Dealer begging for tips
to me. You tip because you want to, not because you have to or there
is some kind of protocol. The dealer was way out of line, but she's
working at a bottom of the barrel casino, she's probably making diddly
for tips. Tell your friend that tipping can really cut into your profits
and magnify your losses and not to do it unless she feels like it. Never
feel obligated to tip.
Quote: EvenBob'Tipping system', thats a good one. If theres a tipping system, its news
to me. You tip because you want to, not because you have to or there
is some kind of protocol. The dealer was way out of line, but she's
working at a bottom of the barrel casino, she's probably making diddly
for tips. Tell your friend that tipping can really cut into your profits
and magnify your losses and not to do it unless she feels like it. Never
feel obligated to tip.
The dealer, when I confronted her on her impropriety, protested and said she would "never beg for tips"
Quote: EvenBob'Tipping system', thats a good one. If theres a tipping system, its news
to me. You tip because you want to, not because you have to or there
is some kind of protocol. The dealer was way out of line, but she's
working at a bottom of the barrel casino, she's probably making diddly
for tips. Tell your friend that tipping can really cut into your profits
and magnify your losses and not to do it unless she feels like it. Never
feel obligated to tip.
There is a "tipping system" on Rapid Roulette--you have to click on the Virtual Tip Jar icon. I'm probably the only person in the history of the dealer working the game to ever use it the one time I played it, because even she didn't know what happened when I dropped her a virtual toke.
Quote: aceofspadesThe dealer, when I confronted her on her impropriety, protested and said she would "never beg for tips"
Of course, whats she supposed to say. If you tell
the floor supervisor she will get in serious trouble.
Dealers are never supposed to solicit tips, it can
get you fired.
Quote: aceofspadesThis really annoyed me!
But not enough to complain to the offending dealer's supervisor, apparently.
Tip hustling is (officially) "Verboten!"
Quote: FarFromVegasThere is a "tipping system" on Rapid Roulette--you have to click on the Virtual Tip Jar icon. I'm probably the only person in the history of the dealer working the game to ever use it the one time I played it, because even she didn't know what happened when I dropped her a virtual toke.
Yes, there is a tipping system everywhere in all service industries and casino games, BUT, to out and out state that she only receives tips and to begin the conversation on tips when my friend did not ask about it at all is beyond improper - the look in her eyes when I confronted her about it told me all I needed to know.
Quote: aceofspadesYes, there is a tipping system everywhere in all service industries and casino games, BUT, to out and out state that she only receives tips and to begin the conversation on tips when my friend did not ask about it at all is beyond improper - the look in her eyes when I confronted her about it told me all I needed to know.
Oh, yeah--asking is out and out wrong. But tipping works differently on those electronic tables, therefore it's a different delivery "system". Optional and voluntary.
Quote: aceofspadesYes, there is a tipping system everywhere in all service industries and casino games,
There's a tipping system in casino games? What is
it, I've been going to Vegas since the 70's and I
never heard of it. Give us the details.
Quote: EvenBobThere's a tipping system in casino games? What is
it, I've been going to Vegas since the 70's and I
never heard of it. Give us the details.
Well, by system I meant 'custom'.
Quote: FarFromVegasOh, yeah--asking is out and out wrong. But tipping works differently on those electronic tables, therefore it's a different delivery "system". Optional and voluntary.
I think everyone is getting caught up with the "system" and thinking my friend even asked for an explanation - the dealer took it upon herself to begin informing my friend about tipping the dealer!
regular customers who never tip. What they really hate
is, because they aren't really providing a real service, there
is no way a dealer can punish you for not tipping. A cocktail
waitress can forget your drink, a food waitress can take
forever to bring the food, a bartender can ignore you and
make you sit and wait. But a dealer has to deal to you, he
has to pay you, there's nothing he can do because he's
doing his job for the casino, not for you.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffStiff's get their hands dealt much faster....
So THAT'S why the AP card counters here don't tip.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffstiffs have to take the card if they accidentally hit on something that would be an obvious stand, etc..
You're talking about ploppies, who cares what you
do to them, they deserve it. I'm talking about experienced
players who don't make mistakes and could care less
where the waitress is or isn't. But you're making my
point. Much as you want to, there's really nothing you
can do to screw up a stiff's game.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffYes, that is correct. If the dealer is smart enough to realize what the player is doing he may tattle if the player is being a stiff.
I remember one Friday night I was bartending and a guy
was giving me a really hard time and was constantly
in my face. After a few hours he said time for a tip,
and he asked for change from a $20. It was busy and
I thought the bill felt odd but just put it in the register
and forgot about it. The guy tipped me 2 bucks.
