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michael99000
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January 1st, 2018 at 1:24:50 PM permalink
I play Let it Ride at $25 each spot. I love when the dealer tells me Iím crazy for not playing the $1 progressive cause ďwhat if u get the royal?Ē.. ok moron you have a $50,000 max payout per hand , if I leave my last two bets riding then thatís my $50k right there , and with four to a royal after the first dealer card is flipped you know Iím letting it ride. So the progressive Bet Iíd be only getting my true payout on the smaller hands which raises the house edge even higher

Incidentally Iíve asked several pit managers about this and some have told me the progressive payout is separate and doesnít count toward the table max payout. Others have said the opposite. No one seems to know.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 1st, 2018 at 1:33:09 PM permalink
I'd vote for the two options on top.
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RS
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January 1st, 2018 at 1:39:20 PM permalink
Many dealers are just completely retarded. I used to be a dealer and from time to time, other dealers would be saying how only stupid players don't play the side bets in 3cp, UTH, etc. I pretended not to know how those games worked (since I didn't deal them, lucky me) and why players should play them? They pretty much just said because that's where the money's at and that's how you win. There's actually probably a pretty good chance many dealers can't figure out they should be pushing the side bets because they'd (potentially) get tipped more on big hands. Logically, that makes sense, but many dealers have a bit of a disconnect and don't really put 2 and 2 together.
Deucekies
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January 1st, 2018 at 2:13:24 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I play Let it Ride at $25 each spot. I love when the dealer tells me Iím crazy for not playing the $1 progressive cause ďwhat if u get the royal?Ē.. ok moron you have a $50,000 max payout per hand , if I leave my last two bets riding then thatís my $50k right there , and with four to a royal after the first dealer card is flipped you know Iím letting it ride. So the progressive Bet Iíd be only getting my true payout on the smaller hands which raises the house edge even higher

Incidentally Iíve asked several pit managers about this and some have told me the progressive payout is separate and doesnít count toward the table max payout. Others have said the opposite. No one seems to know.



I've never heard of a progressive counting towards an aggregate. That's 100% absurd if it is. Progressives are often in excess of the aggregate.
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FCBLComish
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January 3rd, 2018 at 4:35:23 PM permalink
Progressives do not count as part of the aggregate payout in any casino I have ever worked in/visited. I am sure that there must be a small place, somewhere, that has this ridiculous rule though.
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FatGeezus
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January 4th, 2018 at 7:14:19 AM permalink
I play table games all the time. I never play any side bets.

When the dealer says that I should play the side bet, I respond with a question.

I ask the dealer "Do you think the casino put that side bet option on the table so that I can make more money or is it there so the casino can make more money?"

They usually are stunned by my question and don't know how to answer. The honest ones say that it's there for the casinos benefit.

When another player at the table suggests that I should play the side bet, I tell them that if it's such a good bet, I will you let you put your chip on my side bet option. I have never had another player take me up on the side bet offer.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 4th, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

When another player at the table suggests that I should play the side bet, I tell them that if it's such a good bet, I will you let you put your chip on my side bet option. I have never had another player take me up on the side bet offer.


I've had plenty of players ask to bet on my side bets. And in actuality, if the casino allows it, I will too. You usually get tipped when the player wins on them.

A better question to ask them is this:

"If it's such a good bet, why aren't you betting TABLE MAX on it???"
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WatchMeWin
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January 4th, 2018 at 7:39:20 AM permalink
It is a combination of management training them to push the side bet and dealers hoping for additional tips if they hit... and quite possibly management is brainwashing dealers with the philosophy that they are pushing the bets for the benefit of dealers getting more tips.. haha

I love when dealers that dont know me try to peddle the fire bet. They say ' dont forget your fire bet sir' and I reply 'no thanks'. Then they say ' are you sure? you can win 1000-1' . I reply 'no thanks'. Then some will continue and say 'come on, its only 5 bucks , you should really do it'. I stop them before they finish their sentence and say 'no thanks'... and I wait a second, and I then say... 'well, wait a minute, how does the fire bet work? Please explain it to me'. I act very interested. I ask all of the right questions. I then say 'no thanks'.
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Yelruh
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January 7th, 2018 at 10:34:35 AM permalink
I think there are a number of reasons for it.

1) they want the tips that come from a "big" side bet win.
2) they don't like getting yelled at by players because "you didn't remind me to bet the side bet" (just like a craps dealer looking at someone and saying "you coming back on your hard way?")
3) the bosses encourage them to do so.
4) some are dumb, and don't understand the math.


As a side note - do table games get mystery shopped, like most retail stores?
Deucekies
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January 8th, 2018 at 1:51:08 AM permalink
Quote: Yelruh


3) the bosses encourage them to do so.



This is pretty much it. And "encourage" is used loosely. It's more like "You WILL push the side bets."
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