Players giving attitude to other players.

Why do some players seem to love to give attitude tward other players? Seen this happen more often on my sessions....i do like to watch the table before deciding to jump in......i was checking out a table today ($25 min) and this guy who was loosing bad seemed to be directing his anger at anyone who made eye contact with him....the dealers were rolling their eyes at me so i know to take their hint. Happened at the mirage.

Because somehow they feel empowered to bash someone else for their own bad luck (or negative variance I suppose). It's like the bullying complex. They are upset that they lost, so they feel the need to take it out on someone else for their misfortune. I've seen it happen far more in blackjack than in anything else, as the target of the attack is usually the individual who has made an incorrect play in the eyes of the berater. Typically, they are unaware that the play could have helped them just as easily as it may have hurt them, but try telling that to someone who just had their chips scooped by the dealer. Just another way to insist that it isn't their own poor play causing them to lose money, it must be someone else's fault.

I dislike it when the other players try and be a professor and tell everyone what to do, or give the players greif if they make the "wrong" play. I want to find a low limit table with those type of players and just play everything as wrong as I can just to annoy them :)

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I dislike it when the other players try and be a professor and tell everyone what to do, or give the players greif if they make the "wrong" play.

And that's why a lot of people prefer slots; there's no wrong way to press a button. :)

Quote: tsmith

And that's why a lot of people prefer slots; there's no wrong way to press a button. :)

Well, except for not hitting max bet on a Megabucks machine...

But I would absolutely never play blackjack simply because of the other players. That's no fun to me. I mentioned that a few weekends ago when I was playing Let It Ride in Atlantic City and half the table and the dealer nodded in agreement!

It's not just losing gamblers that exhibit this behavior. One of the worst groups for this is professional golfers.

I worked for a number of years, inside the ropes, at 2 different PGA tour stops.

A tour pro has never hit a bad shot in his life, that was his fault!

The marshal failed to stop the crowd from moving.
Somebody 2 fairways over coughed.
A truck a mile away backfired.
The caddie gave him a bad yardage.
The wind shifted.
Somebody farted.

At first I used to get really irritated when the pro would bitch me out because their ball was in some crappy position, but then I realized it is their survival mechanism. In order to be confident enough to win, they have to know they are invincible. If they have a fault, then they can't be the best, therefore they won't win.
Perhaps the grumpy gambler suffers from the same affliction? They think they are the best gambler there, and the only reason they are not winning is due to someone, or something, that is in their way. Lack of brainpower for instance.

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It's not just losing gamblers that exhibit this behavior. One of the worst groups for this is professional golfers.

I worked for a number of years, inside the ropes, at 2 different PGA tour stops.

A tour pro has never hit a bad shot in his life, that was his fault!

The marshal failed to stop the crowd from moving.
Somebody 2 fairways over coughed.
A truck a mile away backfired.
The caddie gave him a bad yardage.
The wind shifted.
Somebody farted.

At first I used to get really irritated when the pro would bitch me out because their ball was in some crappy position, but then I realized it is their survival mechanism. In order to be confident enough to win, they have to know they are invincible. If they have a fault, then they can't be the best, therefore they won't win.
Perhaps the grumpy gambler suffers from the same affliction? They think they are the best gambler there, and the only reason they are not winning is due to someone, or something, that is in their way. Lack of brainpower for instance.

Sorry for the mini-thread hijack. But amateur golfers are almost as bad. It was always the lie, the divot, the wind etc etc...fault. Never the player. I routinely play public courses I hear this all day. Much like blackjack I laugh to myself. Golfers are also just as bad (if not worse) than gamblers in giving "helpful" advice.

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... Much like blackjack I laugh to myself. Golfers are also just as bad (if not worse) than gamblers in giving "helpful" advice.

LOL. I completely missed that part, but it is oh so true

Know it All's that don't even know basic strategy were out in full force Sat night at the Red Rock.

Haha! I just put up with this Saturday night! Our daughter is in from college, and we took her out to The Rustic Kitchen at Mohegan Pocono. I decided to play blackjack using my new Wizard of Odds business cards for strategy.

At third base was a woman who played erratically, at first base was a guy betting $100 and dropping $25 on the dealer match bet. I sat down at shortstop, bought in for $200 and was betting $10. I made a point of using my card, that I simply don't play often enough to memorize all the different plays.

After a shoe or so, the guy betting blacks and quarters started razzing me, asking, "What does the card say to do here?" Whether it was his hand or mine. At one point, after playing counter and winning, he said, "See? The card doesn't know what is coming up next." To which I replied, "Yeah, but nobody does. It's just arithmetic, and I trust the arithmetic."

