GamblingNoob
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May 5th, 2012 at 12:05:13 PM permalink
Hi I just download the WinStats app. but how can you generate random shoes using 8 decks???

I saw on the site the owner upload 1000 random shoes in 8 decks and 6 decks. I wonders did he use WinStats to generated?

If so please let me know.

Thanks
guido111
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May 5th, 2012 at 1:04:03 PM permalink
WinStats from Peanut software is a free program.
If you are talking about the Baccarat shoes the Wizard produced at WoO, he used his own program.

WinStats Baccarat can do the same thing after you set the parameters.
There is a help file that explains this.

After setting your edit/parameters
go to table/select items and uncheck everything BUT PBT summary (it is on the bottom)
Then select the number of shoes in the table menu and select many shoes. Over 10 will ask you for a name If I remember right.
The format can then be imported into Excel or whatever.

The format is below for the shoe results.
(I did not see this in the newest help section.)

shoe#,hand#,result,Player Total,Banker Total,Player 3 cards,Banker 3 cards

1,1,B,0,8,J,K,-,8,K,-
1,2,B,0,9,T,Q,-,A,8,-
1,3,P,9,6,9,J,-,5,A,-
1,4,P,7,4,9,8,-,T,J,4
1,5,B,0,4,J,Q,J,7,7,-
1,6,P,3,1,A,2,Q,Q,J,A
1,7,B,2,9,K,2,-,4,5,-
1,8,P,8,2,8,K,-,8,4,-
1,9,B,2,9,5,7,-,5,4,-
1,10,P,4,3,4,T,T,6,7,J
1,11,B,0,8,J,K,-,J,8,-
1,12,T,6,6,T,J,6,3,J,3
1,13,B,4,5,8,6,J,7,3,5
1,14,T,7,7,2,5,-,5,2,-
1,15,T,7,7,2,Q,5,T,2,5
1,16,P,8,1,7,6,5,4,9,8
1,17,T,6,6,3,K,3,A,J,5
1,18,B,0,9,Q,J,-,4,5,-
1,19,B,3,7,2,A,T,7,Q,-
1,20,B,5,9,Q,Q,5,T,J,9
1,21,P,6,4,6,K,-,6,4,4
1,22,P,6,3,Q,3,3,2,Q,A
1,23,P,9,5,A,8,-,5,K,-
1,24,T,7,7,7,K,-,7,Q,-
1,25,B,7,9,J,7,-,A,8,-
1,26,P,4,1,Q,K,4,7,4,T
1,27,P,8,2,2,6,-,Q,2,-
1,28,P,9,5,Q,T,9,6,9,-
1,29,P,8,7,A,7,-,7,Q,-
1,30,B,3,9,3,Q,-,6,3,-
1,31,T,8,8,4,4,-,5,3,-
1,32,B,7,9,A,6,-,2,7,-
1,33,B,7,9,7,Q,-,8,A,-
1,34,B,0,8,6,4,-,T,8,-
1,35,P,6,4,T,5,A,7,7,-
1,36,B,3,8,K,T,3,8,6,4
1,37,B,0,7,5,5,Q,Q,7,-
1,38,P,7,4,Q,2,5,8,6,K
1,39,T,6,6,J,6,-,8,4,4
1,40,B,0,9,Q,K,-,9,T,-
1,41,P,8,1,3,5,-,5,6,-
1,42,P,6,4,6,J,-,Q,4,T
1,43,P,8,6,6,8,4,2,4,-
1,44,P,7,6,J,7,-,4,2,-
1,45,T,3,3,K,Q,3,Q,J,3
1,46,B,4,5,5,9,J,T,J,5
1,47,P,9,8,T,9,-,T,8,-
1,48,P,7,6,K,7,-,Q,6,-
1,49,B,1,3,2,9,J,Q,3,K
1,50,B,3,7,T,3,T,Q,7,-
1,51,P,7,6,J,2,5,7,9,-
1,52,B,3,6,8,6,9,K,2,4
1,53,P,7,6,J,7,-,A,2,3
1,54,B,1,8,7,4,-,7,A,-
1,55,B,2,8,2,T,-,7,A,-
1,56,T,1,1,2,9,K,A,K,T
1,57,T,7,7,K,5,2,9,8,-
1,58,B,7,9,A,6,-,5,4,-
1,59,B,0,2,3,9,8,2,K,K
1,60,B,0,7,3,2,5,5,2,-
1,61,T,8,8,8,T,-,8,T,-
1,62,B,2,7,K,3,9,8,9,-
1,63,B,5,9,9,6,J,3,7,9
1,64,P,6,0,2,9,5,A,9,K
1,65,B,3,4,J,T,3,5,9,J
1,66,P,9,0,9,T,-,J,K,-
1,67,P,3,1,A,A,A,Q,2,9
1,68,B,6,8,9,7,-,3,A,4
1,69,B,4,6,2,2,K,K,A,5
1,70,B,2,6,4,6,2,8,8,-
1,71,T,7,7,7,K,-,A,6,-
1,72,P,9,2,2,7,-,2,Q,-
1,73,B,0,8,A,9,T,T,2,6
1,74,P,8,7,8,K,-,6,A,-
1,75,P,9,0,6,3,-,9,A,-
1,76,T,9,9,9,Q,-,3,6,-
1,77,P,8,6,8,K,-,8,8,-
1,78,P,7,5,8,9,-,6,9,J
1,79,B,6,7,3,3,-,J,3,4
1,80,P,9,6,3,7,9,3,3,-
1,81,B,7,9,A,6,-,4,5,-
1,82,B,4,6,T,K,4,K,6,-
GamblingNoob
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May 5th, 2012 at 1:50:15 PM permalink
Quote: guido111

