Cocktaildoll
This chick's attitude is EXACTLY why I don't tip more often. She has this entitlement attitude. How dare a customer only tip a dollar if they order a jack and coke and a water. You want ice, yep...that is extra. If you tip her less than $1.00 she just may forget your drink. She should be fired. Your job is to provide customer service regardless, tipping is for excellent service when the customer feels you have earned it.
MOVE IT TO THE DEALER TIPPING THREAD ,FFS.Quote: VCUSkyhawkSo I am an avid reader on this forum, however I just recently started checking out other things on this site. Tonight, under the links section I went to the Cocktaildoll page. Now I am not sure if this belongs under the current running tip rant thread, if so admins feel free to move it.
This chick's attitude is EXACTLY why I don't tip more often. She has this entitlement attitude. How dare a customer only tip a dollar if they order a jack and coke and a water. You want ice, yep...that is extra. If you tip her less than $1.00 she just may forget your drink. She should be fired. Your job is to provide customer service regardless, tipping is for excellent service when the customer feels you have earned it.
In Vegas, I skipped two tips that I can remember (of a few hundred). One was at NYNY, when I personally watched her talk to a "friend" for 10 minutes while I couldn't hit crap at video poker. I also watched others still tip her after that before I grabbed my beer off her tray saying the machine "broke me". And the other time was at Cosmo when she clearly forgot my order, said she would get it "right away", but instead took another normal cycle that almost took 30 minutes.
Vegas Strip service is generally bad enough is that I usually just go to a bar instead, plan like I play video poker for max credits, but eventually will go down to 1 credit to lose less money. In the next few days, I'm probably going to put a thread on Vegas Message Board for "best bartop games" for people that appreciate that sort of thing.
Quote: djatcI don't tip more then $1 per drink, no matter what I get. This also means I leave a $1 for a bottle water when I see countless people not tip for that.
Yeah, a lot of people don't tip when they just ask for water. I feel like a bit of an ass when I tip $1 for a beer and water. I don't order that too often. If I would just order a water (rarely), I still would tip $1.
gals have been there since the 80's and they
come around every 5min, even if you're just
watching a game. They make the tips, too.
We like good service and will pay for it.
Stupid though the tables get good service and the machine players pay for it all getting ignored.
Some of the women I've known for so long I only order sometimes out of sympathy because it's become a very hard living for them. Most of them want to quit I think.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkSo I am an avid reader on this forum, however I just recently started checking out other things on this site. Tonight, under the links section I went to the Cocktaildoll page. Now I am not sure if this belongs under the current running tip rant thread, if so admins feel free to move it.
This chick's attitude is EXACTLY why I don't tip more often. She has this entitlement attitude. How dare a customer only tip a dollar if they order a jack and coke and a water. You want ice, yep...that is extra. If you tip her less than $1.00 she just may forget your drink. She should be fired. Your job is to provide customer service regardless, tipping is for excellent service when the customer feels you have earned it.
There is a fairly lengthy thread on this woman that was started here when she gave her radio interview a couple of years ago. In that thread is a link to a two part video that she and a cohort made on tipping. Search for it if you wish. I'm not going to because I was disgusted enough the first time I saw it.
Quote: DJTeddyBearBabs -
I suspect that the 'clod' was actually a cooler.
Doubtful. The Rio has hired these guys and gals to take the orders, and the cocktail waitresses still deliver the drinks. You are not allowed to tip the Ipad folk, so they don't have the same incentive to provide the service that a tip dependant person does. They are probably told to ask everyone at the table, and I'm guessing they get in trouble if someone complains they were ignored.... When I complained that I wanted to tip the last one, I believe (memory sometimes fades) that the last one I saw told me they get a flat $15 an hour.
Quote: 1BBIt'll get hijacked soon enough.
Lol...looks like Axel thought better of what he said, but he's right. I'm splitting this discussion off from cocktaildoll, though it's closely related to what the OP said. I'll edit this thread to direct you when it's done.
Discussion of being left alone while gambling moved here.
Quote: onenickelmiracle
Some of the women I've known for so long I only order sometimes out of sympathy because it's become a very hard living for them. Most of them want to quit I think.
Everyone wants to quit their job. I want to sit on the couch and watch TV all day but it doesn't pay.
Yikes! No one has ever accused me of being politically correct but even I wouldn't go there. In public no less and on the record. The only hosts were Bob and the Wizard so you'll have to listen for yourselves to see who it was. Oh, you want a hint? Okay, I don't care what Bob says.
