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mickeycrimm
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September 24th, 2013 at 8:44:16 AM permalink
A tax on the poor and working class disguised as a gambling game. A monument to the stupidity of the human being. Shame on the government.
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FleaStiff
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September 24th, 2013 at 8:58:35 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

A tax on the poor and working class disguised as a gambling game. A monument to the stupidity of the human being. Shame on the government.



Whoa now. We've often had "sin taxes" levied on certain activities. Sale, manufacture or transportation of alcohol and tobacco are notable examples. Taxes on playing cards a somewhat less notable example.

Its never been argued that the idle rich felt the impact of The Stamp Act on their purchases of playing cards. Sailors and other working men drinking alcohol, using tobacco and playing with the Devil's Portraits bore the brunt of the taxes.

Shame on the government for such situations as the Whiskey Rebellion were the tax was imposed on farmers who had no means to transport crops to market other than by converting the crop to alcohol. Thus taxing a necessity rather than a "sinful luxury".
FinsRule
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September 24th, 2013 at 8:58:57 AM permalink
Quote: lojo

Lottery is not gambling, as we know it.



I won $100 on a scratch ticket for my birthday! Boom!

EDIT - It was a gift, don't criticize me.
tringlomane
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September 24th, 2013 at 1:49:06 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

GTECH is a division of Spielo, who is a Video Poker and Video Keno game manufacturer in the United States. They also provide some slots, as well.

In addition to that, they also supply software, with their G2 division, specifically to BetFred...the on-line casino who was found to have rigged games that advertised a 100% payback when it was actually a fixed 96% RTP. In all fairness to Lojo, Spielo was specifically discussed on this Forum, and now finds itself on the on-line gambling Blacklist.

Anyway, Spielo provides Class II and Class III gaming devices to B&M's stateside, but I'm not sure how that is relevant, other than the fact that lottery commissions often regulate the casinos, particularly in Class II states.



Thanks for clarifying that. Likely a thread I glossed over since it reached 30 pages...tl;dr and it was "rigged" because it was a card game it looks like?
Mission146
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September 24th, 2013 at 2:40:33 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Thanks for clarifying that. Likely a thread I glossed over since it reached 30 pages...tl;dr and it was "rigged" because it was a card game it looks like?



No problem, it was rigged because the Help File said the RTP was 100%, and the game appeared a 50/50 proposition, but the game actually had a, "Fixed," RTP of 96%.

Ironically, given this thread, that's exactly what a Class II game is supposed to be, or at least can be. You could have a VP game that reflects a theoretical ER of 150%, and it makes absolutely no difference on the actual return.
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onenickelmiracle
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September 24th, 2013 at 5:26:20 PM permalink
I do not like lotteries because they are self-regulated, regressive and rip-offs.
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tringlomane
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September 24th, 2013 at 6:50:42 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146


Ironically, given this thread, that's exactly what a Class II game is supposed to be, or at least can be. You could have a VP game that reflects a theoretical ER of 150%, and it makes absolutely no difference on the actual return.



Yeah, class II is electronic bingo, so you can't have traditional video poker dealt via a 52 card deck with a class II unit. You play a game of bingo with other patrons that pushed the button near the same time you did, and the machine pays out different amounts for achieving different bingo combinations. Then the result is shown either as slot reels or poker hands. My first slot jackpot was actually a Class II slot of Texas Tea in an Alabama racino. I covered a particular pattern of 22 or so numbers in 48 or less calls and I saw 5 Texas Tea symbols on the machine. What was cool about that unit was that all the winning combinations were listed in the help screen, so if you wanted to really do the math, you could figure out the game's return. Also when I played video poker in Alabama for cheap, I would intentionally hold garbage to make the "genie" appear...lol
djatc
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September 24th, 2013 at 6:56:21 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

No problem, it was rigged because the Help File said the RTP was 100%, and the game appeared a 50/50 proposition, but the game actually had a, "Fixed," RTP of 96%.

Ironically, given this thread, that's exactly what a Class II game is supposed to be, or at least can be. You could have a VP game that reflects a theoretical ER of 150%, and it makes absolutely no difference on the actual return.



It's crazy how I played in a class II state and the paytable still had 8/5 JoB. Even more surprising is people were lined up to play it! They could make the paytables 10/6 for all we know and still hold the same if they are class II.....
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lojo
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September 24th, 2013 at 7:32:57 PM permalink
It is more than that, I will try to get back to this thread and clarify a couple of things, if not tonight, within the week. Thanks for talking about it.
tringlomane
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September 24th, 2013 at 7:36:25 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

It's crazy how I played in a class II state and the paytable still had 8/5 JoB. Even more surprising is people were lined up to play it! They could make the paytables 10/6 for all we know and still hold the same if they are class II.....



Most of the games in Alabama I played said 9/6 I think for DDB, JoB. It's pretty horrible because most casual gamblers probably assume video poker always deals from a standard poker deck unless informed otherwise.

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