she was totally ghetto,corrected a player on bj about the differences in strategy when you hit or stand on s17.
She said she likes to play so she decided to learn the strategy.
So the old axiom you can't judge a book by it's cover was definitely true.
Don't teach an alligator how to swim.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 11th, 2018 at 10:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

It's actually more shocking when a dealer actually does know which are good or bad bets,and or correct strategy.
Last month a dealer who seemed like she was totally ghetto,corrected a player on bj about the differences in strategy when you hit or stand on s17.
She said she likes to play so she decided to learn the strategy.
So the old axiom you can't judge a book by it's cover was definitely true.


"Marty" at MotorCity is the opposite. He plays a lot at MGM so should know better, but I believe he's from the John Patrick school of blackjack!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!

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