Atlantic City - Best $5 Craps and $1/$2 No Limit Texas Hold'em Poker Casinos.

I'll be heading to Atlantic City next week for a couple of days. Please list the best casinos in AC for $5 Craps w/ Firebet and $1/$2 No Limit Texas Hold'em Poker (Cash, No Tournaments).

I prefer to gamble weekdays between the hours of 6am - 6pm.

Thanks!

Earlier in the day, you're likely to find $5 craps everywhere.

When they start going up is unknown.

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All four of the Caesars properties (Caesars, Bally's, ShowBoat and Harrah's) have linked Bad Beats. If the Bad Beat hits anywhere, everyone seated at a bad beat eligible game gets a share of the jackpot.

Bally's has a $1/$1 game: Two $1 blinds, $2 to call, with a $100 max buy-in. They also have a $1/$3 game. The other Caesars properties, and all other poker rooms in town, have $1/$2.

The most popular/busiest poker room would be at Borgata. On opening day, Revel seemed like it would be poised to be as popular as Borgata. Time will tell.

Taj used to be popular but it's gone downhill lately.

Golden Nugget has a nice poker room, but the last time I was there, at 10am on a Tuesday, it was empty. Maybe things are different now that they had their grand opening.

Lowest limit Craps, Atlantic City:

Atlantic Club: $3 minimum (24/7). 5x odds. Firebet (24x, 249x, 999x). Four huge tables with sand colored felt.
I do not think anyone else has the firebet on the boardwalk.
I love the beach so I don't go to the marina district.

Trump Plaza: $3 minimum (one table weekdays). 5x or 10x odds. No fire.
Resorts: $5 minimum(at least one table). 5x odds. No fire.

Do not bother with Bally's and Caesars: Usually $10 minimums the second one table is full.

Poker:
I would suggest either
Revel, because it is smoke free, new and a nice room,
Borgata, because it is the most popular room in the city, with the best players, (if you want that?)
Showboat, because it is full of younger guys who think they are the next Moneymaker and they are easy to read.

Atlantic Club doesn't have a poker room yet, but they are currently renovating and will have a little eight-table room by mid-summer.

Quote: WongBo

I do not think anyone else has the firebet on the boardwalk.

All Caesars properties are offering the Fire Bet, unless not allowed by jurisdiction.

Quote: WongBo

Trump Plaza: $3 minimum (one table weekdays). 5x or 10x odds. No fire.

When I was there in December, they were proudly announcing 10x odds. 5x odds is standard in AC.

Quote: WongBo

Atlantic Club doesn't have a poker room yet, but they are currently renovating and will have a little eight-table room by mid-summer.

Seriously?? Where are they going to poach players from? I know it's supposed to be the new locals casino, but the locals are going to play where the fish are, not against each other.

Thanks for all the responses.

I have received confirmed reports that the Taj Mahal in AC installed the Fire Bet on its Craps layout a couple of days ago. The Firebet is now listed on Taj Mahal's website.

Quote: Tiltpoul

All Caesars properties are offering the Fire Bet, unless not allowed by jurisdiction.

Not on the Bally's table I enjoyed last weekend.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Not on the Bally's table I enjoyed last weekend.

I stand corrected then. I'm pretty sure I saw it at Caesars though, and know I saw it at Showboat.

Bally's AC has 2/4 Fixed-Limit TH also, if anyone is so inclined.

Thanks for all the feedback. Atlantic City was kinda interesting...though not profitable because I made the same mistakes.

5/23

Flew straight in to Atlantic City from Fort Lauderdale, FL. My gambling buddy picked me up at the airport. Drove straight to Caesars to check in. I had a fully comped 2 night stay....only taxes ($13 a day) to pay. Checked into the hotel around 2pm. Went to check out Atlantic Club Casino...they have the Firebet, tables are $3 minimum which is a bit too low (DID not like the clientele); felt very uncomfortable.....lost $200.... Walked over to Tropicana (which i've always hated) lost $200 in 20 minutes and left.

Walked over to Ballys. Got on a table...where the hot shooter for the night hit 4 straight points on the first roll after establishing the point. I was very impressed and asked him for some advice...he suggested a "dice set". I followed suit but decided to throw underhand...I had my best roll in a long time...threw for 45 minutes...hit lots of points (7) and felt in a great vibe. If Bally's had the firebet; I would have hit the "5 point firebet" and made good money on the sucker bet. I made $650 on my roll betting very conservatively (my biggest downfall). Again, a couple of people on my table won over $2,000 on my roll. This lady on the table only bet on the 12's during my roll and had unbelievable timing. She won it 6 times during my roll and hit a $25 bet on the 12's ($750 payout!); not sure what her initial buy-in was but she cashed out over $1,500 and was very happy.