WinStats from Peanut software is a free program.
If you are talking about the Baccarat shoes the Wizard produced at WoO, he used his own program.

WinStats Baccarat can do the same thing after you set the parameters.
There is a help file that explains this.

After setting your edit/parameters
go to table/select items and uncheck everything BUT PBT summary (it is on the bottom)
Then select the number of shoes in the table menu and select many shoes. Over 10 will ask you for a name If I remember right.
The format can then be imported into Excel or whatever.

The format is below for the shoe results.
(I did not see this in the newest help section.)

shoe#,hand#,result,Player Total,Banker Total,Player 3 cards,Banker 3 cards

1,1,B,0,8,J,K,-,8,K,-
1,2,B,0,9,T,Q,-,A,8,-
1,3,P,9,6,9,J,-,5,A,-
1,4,P,7,4,9,8,-,T,J,4
1,5,B,0,4,J,Q,J,7,7,-
1,6,P,3,1,A,2,Q,Q,J,A
1,7,B,2,9,K,2,-,4,5,-
1,8,P,8,2,8,K,-,8,4,-
1,9,B,2,9,5,7,-,5,4,-
1,10,P,4,3,4,T,T,6,7,J
1,11,B,0,8,J,K,-,J,8,-
1,12,T,6,6,T,J,6,3,J,3
1,13,B,4,5,8,6,J,7,3,5
1,14,T,7,7,2,5,-,5,2,-
1,15,T,7,7,2,Q,5,T,2,5
1,16,P,8,1,7,6,5,4,9,8
1,17,T,6,6,3,K,3,A,J,5
1,18,B,0,9,Q,J,-,4,5,-
1,19,B,3,7,2,A,T,7,Q,-
1,20,B,5,9,Q,Q,5,T,J,9
1,21,P,6,4,6,K,-,6,4,4
1,22,P,6,3,Q,3,3,2,Q,A
1,23,P,9,5,A,8,-,5,K,-
1,24,T,7,7,7,K,-,7,Q,-
1,25,B,7,9,J,7,-,A,8,-
1,26,P,4,1,Q,K,4,7,4,T
1,27,P,8,2,2,6,-,Q,2,-
1,28,P,9,5,Q,T,9,6,9,-
1,29,P,8,7,A,7,-,7,Q,-
1,30,B,3,9,3,Q,-,6,3,-
1,31,T,8,8,4,4,-,5,3,-
1,32,B,7,9,A,6,-,2,7,-
1,33,B,7,9,7,Q,-,8,A,-
1,34,B,0,8,6,4,-,T,8,-
1,35,P,6,4,T,5,A,7,7,-
1,36,B,3,8,K,T,3,8,6,4
1,37,B,0,7,5,5,Q,Q,7,-
1,38,P,7,4,Q,2,5,8,6,K
1,39,T,6,6,J,6,-,8,4,4
1,40,B,0,9,Q,K,-,9,T,-
1,41,P,8,1,3,5,-,5,6,-
1,42,P,6,4,6,J,-,Q,4,T
1,43,P,8,6,6,8,4,2,4,-
1,44,P,7,6,J,7,-,4,2,-
1,45,T,3,3,K,Q,3,Q,J,3
1,46,B,4,5,5,9,J,T,J,5
1,47,P,9,8,T,9,-,T,8,-
1,48,P,7,6,K,7,-,Q,6,-
1,49,B,1,3,2,9,J,Q,3,K
1,50,B,3,7,T,3,T,Q,7,-
1,51,P,7,6,J,2,5,7,9,-
1,52,B,3,6,8,6,9,K,2,4
1,53,P,7,6,J,7,-,A,2,3
1,54,B,1,8,7,4,-,7,A,-
1,55,B,2,8,2,T,-,7,A,-
1,56,T,1,1,2,9,K,A,K,T
1,57,T,7,7,K,5,2,9,8,-
1,58,B,7,9,A,6,-,5,4,-
1,59,B,0,2,3,9,8,2,K,K
1,60,B,0,7,3,2,5,5,2,-
1,61,T,8,8,8,T,-,8,T,-
1,62,B,2,7,K,3,9,8,9,-
1,63,B,5,9,9,6,J,3,7,9
1,64,P,6,0,2,9,5,A,9,K
1,65,B,3,4,J,T,3,5,9,J
1,66,P,9,0,9,T,-,J,K,-
1,67,P,3,1,A,A,A,Q,2,9
1,68,B,6,8,9,7,-,3,A,4
1,69,B,4,6,2,2,K,K,A,5
1,70,B,2,6,4,6,2,8,8,-
1,71,T,7,7,7,K,-,A,6,-
1,72,P,9,2,2,7,-,2,Q,-
1,73,B,0,8,A,9,T,T,2,6
1,74,P,8,7,8,K,-,6,A,-
1,75,P,9,0,6,3,-,9,A,-
1,76,T,9,9,9,Q,-,3,6,-
1,77,P,8,6,8,K,-,8,8,-
1,78,P,7,5,8,9,-,6,9,J
1,79,B,6,7,3,3,-,J,3,4
1,80,P,9,6,3,7,9,3,3,-
1,81,B,7,9,A,6,-,4,5,-
1,82,B,4,6,T,K,4,K,6,-