Example: One book on Vegas gave instructions for Keno thus: You take this slip and this crayon, mark it up and give it to the Tits.
Now of course this was some time ago since most Keno is now Video Keno and there are no Keno Runners anymore skimpering around in low cut outfits getting someones bet down in time for the next game.
Prettier girls are usually rather mean and vindictive because they get away with it, but men still play poker as if they were going to be in the woman's bed that night giving her tips on how to play poker as "intermission pillow talk".
So it goes both ways. Women know to get a man talking about himself (which means talking about his work). They don't really need to hack his computer but they will do it anyway. The man meanwhile is still thinking Bimbo.
When Craps was the big game in town Benny Binion had applicants for cocktail waitresses bend down and place a beverage on a crap table's ledge, then look up at the mirror above them. That was the view men would be getting.
Alot of women don't even listen to men, they just smile and take their money. Its a two way street Women want men to be young and handsome and above all else, rich.
That's the trouble. If they do a good job, fifteen an hour. If they are insensitive to repeated requests to leave one player alone, ... fifteen an hour. Drones. No reward if they do a good job. No incentive to listen to some special request. Just a Drone. And yes, that probably is as close to a "cooler" as the casinos have these days.Quote: SOOPOOWhen I complained that I wanted to tip the last one, I believe (memory sometimes fades) that the last one I saw told me they get a flat $15 an hour.
I think she's missing a bet by not hooking up with some marketing opportunities, like themed shirts, souvenir clocks and stuff, maybe some bobble-head Dolls, etc. EDIT: Or a "Cocktail Doll - Welcomes you to Las Vegas" piggy bank, that's the ticket!
Same with "Mean Poker Dealer." [WARNING: Definitely NOT safe for work, maybe not even home, and this link might possibly even get me in some kind of trouble on this site.] https://twitter.com/MeanPokerDealer But I do get the feeling that if Mr. M.P. Dealer and Ms. C. Doll ever got together they'd have a lot to talk about. Mostly about how much they are annoyed by you, and me. One of the tamer examples so you can decide if you want to go there:
Quote: Mean Poker Dealer @MeanPokerDealer · Aug 12
Player:"This dealer sucks."
Me:"Your mom is a wh@r#."
Player:"Excuse me?!"
Me:"I said "Please post your small blind, sir."
Player:"Oh..."
Quote: AxelWolfMOVE IT TO THE DEALER TIPPING THREAD ,FFS.
I wonder two things:
1. Why Axel thinks a thread dealing with tipping cocktail waitresses should be moved to "the" (?) dealer tipping thread.
2. Why this thread being in the "wrong" place bothers Axel so much.
How many of you have given an extra tip because of looks only?
Quote: djatcThe answer is because of Nazi zombies.
How many of you have given an extra tip because of looks only?
I never overtip the hot ones. I figure they get plenty and I figure the chances of them wanting to have sex with me because I gave them an extra dollar are rather small.
The pregnant ones must make even more. I will sometimes overtip them, even though I know they probably make $800 a shift.
A woman at Mirage has worked photos of her kids into her tray. That's smart. I admire the cleverness. I like to imagine she has no kids and got the photos out of a picture frame from K-Mart.
Quote: WizardCocktail Doll is the BEST and deserving of a red chip tip any day. She made for a memorable guest on my radio show.
If you have to pay a 5 + dollar tip for a drink what's the point of getting "free" drinks? For 5-10 you can just buy almost any drink they will give for free anyway and probably a larger/stronger quanity. Im all for being genrous, but, I think 1 dollar per drink is pretty fair.
Perhaps. You ever see a casino dealer or cocktail waitress too broke to get her trailer's plumbing fixed and forced to say goodbye to her kids as the cops carry them off. I have. Its not fun.Quote: RigondeauxA woman at Mirage has worked photos of her kids into her tray. That's smart. I admire the cleverness. I like to imagine she has no kids and got the photos out of a picture frame from K-Mart.
The goal of gambling is not to tip the waitress or the dealer. its to win. Unfortunately, the casino thinks its fun for it to win also. Yet sometimes we, the players, get a bit lucky: we enjoy the music, the helpful dealer, the speedy and half naked waitress .... and we tip. Our tips get pooled so it goes to the older waitresses too. It goes to the not so friendly dealers, but it also goes to the woman with the two kids in the trailer. Should the casino be preventing that sort of stuff? Probably. Its cheaper than training a new waitress, but there are alot of social issues and neither we nor the casino are charged with solving them. Its up to us to be aware of them and act as we choose.