I gave the shooter who gave me the good advice $50 and felt good. Tables got "COLD"......I know what real Craps players will say "Bet the Don'ts", I just don't enjoy playing that way. I'm now up $200....after being down $400 earlier..I'm not complaining. Walked over to Trump Plaza..around 1am.....tables are COLD...there's only one decent shooter....a lady but everybody wants to shoot and keep on losing..table was not too crowded so I mostly bet on her solely turned $50 into $200. It's now 2am....I'm up $350 overall...after playing for 10 hours straight....I want to go to bed. My buddy is down $500 and wants to keep playing. We walk over to Caesars....tables are COLD....but I manage to break even by not betting much.

He wants to return to Atlantic Casino Club...it was horrible. Tables were COLD again, drunk players making late bets, it was just not a good vibe...lost $250 in 30 minutes. Left...drove over to Taj Mahal...to check out their new tables with the Firebet newly installed. We stop at the Poker Room to play a little NL Texas Hold'em..we both lost $100 each. I had Pocket Aces...raised to $15 because the table was "loose", everybody folded...walked over to the craps table, it was a DISASTER; everybody was losing including myself...lost $200 in 30 minutes. I was so freaking upset! I was up $350 and ready to go to bed happy, now an hour later...I'm down $200 (A $550 downswing). My gambling buddy was still down $500; he played some Blackjack which helped alleviate some of his losses on the Taj Mahal Craps table. I go back to Caesars to crash at 4am.

5/24

Wake up at 7am...ready to make some money. Walked downstairs to play Craps at Caesars...$10 Craps at 7:30am on a Thursday morning??? Why isn't it $5? I had a good first roll....made about $200 profit shooting underhand. The only other player on the table is a "Don't player" who was shooting and betting "against himself". He was throwing numbers...made no sense. He told the Pit Boss he was down $6,500...I could see why! I always put $1 on a Firebet when it's available...I left to go the restroom, come back to the table and he has hit 4 unique points...(shooting from the Don'ts) I start pondering my "Firebet hedge" strategy...I was definitely going to hedge the 6th point attempt by laying the point. I never got the opportunity...he 7'ed out before making the 5th point. My gambling buddy comes down to the table and the table goes COLD... I could not make a point to save myself..lost my $200 profit for the day plus an additional $200.

Walked over to Ballys...the table I was hot on the night before was not open. Lost $200 there...left headed back to Trump Plaza. Tables were $3 but not overly crowded...There was one great shooter there; young guy who had 2 great rolls; I made $400 on his two rolls before he passed me the dice after making his last point because he was hungry and wanted to go eat. I had a decent roll on my first attempt; hit lots of hardways! The other side of the table was ATROCIOUS and was now crowded...I lack patience to just wait on a table without making any bets for an extended period of time. There was only one table open...I should have stopped playing....after losing all my profit for the day...I left.

Funny side note @ Trump Plaza. An older man (standing next to me) was having a decent roll. The point was "10" and the dice went off the table. Don't players were standing on the side and pounced on the table with heavy lay bets. A guy put about $800 cash on the table, saying "Lay the 10", the shooter looked at me and said "these guys have no faith". I was playing the Pass Line with the shooter; I called my bets "off" and picked up my odds. Next Roll: SEVEN! I was so mad at myself....Craps is random but all the Don't players played the "craps myth" perfectly! Why didn't I follow suit?

Returned back to Bally's...saw the guy who was really good the night before who taught me the new dice set. The table from the night before was open and we all played on it. He Point 7'ed out on his first roll and his second roll costing me a lot of $$$! How could somebody who was so good the night before start playing so horribly....it's just craps! I had a decent roll on my first attempt....funny side note.... I warned everybody to "protect their pass line bet" by betting any craps. On my initial comeout roll; I threw the Ace/Deuce 3 consecutive times!

LATE BETS!!!!

My biggest pet peeves on the craps table are late bets, people buying in DURING a roll and chips placed on the landing zone of where the shooter is throwing the Dice. Most of the good rolls ended when people made late bets and people pausing the game by buying in while the "Puck was on". This kept on happening throughout the day and drove me crazy...almost every good roll ended with other players destroying the "flow of the game".

My gambling buddy makes late bets ALL the time, gets into arguments with dealers over "mispayments", and throws chips all over the table making one roll bets "while the puck is on" KILLING the mojo of the table. I have decided I will no longer play on the same craps table with him. I called him over to play on tables during decent rolls several times the past couple of days and things ended badly soon after. I'm not entirely blaming him but throwing a chip in the direction of a shooter to make a horn bet while the shooter is throwing the dice is very disrespectful and messes up his/her concentration.