Later, when I was counting the till, its turns out the $20
bill was really FIVE twenties all stuck together. The early
ATM's did that a lot, used all brand new 20's and you
had to pry them apart. I never saw the guy again so that
was a $100 tip. 100 in 1980 is the same as 400 now. Thanks, jerkwad.
She was an older Asian lady, and I was in the middle of a decent run at a $15 BJ table, pressing the bets along the way(I'm not a big better as you can imagine). So I kicked the bet to 60 and had a 5 against a dealer King. First card of course, was a 10... After letting out a *sigh* of disgust, I hit the hand to pull a miracle 6! Dealer turns up an 8 for 18 and before even paying me says "Fi dolla!!" while pointing to herself! I was so happy to win in such an unfavorable situation, that I didn't care that much and probably would've tipped her anyway.
But still pretty outrageous that she demanded 5 dollars of my profit so boldly without hesitation. A smooth dealer would've subtly hint at a tip or even stroked my ego by calling me "Mr. Lucky" or something. Guess there's no shame in the hustle game!
Don't sweat it. Concentrate on your Basic Strategy.
Quote: teddysDid you get the impression she was making a joke? If not, I would have reported it to the pit boss or floorperson afterwards, and gotten the dealer written up for discipline. That is a big no-no, and dealers know it.
She was not joking - when I called her out on it she vehemently denied even discussing tipping
LOL
1% of after-tax net winnings.Quote: bwSpeaking of tips, what would most people think is a fair tip on a big jackpot, say 40k on Pai Gow poker?
Quote: Gambit55A few weeks ago at the Sands in Bethlehem PA, I had a dealer DEMAND a tip from me. No joke.
She was an older Asian lady, and I was in the middle of a decent run at a $15 BJ table, pressing the bets along the way(I'm not a big better as you can imagine). So I kicked the bet to 60 and had a 5 against a dealer King. First card of course, was a 10... After letting out a *sigh* of disgust, I hit the hand to pull a miracle 6! Dealer turns up an 8 for 18 and before even paying me says "Fi dolla!!" while pointing to herself! I was so happy to win in such an unfavorable situation, that I didn't care that much and probably would've tipped her anyway.
But still pretty outrageous that she demanded 5 dollars of my profit so boldly without hesitation. A smooth dealer would've subtly hint at a tip or even stroked my ego by calling me "Mr. Lucky" or something. Guess there's no shame in the hustle game!
Just another shot taker. They're on both sides of the table.
Shoe game? Why didn't you surrender 15 against the 10?
Quote: bwSpeaking of tips, what would most people think is a fair tip on a big jackpot, say 40k on Pai Gow poker?
1,000
Quote: teddysDid you get the impression she was making a joke? If not, I would have reported it to the pit boss or floorperson afterwards, and gotten the dealer written up for discipline. That is a big no-no, and dealers know it.
Nah, she was dead serious. She pounded the table with her hand out saying "Fi Dolla" and a sinister grin that probably would have turned into a frown had I not tipped. Sounded like Ms. Swan from Mad TV too, straight up Asian lady who had no shame in demanding a tip.
It's not like she refused to deal until I tipped her or anything like, but made it very clear that I owe her for coming through for me.
As for the person who asked why I didn't surrender. It was a 2-3, then I hit and got a 10 to make it 15. Hit Again and got the 6. You can't LATE surrender at Sands PA and I was distressed to be in that situation, only to come out lucky as hell to get the perfect card.
I had no problem tipping the lady, in fact I would've done it had she not asked. Probably not 5 bucks, but at least 2 or 3, and save the rest for the waitress. It's just the fact that she pounded the table with her hand out asking for 5 dollars was a bit extreme.
Quote: NicksGamingStuff1,000
Seriously? Or is this slight bias from a dealer? :)
I'd never tip big on a jackpot win. I tip on time played, not on amount won. I risk the money, they do the service. I don't see why the dealer needs to get a one-way cut of my action.
Quote: Gambit55I had no problem tipping the lady, in fact I would've done it had she not asked. Probably not 5 bucks, but at least 2 or 3, and save the rest for the waitress. It's just the fact that she pounded the table with her hand out asking for 5 dollars was a bit extreme.
You should have reported her to someone that could do something about it. Telling us does nothing to help.
Quote: Gambit55You can't LATE surrender at Sands PA.
We've been told here several times that state law requires uniformity in blackjack across the state.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffIf I hit a 40,000 jackpot I would tip 5,000. Nothing wrong with sharing, the amount risked to hit that jackpot was likely the $1 progressive, so why not share 1,000 of your 40,000 win. One could even bet the $1 progressive "for the dealer" occasionally. Wouldn't it be nice to win 40,000 for the dealers by only risking $1?