I played four shoes and lost $50. He hit some huge dealer matches, and had some other nice draws, and was up a couple thousand. Just because the card tells you the right plays doesn't mean that is what is going to happen... but it beats losing $500 in slots.

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

I dislike it when the other players try and be a professor and tell everyone what to do, or give the players greif if they make the "wrong" play. I want to find a low limit table with those type of players and just play everything as wrong as I can just to annoy them :)

Glad to hear this coming from a dealer. Many dealers aid this mythical belief in blackjack "flow of the cards". So many idiot-players' blame is directed at the dealer. In turn, the dealer deflects it onto the guy at 3rd base who hit his 12 vs. 2 and took the dealer's "bust card". Or the 3CP dealer who says "If only this guy would have sat down one hand earlier I wouldn't have gotten this straight."

I was at the Fiesta Henderson some time back, and came across a guy at the craps table who would actually go all the way to the other side of the table to get in the face of, and actually curse at, shooters he thought did a crummy job. I was disappointed the pit didn't do anything about the guy. It appeared to me that he was way over the line of "courtesy", and close to getting into a physical altercation.

He played a Martingale on the darkside, and was constantly complaining about shooters not hitting the back wall, or taking too long. He claimed to have been with an Intelligence Agency during the Carter administration, then retired to Vegas, and stopped by every Sunday morning to have breakfast with his buddies and play craps. Man, if that's true, it's no wonder that when the Iranian hostage rescue mission went sideways, it was blamed on bad luck and equipment failure.

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Haha! I just put up with this Saturday night! Our daughter is in from college, and we took her out to The Rustic Kitchen at Mohegan Pocono. I decided to play blackjack using my new Wizard of Odds business cards for strategy.

At third base was a woman who played erratically, at first base was a guy betting $100 and dropping $25 on the dealer match bet. I sat down at shortstop, bought in for $200 and was betting $10. I made a point of using my card, that I simply don't play often enough to memorize all the different plays.

After a shoe or so, the guy betting blacks and quarters started razzing me, asking, "What does the card say to do here?" Whether it was his hand or mine. At one point, after playing counter and winning, he said, "See? The card doesn't know what is coming up next." To which I replied, "Yeah, but nobody does. It's just arithmetic, and I trust the arithmetic."

I played four shoes and lost $50. He hit some huge dealer matches, and had some other nice draws, and was up a couple thousand. Just because the card tells you the right plays doesn't mean that is what is going to happen... but it beats losing $500 in slots.

If you really want to rile him up tell him the house edge on the match bet is ten times that of the blackjack game. I don't know exactly what it is without looking it up and neither will he but it's a nice round number and probably close. Wait until he loses a few big ones.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I was at the Fiesta Henderson some time back, and came across a guy at the craps table who would actually go all the way to the other side of the table to get in the face of, and actually curse at, shooters he thought did a crummy job. I was disappointed the pit didn't do anything about the guy. It appeared to me that he was way over the line of "courtesy", and close to getting into a physical altercation.

He played a Martingale on the darkside, and was constantly complaining about shooters not hitting the back wall, or taking too long. He claimed to have been with an Intelligence Agency during the Carter administration, then retired to Vegas, and stopped by every Sunday morning to have breakfast with his buddies and play craps. Man, if that's true, it's no wonder that when the Iranian hostage rescue mission went sideways, it was blamed on bad luck and equipment failure.

Yikes, I am not an in your face type of guy. I like to play craps and have a good time, hoping to win, but knowing it probably won't happen.

But, if I had some guy come get in my face after a bad roll, I'm not sure how I would handle that.
I'd probably laugh it off the first time, or maybe even laugh at him, to extract a little revenge.
But if he did it again, I would definitely be having a conversation with the floor manager, and I would be escalating to the casino manager at the same time.
The conversation would be along the lines of, "Do you value my action? If so, make this problem stop, otherwise your competition will be getting my action, starting now."

Quote: Ayecarumba

I was at the Fiesta Henderson some time back, and came across a guy at the craps table who would actually go all the way to the other side of the table to get in the face of, and actually curse at, shooters he thought did a crummy job. I was disappointed the pit didn't do anything about the guy. It appeared to me that he was way over the line of "courtesy", and close to getting into a physical altercation.