I lost my composure a few times because it kept on happening (Late Bets). The day got progressively worse...and I started making emotionally charged bets. I lost $600 in 2 days at Atlantic City and will probably not return there again. I am now in Brooklyn spending time with the family...I'll try to go to Bethlehem Sands sometime within the next couple of days before heading back to Florida on Sunday.

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My biggest pet peeves on the craps table are late bets and people buying in DURING a roll. Most of the good rolls ended when people made late bets and people pausing the game by buying it while the "Puck was on". This kept on happening throughout the day and drove me crazy...almost every good roll ended with other players destroying the "flow of the game".

Let me start off by saying I am not a craps player. I can understand bettors slowing the game down for late bets would ruin the "flow of the game" but could you explain to me how the delays cause the shooter to end his/hers run.

Nice trip report CrapsForever!

A couple of things:

1) Caesars likes to maintain the image of being a high-end resort. This philosophy is taken to every level, from higher priced restaurants, rooms and higher table minimums (with 3-card being the exception). It doesn't really make sense, but I don't think you'd see a $5 table min on craps at Caesars even if the casino had zero people in it.

2) I'm glad you found a way to feel like you're going to make more money, but I'm sure the dice set the guy told you about didn't really have the impact you think it did. You just got very lucky.

Quote: CrapsForever

My biggest pet peeves on the craps table are late bets and people buying in DURING a roll. Most of the good rolls ended when people made late bets and people pausing the game by buying it while the "Puck was on". This kept on happening throughout the day and drove me crazy...almost every good roll ended with other players destroying the "flow of the game".

Quote: only1choice

Let me start off by saying I am not a craps player. I can understand bettors slowing the game down for late bets would ruin the "flow of the game" but could you explain to me how the delays cause the shooter to end his/hers run.

Craps is completely random but for some strange reason....when a shooter is on a great roll (very rarely); there's a flow on the table that is indescribable. When I'm on a good roll (very rarely); I am completely focused and almost mechanical; akin to swinging a golf club. Any break in the rhythm of the table kills the "momentum", I realized this a few years ago when I noticed a ridiculous correlation of 7outs as soon as I bought in during a nice roll so I do not buy-in during a roll "when the puck is on".

I also ONLY make bets while the dice are in the middle of the table before the shooter gets them. A few Craps dealers that I met throughout the years told me a similar thing; regarding "flow of a game" during a hot roll.

The past couple of days in Atlantic City were the epitome of players "disrespecting the game" by buying in while the puck is on and making late bets on a craps table. I am going to need to move up to a much bigger minimum bet table ($15 - $25) which requires a much bigger bankroll ($1,500 - $2,500) than I currently play with ($500) per session. Hopefully this will help alleviate the issue of people interrupting the flow to the game.

If you ever play craps during a "hot roll", start documenting if anything different happens right before a 7out. Craps is completely random but I notice similar things ending nice rolls too often. The Casino is always our enemy while we are playing but I have to say other Craps players on the table are the biggest culprits!

There's a reason people would pay more money to play Blackjack with no "midshoe entry", I would love to see this enforced on a Craps table. If you have lots of money; you can have an entire table reserved for yourself and not have to worry about that.

Quote: Tiltpoul

Nice trip report CrapsForever!

A couple of things:

1) Caesars likes to maintain the image of being a high-end resort. This philosophy is taken to every level, from higher priced restaurants, rooms and higher table minimums (with 3-card being the exception). It doesn't really make sense, but I don't think you'd see a $5 table min on craps at Caesars even if the casino had zero people in it.

2) I'm glad you found a way to feel like you're going to make more money, but I'm sure the dice set the guy told you about didn't really have the impact you think it did. You just got very lucky.

Thanks!

Regarding Caesars, they only had one table open on Thursday until 2pm; the table was PACKED in the early afternoon and I could not get a spot; it was very disheartening that they had an EMPTY $25 table with dealers but refused to drop the minimum. The only tables with low minimums that I saw in Atlantic City was ACC ($3, $5) and Trump Plaza ($3, $5). I heard Revel has $5 tables but I forgot to go there and check it out.

I'll have to respectfully agree with you on Point #2. I have NOT found a way to make more money because the dice set the guy taught me (5's on top of both Die/4's facing you) only worked on Wednesday night @ Ballys. I simply got lucky mimicking the lucky shooter of the night though I do like my new twist of throwing underhand; I have a lot more control (throwing) the dice and can avoid chips in my landing zone.