Because the house edge is then greater. If the dealer wants to risk their money on the jackpot, they can do. I don't see why I should give up 2.5% of my winnings to the dealer. I do see why I should tip regularly for good service.
I win a big jackpot, I'll be sharing not with the house.
Quote: Gambit55and before even paying me says "Fi dolla!!" while pointing to herself! Guess there's no shame in the hustle game!
Could be she was telling you the going rate for a "me love you long time."
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyYou should have reported her to someone that could do something about it. Telling us does nothing to help.
Not trying to get the lady in trouble, just sharing my story.
Quote: jeffwarren75funny you say that, I had it happen at revel in that pit also, I think they bring it up because most people dont think about it on the digi machines
Yea, I've gotten hand pay Jackpots where the Attendant stood around watching me count my winnings ($1160 & $1050) waiting for me to tip. But conveniently gave me large bills in the hope I would be generous. Luckily, I always keep $5 bills in my wallet and gave tips of 10 and 5 accordingly.
On an unrelated note, I've noticed if you use different player cards for each buy-in(of family members or friends) it results in a Progressive hit or couple hundred credit payout. Played a Blazing 7's slot with 3 different cards and hit the progressive after 4 spins with the 3rd card. Could be random luck, but seems strange when I leave a slot some old person comes in right away and hits something decent! So I used this casino tactic against them!
Quote: Gambit55Not trying to get the lady in trouble, just sharing my story.
You should read your original post again. You sound as if, not upset, then at least annoyed. If she asked for a tip that's against the rules and she should have to answer for it. Based on one complaint probably not much would happen, but that's why every complaint counts. Yours might have been the one that put a stop to her doing it forever. Now others will get hit up the same way. You didn't do anyone any favors.
At any rate it's nice to have this thread back after a month in the grave.
Danced behind the table for the customers amusement when tipped.
Given most of the "chat up" lines to try and make customers laugh, eg How did you get away with that? (on bad plays that worked) , when asked what would you do (eg 16 vs 10 on bj) replied "Give all your cash to the dealer, at least that way someone is guaranteed to leave here happy tonight" and verious other cheeky/sarcastic remarks. I tend to go for over the top just so it is generally taken in the way its intended, which is in good spirit.
But I would never straight out ask. Thats just..... rude.
Quote: CroupierI must admit Im not proud when it comes to tips. I have before now:
Danced behind the table for the customers amusement when tipped.
Given most of the "chat up" lines to try and make customers laugh, eg How did you get away with that? (on bad plays that worked) , when asked what would you do (eg 16 vs 10 on bj) replied "Give all your cash to the dealer, at least that way someone is guaranteed to leave here happy tonight" and verious other cheeky/sarcastic remarks. I tend to go for over the top just so it is generally taken in the way its intended, which is in good spirit.
But I would never straight out ask. Thats just..... rude.
If the dealer makes me laugh the dealer will get more tips.
Quote: Gambit55Yea, I've gotten hand pay Jackpots where the Attendant stood around watching me count my winnings ($1160 & $1050) waiting for me to tip. But conveniently gave me large bills in the hope I would be generous. Luckily, I always keep $5 bills in my wallet and gave tips of 10 and 5 accordingly.
So, the attendant did their job correctly (giving you the money and scampering off before you counted it would be wrong). The attendant didn't give you a bunch of small bills to try to mooch a tip so you assume they wanted a large one. Uh huh. I'm confused about the math though, why does a $90 difference in jackpot get almost double the tip percentage (.47% vs .86%)?
Quote: Gambit55
On an unrelated note, I've noticed if you use different player cards for each buy-in(of family members or friends) it results in a Progressive hit or couple hundred credit payout. Played a Blazing 7's slot with 3 different cards and hit the progressive after 4 spins with the 3rd card. Could be random luck, but seems strange when I leave a slot some old person comes in right away and hits something decent! So I used this casino tactic against them!
Quite the evil genius move. Or, just another myth that you believe in.
Quote: MrVCould be she was telling you the going rate for a "me love you long time."Quote: Gambit55and before even paying me says "Fi dolla!!" while pointing to herself! Guess there's no shame in the hustle game!
My thoughts exactly. She saw you win some money and wanted to let you know that chips weren't the only thing that she had for sale.
Proper response would have been to vigorously shake your head while saying, "Too boku! Fi dolla too boku!"
Quote: MonkeyMonkeySo, the attendant did their job correctly (giving you the money and scampering off before you counted it would be wrong). The attendant didn't give you a bunch of small bills to try to mooch a tip so you assume they wanted a large one. Uh huh. I'm confused about the math though, why does a $90 difference in jackpot get almost double the tip percentage (.47% vs .86%)?