He played a Martingale on the darkside, and was constantly complaining about shooters not hitting the back wall, or taking too long. He claimed to have been with an Intelligence Agency during the Carter administration, then retired to Vegas, and stopped by every Sunday morning to have breakfast with his buddies and play craps. Man, if that's true, it's no wonder that when the Iranian hostage rescue mission went sideways, it was blamed on bad luck and equipment failure.

Depending how far back you were, I think I know who it would have been (if you were there on swing). That floor person practically did nothing when a player threatened to go to his car to get a knife to kill me.

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Depending how far back you were, I think I know who it would have been (if you were there on swing). That floor person practically did nothing when a player threatened to go to his car to get a knife to kill me.

It's all about +EV....
If he's a black chip player that consistently bets with a 10% DISADVANTAGE, then he's worth more to the casino than you are, pure and simple.

Quote: 1BB

If you really want to rile him up tell him the house edge on the match bet is ten times that of the blackjack game. I don't know exactly what it is without looking it up and neither will he but it's a nice round number and probably close. Wait until he loses a few big ones.

Yeah. I just figured I'd keep my mouth shut and let time do the work. I didn't really mind the guy, he didn't have too much of an edge on him.

I have seen some interesting altercations between don't betters and do betters.

Typically, the altercations are the result of a don't player who doesn't have enough experience to know how dangerous it is to interact with the experienced do betters.

It's a one-way street when it comes to shit talk on the craps table.

The way I see it if you want to talk shit, any don't betters have no rights at all and the do's have all the rights.

That is just how it is. If you want to win on the don't side when others are losing, keep your mouth shut.

Not keeping it shut is just a sure fire way to get yourself into some type of trouble. If that is your goal, it's a quick path!

The end.

I find it only to be blackjack and i don't play because of who I might be playing with. I think it's because those who gamble to make money are not there for the same reason I'm there which is to have fun, and BJ is the game where some feel they should make money. They are serious and want to believe they can beat the system, if everything goes right. Hence you take a bad hit, and change what should be, you are the bad guy in their mind. It's why I stick to UTH or some other poker type game where everyone is there to have fun. I don't play with people who can't afford to lose, and you find them at BJ and at poker.

Poker, lol. I was playing Sat nite, $2/4 limit, and with a pair of 4s on the flop(J 4 offsuit in my hand) I called for 2 bucks. On the river I caught a J and beat his aces (on the flop) with 2 pair. For the rest of the night every time I put money in the pot he asked if I'm doing that with J4offsuit, trying to imply I don't know how to play poker. It was a friggin' 2 dollar game, I stick around with just about anything. If this guy wanted serious poker players he should have been in a big money game. Just like the black chipper at the $5 table getting pissed at the tipsy lady who hit 13 when the dealer had 16. He should be playing at a higher table. Regardless when I left the table I told him I was up $90 and asked him how much he was DOWN with all his expertise. I thought he was going to get up and hit me, but I left swiftly knowing I left him on tilt.

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It's a one-way street when it comes to shit talk on the craps table.
The way I see it if you want to talk shit, any don't betters have no rights at all and the do's have all the rights.
That is just how it is. If you want to win on the don't side when others are losing, keep your mouth shut.
Not keeping it shut is just a sure fire way to get yourself into some type of trouble. If that is your goal, it's a quick path!
The end.

Ain't that the truth!
I don't stick to one playing style...and a few weeks ago, I walked up to the crap table, but it was PACKED...and I didn't want to crowd, so I kinda hung back...a few moments later, the players noticed me and said "Ohh, we can make room for ya, come on in!"
So I jumped in, tossed my $1000 down with my card, got my cheques and put $10 on the DP...IMMEDIATELY the guy next to me says "Ohh man, fuck this, I'm outta here, I'm not going to sit here and play with someone betting against the table."
I mean he was LITERALLY mad at me, lol...and a moment sooner, he was part of the guys who were welcoming me in! hahaha
Apparently people don't realize they're playing against the HOUSE, not other players.

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I've played a few times with a guy who is convinced the stick person controls the dice. If the dice are rolling bad, he blames the stick person.

I've seen him switch to another pit because "we've had four people in a row seven out since he went on stick".

I've seen this guy hit two points in a roll ONCE, and I've seen him shoot at least fifty times, if not more. He is a PSO machine.

I'm not sure what the stickperson has to do with the fact that he can't throw the dice for shit.

If you're going to be a jerk at a table, you should either be at first or third, so you have less reason to complain.

Quote: Boz

Know it All's that don't even know basic strategy were out in full force Sat night at the Red Rock.

Know it All's that don't know basic strategy are out in full force every night at every casino.