The same shooter that was hot on Wednesday was HORRIBLE on Thursday. I also never replicated the success that I had on that initial roll @ Ballys even though I had numerous attempts to try it at various casinos through AC in the past couple of days.

My biggest advice on any craps table: If there is a "lucky hot shooter" on the table; Mimic the "hot shooter" on the table; you might get lucky also. I have done this a lot of times and had success through the years doing this (mimicking the hot shooter). If it works, enjoy it....once that roll ends....your luck will run out!

Did any of those casinos have quarter chips on the craps tables?

I heard a rumor that ACH might do it. Plus I figure any craps table with a less than $5 minimum should do it....

I've long said that I'm not particularly fussy about the table minimum, but allow for fractional place bet units with correct payouts!

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Did any of those casinos have quarter chips on the craps tables?

I heard a rumor that ACH might do it. Plus I figure any craps table with a less than $5 minimum should do it....

I've long said that I'm not particularly fussy about the table minimum, but allow for fractional place bet units with correct payouts!

ACH now ACC has fractional chips all the way down to $0.25. People were placing C&E bets for $0.50 combined! I throw lots of horns so it was cool making $1 C&E bets combined on every throw. The bad thing however is the fractional chips has people making small bets throughout the game and slows the game down to a snails' pace. Dealers were not happy to book these minuscule bets repeatedly on every roll and I agree with them that it makes the game there non-enjoyable.

Trump Plaza which has a $3 Craps table does not have fractional chips.

I've played craps probably 100 times and never thought twice about buying in mid roll. Is it really that taboo and I am clueless?

I do agree about the change of luck as soon as dice are off the table. I swear 7 comes out on the next roll almost every time!!!!

Bethlehem Sands 5/25

Went to Bethlehem Sands last night. I swear I am the dumbest Craps player ever. My plan was to play the Don'ts until somebody hit a point. Somehow, between my drive from Brooklyn to Bethlehem; my plan changed and I decided to change back to the Pass Line side. Went to two Craps tables.....not a single person made one point...."Don't Player Dream" but somehow I am playing on the Pass Line Side, I was down $500 in 45 minutes! I Point Established, 7'ed out (PSO) all 4 times I touched the dice. The 4th time I finally played the Don'ts against myself making a minuscule profit on that roll.

I went to a third table; identified 2 "hot shooters", both of them did NOT make a point but hit lots of hardways....I made $400 on their rolls. By the end of the session (2 hours), I was only down $100 and decided to call it a night.

CASINO MISPLACING BETS INTENTIONALLY?

On my first comeout roll; I bet $5 Horn High Aces....threw a 2, got paid $56...I threw in an additional $5 and stated...."Press my Horn High Aces to $10", the next roll was a 3, the box paid me $12...they said "you never pressed your bet"...I became very upset because I clearly pressed my bet. They did not book the bet.

On my next attempt...I threw in $11 and said "Hop 7's for $2 each with a $5 Horn high Aces. The box called out "$5 Horn High Aces" with the stick man banking my $6; I stopped the game before throwing and said "Why are you banking my $6?" I clearly stated "Hop the 7's for $2 each and you looked right at me and said...okay"... they booked the bet.

Later that night during a roll, I threw in $11 and said "Hop the 5 & 9 with a $5 Horn High Aces"...the box booked the 5 & 9 for $1 each with a $5 Horn High Aces...Again the stick tried to bank $2 before the next throw, I got into a very HEATED argument with the Pit Boss about continued misplaced bets by the dealers especially the stick..I screamed "I just threw you $11, why do you keep banking chips???" The PIT BOSS argued with me that I was not throwing in the appropriate amount of $$$. I screamed back "it's your job to book bets and give back change", "you do the math..book my bets and give me back my change" They booked the bet.

Regarding both of the "hot shooters"; one (Shooter A) threw the dice randomly and was just a lucky SOB....on the first table when I was there....he did not make a single oint but hit lots of hardways...A player (Non-shooter) had $25 on all hardways...the hard 8 was hit; he pressed his Hard 4, 6, 10 to $50 and $75 on the Hard 8, the box booked the bet correctly and verbally said "$50 on all hardways, $75 on the hard 8" Shooter A hit every single hardway (4,6,10)...when he hit the Hard 8, there was only $50 on the Hard 8 for the NON-Shooter; this was a LIE; it was clearly $75 that the guy pressed it up to....a few minutes earlier (the entire table confirmed it)...argument was started (justifiably)....game was paused...this was intentional by the box..the Pit Boss said "We'll pay you for a $50 Hard 8, then check surveillance for the remaining $25. Arguments on craps table almost always leads to a 7 on the very next roll. I called "off" on my bets...hopped the 7's right away for $3 each....next roll was a SEVEN! I was so mad about the box messing up the game...I left the table. An hour later; Shooter A goes on a 30 minute roll but there is no room for me to get back in. BIG freaking mistake; I had identified a lucky shooter but left the table because the box was cheating. I caused myself money by leaving the table!