I generally tip for the service ... which means I don't punish the waiter if the steak is overly done, he didn't cook it. And I don't punish the dealer if I lost, she dealt the cards, she didn't stack the deck or deal me seconds.
Now if the music and general merriment and alcohol and Lady Luck combine to let me win, I tip a bit better.
Do I think CocktailDoll is clever... yes. Some photos on her blog and some comments were really funny. Is it a little too much sometimes? Sure. Heck, no player has to go to NYNY or stay there all night even if its a nice place.
Quote: FleaStiffI generally tip for the service ... which means I don't punish the waiter if the steak is overly done, he didn't cook it. And I don't punish the dealer if I lost, she dealt the cards, she didn't stack the deck or deal me seconds. .
I agree with this completely. I would never withhold tip for things they can not control. However, I refuse to tip a dealer just because they stand there and flip cards with a blank stare at me. If the dealer is actually fun and talkative, I will tip. If I tip $1 on my drink and she says nothing to me, that bothers me. I don't appreciate being made to feel a cheapskate.
The point of my original post was that I find her to be very rude and unprofessional. Now, granted this is just based on what I read that she wrote on a blog that maybe she created to just vent. Other people on here, including the Wiz, have commented that she is great. I just expect professionalism.
If I "accidentally" forgot to file some paperwork at my place of business because the company did not give me a bonus I was expecting, that would be as morally wrong as what she proposes on her site.
I wonder why, you wonder why things bother Axel so much, Bob Junior ?Quote: EaglesnestI wonder two things:
1. Why Axel thinks a thread dealing with tipping cocktail waitresses should be moved to "the" (?) dealer tipping thread.
2. Why this thread being in the "wrong" place bothers Axel so much.
Since i want you to get a good nights sleep to night ill bear what left I have in my soul.
I think there should one ONE tipping tread period. That one just seems to be the most popular one at this point. Tipping dealers tread already talks about tipping everyone from cocktail waitresses to hookers. This is just going to turn into a all out tipping rant tread, all the same things are going to be rehashed.
"Casino related tipping" should be the tittle. Your one stop shop for tipping advice and rants.
Do you think we should have separate treads for tipping about each casino employee (Just make a new website why don't we.)? That might work if someone was looking for specific employee tipping advice. Only if people would keep the tipping talk to that particular employee.
Quote: FleaStiffPerhaps. You ever see a casino dealer or cocktail waitress too broke to get her trailer's plumbing fixed and forced to say goodbye to her kids as the cops carry them off. I have. Its not fun.
How did you witness this? Were you sleeping with her? Or were you the cop?
Quote: AcesAndEightsHow did you witness this? Were you sleeping with her? Or were you the cop?
So not tipping is going to prevent dealers from paying their bills? So they all need a living wage? Why not just double their salaries, like the McDonald's workers. Who's fault is it that minimum wage workers can't pay their rent?
Quote: cocktaildoll.comIf you must stiff, for whatever reason, just do it. Don't tell me that you lost all your money, that you don't have change, that your husband has the tip and he'll be right back. Why? Because every time I bring a drink I'm hoping to make money, and if you're not going to give me a tip, the last thing I want to do is stand there and waste more time.
However, in the next paragraph, she says the following:
Quote: cocktaildoll.comIgnoring me when I bring the drink is another popular tactic. These people hear quite well when I come around offering drinks, but when I bring it, suddenly they're deaf and blind, can't hear or see me setting the drink down. I never let people get away with this one. I always bring their attention to the drink, "Here's your Bloody Mary." I'll repeat this a couple more times. If that doesn't work I'll say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you ordered a Bloody Mary," then start to walk away.
So, does she have time or not have time for "stiffs"?
Quote: aceofspadesI find her article contradictory on this point:
Quote: cocktaildoll.comIf you must stiff, for whatever reason, just do it. Don't tell me that you lost all your money, that you don't have change, that your husband has the tip and he'll be right back. Why? Because every time I bring a drink I'm hoping to make money, and if you're not going to give me a tip, the last thing I want to do is stand there and waste more time.
However, in the next paragraph, she says the following:Quote: cocktaildoll.comIgnoring me when I bring the drink is another popular tactic. These people hear quite well when I come around offering drinks, but when I bring it, suddenly they're deaf and blind, can't hear or see me setting the drink down. I never let people get away with this one. I always bring their attention to the drink, "Here's your Bloody Mary." I'll repeat this a couple more times. If that doesn't work I'll say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you ordered a Bloody Mary," then start to walk away.
So, does she have time or not have time for "stiffs"?