Quite the evil genius move. Or, just another myth that you believe in.
Well, they do count the money before they hand it to you with a security guard present and then hand it to you ONE bill at a time, counting it as they go. So as I turned back to my machine(that still had money in it) she stood there watching as I counted the money myself. It wasn't until I dug into my wallet, tipped em a 5 spot that they were satisfied enough to leave. I had anticipated some small bills from the Payout, but on the $1050 one, she gave me 10 large and a $50 bill. But no problem, kept my big bills and handed out a small one.
As for the larger payout, which was actually $110 more, not $90. It was a relatively fast hit, 10 spins into $100. Also the attendant was very quick in bringing me the money, so I felt pretty good about tipping extra. And I see what you did there using a small sample size to extrapolate a percentage, nice try!
I've seen players tip several hundred dollars more than they themselves walked away from a craps table with. I've also seen players who've never tipped when I was there and probably never tipped in their lives at all.
I've had one dealer who was talking about knocking over a seven-eleven and the conversation was with his crew. I've no idea what his toke rate was but the table was virtually empty as was the entire casino.
I've had one dealer yell out What Do You Think I'm Standing Here For? when I didn't tip him.
I've had one Dual Rate claim that a dealer loudly directing an expletive at a non-tipping player in the presence of other players at the table was proper.
It must be hard for some dealers in flea joints to get tokes and I'm sure its hard to go an entire shift without tokes while being only a short distance from the boob-filled party pit where the Tit Tax is flowing all night long.
A range of behaviors exists and I've not ever really wanted anyone to be written up when I'm playing. I just want to win, not get someone else fired or have some "points on his license" or whatever. Sometimes I've felt its the supervisor's behavior that is the worst. Once I shared an airport shuttle with a dice dealer who had emptied my wallet. He was ecstatic as he headed to a plane to see a game he wanted to watch live and I chatted with him just as freely as if I might have done if I had won big. Neither the dealers nor the players really hate the game or its problem players, its just that some nights things get a bit too much when a jerk is just too annoying for too long a time period.
How many have been at a table and noticed a dealer is paying off all players with clean chips but is paying off one particular player with dirty chips? Is that some sort of warning sign that the dealer uses?
Quote: FleaStiffThere are different degrees of intensity and persistence involved.
How many have been at a table and noticed a dealer is paying off all players with clean chips but is paying off one particular player with dirty chips? Is that some sort of warning sign that the dealer uses?
Never seen that or noticed an intent to discriminate.
I do notice that someone who bets big(50-100) using only reds($5 chips) and gets paid in only reds. I know it's easier to pay out like that as opposed to counting it by eye, but still peculiar.
I've also been paid on bets of 30 & $35 with Red and $1 chips, whether or not I asked for dollar chips. But I did ask for a change a few times earlier to "play for the dealer", so I figure they were hoping I'd get them a little action.
At Mohegan Pocono I had a dealer try to tell me that they get paid the same hourly as restaurant employees. Seeing as how I get credit applications from Mohegan employees, and often need paystubs for verification, I know that is false. He also bragged that he got the most tips of any dealer in the casino. I gave him a raised eyebrow and a "Hmmm, izzatso, wow," and colored in at that moment. Screw that guy.
If a dealer acted like that Asian woman at Sands Bethlehem, my response would be greatly tempered by whatever interaction preceded that moment. If everything was high spirited banter, I'd laugh and go along with it, as part of the show. The woman in the digipit, that would not go over well with me, not at all.
Quote: Gambit55I do notice that someone who bets big(50-100) using only reds($5 chips) and gets paid in only reds. I know it's easier to pay out like that as opposed to counting it by eye, but still peculiar.
Whether they tip or not is irrelevant.
A guy betting big with small chips is gonna want to be paid by small chips. So why create an uncomfortable moment by not paying in small chips?
Besides, it's quicker to just match stack sizes.
Quote: Gambit55I've also been paid on bets of 30 & $35 with Red and $1 chips, whether or not I asked for dollar chips. But I did ask for a change a few times earlier to "play for the dealer", so I figure they were hoping I'd get them a little action.
Yeah, that happens with me too. But I make enough toke bets where they work for me. By that I mean if I am running low on whites, they'll give me extra. If I have a ton of them in the rail, they'll ask for one rather than give me four. Of course, I'm also usually holding a white, prepared to drop it if needed, but sometimes I forget.
Bottom line, the dealers generally quickly see what I'm doing and anticipate what I WANT to do, and work with me to get it done.