Now on a different table, shooter B who is a "dice setter"....Mini V (2's) setter is hitting hardways like CRAZY...I made $300 on a total of an original $10 placed on hardways in minutes....he hit the Hard 6 three times in a few rolls; I pressed from $5 to $10 to $15...making more than $200 in a few rolls. When I pressed the Hard 6 to $15; somehow there was only $10 placed on it...the next time the Hard 6 was hit during the flow of the game...argument was started....this was intentional by the box...game was paused...I called "off" on my bets...hopped the 7's for $5 each, next roll: SEVEN!

Shooter A comes over to my table...I tell the player next to me...that guy is a very lucky shooter...."get ready to make money". I bet all the hardways $5 each..bet $18 on the 6 and 8...then hopped the 5's and 9's for $1 each and bet a $2 C&E. Shooter A hit SIX 9's in a ROW (I was getting back $10 per roll)after the 6th 9 in a row; I threw in $7 and clearly stated "Make my $2 C&E a $5 Horn and press my Hop 5's and 9's to $2 each. The next roll was a 9 (SEVEN 9's in a row), the box paid me $7 instead of $22, they never booked my additional hop bets...I honestly tried not to make a scene but I had just thrown in the money for the bet the roll before and this was getting ridiculous...now there were doing the BS yet again. I said very loudly "everybody, I would call off your bets if I were you, the BS is starting again", I took down my $18 (6&8) and hopped the 7's for $5 each...next roll (SEVEN)! UNBELIEVABLE! 3 good rolls by 2 players all ended the same way within a 45 minute period ..with the casino "misplacing" bets. I left the Casino down $100 but after being down $500 an hour earlier; I felt like a winner!

I highly advise you....once an argument starts on a craps table...."call off your bets"...this was the most horrible intentional display I have ever seen in my 12 years of playing craps at a casino. Everybody makes mistakes but 8 mistakes on 3 different craps tables in 2 hours reeks to me of a systematic move by a Casino to cheat players or intentionally destroy the "flow of a game".

CRAPS PLAYER STEALING CHIPS

I have never seen a craps player stealing chips in my life until yesterday. There was a "drunk" guy next to me who took my come bet as his; I clearly put my bet there next to his but he claimed I must have removed it because there was only one come bet there after an "11" was thrown which he claimed was his. I don't drink and I am VERY attentive on a Craps table...the guy stole my $$$. Well, he tried to do it FOUR more times with the Come Bets, I called him out every single time on it. Then he tried to claim a few of my place bets as his on payouts even though the dealer kept on saying "those are not your bets", he kept on pacing around the table....would leave every few minutes, then come back. He also tried to run his hands through my chips rack; I got in his face and said "What the hell do you think you are doing?"...he replied "Sorry, I am a bit drunk". I was not buying that "drunk act" for a minute. I am from Brooklyn, a scam artist is born everyday...you always have to be on the lookout.

I told the player on the other side of me (Shooter C) "watch out, this guy steals chips". Apparently this is an issue at Bethlehem Sands because Shooter C told me "it happens here all the time, that "drunk" guy is always doing funny stuff, that's why I put all my chips in my pocket" I am here everyday. He also told me a player got arrested recently because surveillance caught him stealing chips from players and from the Casino on the craps table; how is it possible to steal chips from the casino on a craps table???

FINAL FRONTIER

I'll be there tonight (Bethlehem Sands) for another tryout on the craps table but with a much better knowledge of a plan of attack! Play the Don'ts until a couple of points are made, Identify the "hot shooter", bet heavy on him/her watch the stick man/dealers/box very carefully, confirm all bets verbally and visually throughout the game. Call "off" all bets after arguments and lay the point for $200 or better right away after an argument!

Quote: Beardgoat

I've played craps probably 100 times and never thought twice about buying in mid roll. Is it really that taboo and I am clueless?

I do agree about the change of luck as soon as dice are off the table. I swear 7 comes out on the next roll almost every time!!!!

Now this (Roll after dice goes off the table) is easy to track. I'll start tracking this every single time it happens. I always call my bets "off" after dice off the table and yes, the next roll is usually either a 7 or Horn. Seen it happen in every casino that has craps in the past 12 years..."selective memory" not needed.