It's both, I'm sure. Her feet hurt, those costumes dig in, the tray is heavy, and she's working practically for free unless they're tipping well. So she's sounding off.
I cocktailed for a while here and there. My worst was, they had let close to a thousand people in on 4th of July to a bar rated to hold 300, an indoor/outdoor lakeside place with no air conditioning. They had given up on us providing service; we were just going around with bus tubs grabbing empty cans, bottles, and glasses, and people were going up to the bar for their own orders. Everybody was sopping with sweat and drunk as hell. A guy seemed to be sympathetic, said "boy, you look really hot and tired". Me, holding a nearly full tub, agreed. Him: "Here, this'll cool you off!" and threw his drink in my face.
I decked him with the tub, right across his grinning puss. Standing ovation. Amazingly, did NOT get fired.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: aceofspadesI find her article contradictory on this point:
Quote: cocktaildoll.comIf you must stiff, for whatever reason, just do it. Don't tell me that you lost all your money, that you don't have change, that your husband has the tip and he'll be right back. Why? Because every time I bring a drink I'm hoping to make money, and if you're not going to give me a tip, the last thing I want to do is stand there and waste more time.
However, in the next paragraph, she says the following:Quote: cocktaildoll.comIgnoring me when I bring the drink is another popular tactic. These people hear quite well when I come around offering drinks, but when I bring it, suddenly they're deaf and blind, can't hear or see me setting the drink down. I never let people get away with this one. I always bring their attention to the drink, "Here's your Bloody Mary." I'll repeat this a couple more times. If that doesn't work I'll say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you ordered a Bloody Mary," then start to walk away.
So, does she have time or not have time for "stiffs"?
It's both, I'm sure. Her feet hurt, those costumes dig in, the tray is heavy, and she's working practically for free unless they're tipping well. So she's sounding off.
I cocktailed for a while here and there. My worst was, they had let close to a thousand people in on 4th of July to a bar rated to hold 300, an indoor/outdoor lakeside place with no air conditioning. They had given up on us providing service; we were just going around with bus tubs grabbing empty cans, bottles, and glasses, and people were going up to the bar for their own orders. Everybody was sopping with sweat and drunk as hell. A guy seemed to be sympathetic, said "boy, you look really hot and tired". Me, holding a nearly full tub, agreed. Him: "Here, this'll cool you off!" and threw his drink in my face.
I decked him with the tub, right across his grinning puss. Standing ovation. Amazingly, did NOT get fired.
I can't believe he thought you were a boy, guys a creep glad you nailed him
I am writing to enthusiastically recommend Ms. Beachbumbabs for the position of casino floor staff trainer, director of development of security procedures, and all-around coach of front-of-house staff for your enterprise.
Sincerely,
D. Dead
Quote: petroglyphQuote: beachbumbabs"boy, you look really hot and tired". Me, holding a nearly full tub, agreed. Him: "Here, this'll cool you off!" and threw his drink in my face.
I decked him with the tub, right across his grinning puss. Standing ovation. Amazingly, did NOT get fired.
I can't believe he thought you were a boy, guys a creep glad you nailed him
Using "boy" in this context doesn't necessarily mean "boy" as in a young man. It's likely an interjection. Like "Boy, I'm tired" instead of saying "I'm really tired". Regardless, dude deserved to get decked anyway.
Quote: tringlomaneUsing "boy" in this context doesn't necessarily mean "boy" as in a young man. It's likely an interjection. Like "Boy, I'm tired" instead of saying "I'm really tired". Regardless, dude deserved to get decked anyway.
I'm sorry tring. I guess I have to quit trying to interject humor. But it is my strong suit seeing as how math isn't?
Heck it was a riot on my end, somehow I think Babs got it? I know wiz didn't, I hate to think it is only me that thinks I'm funny however that is what my wife tells me often.
The more I hang around this forum the better I realize how poor a form of communication writing is, and what an art skillful writing is.
ps Babs is so not a boy, she is a lady
I fully got it when you wrote it and found it very funny. Thanks!
Quote: petroglyphI'm sorry tring. I guess I have to quit trying to interject humor. But it is my strong suit seeing as how math isn't?
Heck it was a riot on my end, somehow I think Babs got it? I know wiz didn't, I hate to think it is only me that thinks I'm funny however that is what my wife tells me often.
The more I hang around this forum the better I realize how poor a form of communication writing is, and what an art skillful writing is.
ps Babs is so not a boy, she is a lady
I'm really bad at internet sarcasm, but I will also be one of the first to admit to that. Hearing tones of voice really helps me out on jokes like that...whoops.
