terapined
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April 1st, 2013 at 1:56:12 PM permalink
I am also don't believe in dice control, just way too many variables when you really look into the physics of the whole thing. I pretty much ignore all the dice control threads. What surprises me is the amount of response these ridiculous threads get.
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Ahigh
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April 1st, 2013 at 2:02:20 PM permalink
Well I, for one, have nothing at all to gain from it being proven possible to advantage play craps.

I am just the messenger. And the messenger right now is saying, "it's all just random."

So if that's the answer you want, that's the answer I have. Why you want to suggest that it's possible and nobody wants to prove it is simply contradicting yourself. You wouldn't say anything at all if there was nothing to gain from proof.

If you want the world to view you as a fool chasing a pot of gold at the end of a virtual rainbow, you have your wish! Just be quiet. (IE: more quiet).

I've won four figures in the last 48 hours, and I feel pretty damn lucky.

Works for me!

I just thought some of the folks on the WOV wanted proof, and I learned more recently that they couldn't care less.
Zcore13
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:00:34 PM permalink
I like you Ahigh. I watched your video. You seem like a nice guy and would probably be fun to hang out with and shoot with at the Casino.

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teddys
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:06:36 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I like you Ahigh. I watched your video. You seem like a nice guy and would probably be fun to hang out with and shoot with at the Casino.

ZCore13

He is a nice guy and is fun to shoot with in the casino. I recommend anyone who goes to Vegas shoot with him at least once. I don't think you'll have any trouble convincing him to play . . . but you won't be able to outlast him.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Ahigh
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:10:22 PM permalink
I'll tell you something else, too. It's way easier to prey on dealer mistakes than controlled shooting. And the advantage is much larger too.

The whole topic of is advantage play possible was undertaken by me because it seemed like a challenging task more than anything.

But I will admit that generally speaking, if it is possible, the advantage that can be obtained is not extremely large at least as far as all the things I have observed in my years of research so far.

IE: dealer mistakes are WAY bigger. WAY WAY WAY bigger.

I mean no doubt. Just simple plain ol' mistakes that nobody will notice if you keep your mouth shut and say nothing will absolutely give you a bigger edge than any controlled shot ever.

I *NEVER* take advantage of these mistakes, just like I hadn't been taking odds, because I don't want to win and think my shot is good when something else is happening.

IE: you can easily just get lucky and win and it's means nothing when you bet max odds.

I'm sure that many people will scratch their heads on both of these topics, but if you want feedback in the rail for how you're shooting, you have got to keep everything straight!
Gabes22
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:12:19 PM permalink
I too am skeptical about dice control but the allure is huge. In blackjack all surveillance has to do to prove you are a counter is to align your bets with the count. In craps, in an individual session it is hard to prove this person is an influencer or merely a schmuck who thinks he can that got lucky
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Ahigh
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:24:21 PM permalink
A beatable game is entirely different from a non-beatable game to me.

Here is a patent that I was granted for making an arcade game beatable:

http://www.google.com/patents/EP1198273B1

Here's me playing an arcade game that I found to be very fun BECAUSE it was beatable (this photo is only a few days old!)



Maybe that helps explain a little bit. But I am fascinated by beatable games. I think beatable games are more fun than games that you can't win. And the harder they are to beat the better.

Part of what made the King of Kong movie so great wasn't just the high score, but trying to roll the score over a million .. in a way .. that's beating the game.

I have tons of more stories for why this is something that I'm passionate about, but maybe that helps you see things from my eyes.

I don't know for sure, but I doubt anyone could get ships lines all the way across the screen (or even would care to really) as quickly as I can.

But many people can do what you can see me doing above on Asteroids.

If you can beat craps, you should be able to bring down ALL THE CHIPS on the table and they have to bring more.

It's sort of like when asteroids starts slowing down to a crawl when you get so many ships, it's really quite fun to hear the extra man sound not playing at full speed.
Zcore13
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April 1st, 2013 at 3:32:50 PM permalink
I'm impressed even more now. I was an arcade junkie through the 80's. Played every arcade and home system there was for more hours than I could ever add up.

I bet I could beat you in Track and Field and Cyberball (my two favorite arcade games of all time). It's a rare day when I ever lost in those games. Pretty good at NBA Jam too.

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Boz
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April 1st, 2013 at 4:14:42 PM permalink
So we all agree to meet at "Insert Coins", have a few beers and play games that can be beat.
terapined
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April 1st, 2013 at 5:09:38 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I'll tell you something else, too. It's way easier to prey on dealer mistakes than controlled shooting. And the advantage is much larger too.

The whole topic of is advantage play possible was undertaken by me because it seemed like a challenging task more than anything.

But I will admit that generally speaking, if it is possible, the advantage that can be obtained is not extremely large at least as far as all the things I have observed in my years of research so far.

IE: dealer mistakes are WAY bigger. WAY WAY WAY bigger.

I mean no doubt. Just simple plain ol' mistakes that nobody will notice if you keep your mouth shut and say nothing will absolutely give you a bigger edge than any controlled shot ever.

I *NEVER* take advantage of these mistakes, just like I hadn't been taking odds, because I don't want to win and think my shot is good when something else is happening.

IE: you can easily just get lucky and win and it's means nothing when you bet max odds.

I'm sure that many people will scratch their heads on both of these topics, but if you want feedback in the rail for how you're shooting, you have got to keep everything straight!



Hey Ahigh
I just checked out some of your videos. I am quite impressed by your practice and research and tools analyzing your rolls. Maybe I am wrong and you can influence the result in craps. Quite interesting. Makes me wnt to go to Vegas and play some craps, and craps isn't my game.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"

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