does the shuffle marker really important to set it at less than 13 or more than 13?
guido111
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May 5th, 2012 at 2:12:53 PM permalink
Quote: GamblingNoob

does the shuffle marker really important to set it at less than 13 or more than 13?

13 is the minimum, you can not go any lower, and 105 is the maximum.
That way one can adjust for a particular casino method if wanted.
Many casinos use a 14 card ribbon. I do not think 13 or 14 will really make a big difference.

Enjoy!
GamblingNoob
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May 5th, 2012 at 9:02:58 PM permalink
Quote: guido111

13 is the minimum, you can not go any lower, and 105 is the maximum.
That way one can adjust for a particular casino method if wanted.
Many casinos use a 14 card ribbon. I do not think 13 or 14 will really make a big difference.

Enjoy!



wait card ribbon is the # of card they burned right??

because i never heard of card ribbon what it is?

thanks
guido111
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May 5th, 2012 at 9:29:07 PM permalink
Quote: GamblingNoob

wait card ribbon is the # of card they burned right??

because i never heard of card ribbon what it is?

thanks

Burn cards are done after the 14 card ribbon.
Not all casinos do this but many still do that have a large Asian player base.
It will probably be a procedure that will eventually die.

After the shuffle, or new decks, and player cut the first 14 cards are spread out on the table, placed below the cut card and placed at the end of the decks then placed into the shoe, then the burn card is shown and the burn cards are removed.

It has been a focus on some Bac AP.
read more here and view some photos of the process.
The Baccarat Procedure That Advantage Players Love

For you to create Bac shoes like the Wizards using WinStats, just set the number of decks, the shuffle card value, 13 is default and is just fine to use.
GamblingNoob
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May 6th, 2012 at 9:21:26 AM permalink
Quote: guido111

Burn cards are done after the 14 card ribbon.
Not all casinos do this but many still do that have a large Asian player base.
It will probably be a procedure that will eventually die.

After the shuffle, or new decks, and player cut the first 14 cards are spread out on the table, placed below the cut card and placed at the end of the decks then placed into the shoe, then the burn card is shown and the burn cards are removed.

It has been a focus on some Bac AP.
read more here and view some photos of the process.
The Baccarat Procedure That Advantage Players Love

For you to create Bac shoes like the Wizards using WinStats, just set the number of decks, the shuffle card value, 13 is default and is just fine to use.



hi guido thanks for your help, last question in winstats i want to generate 1 million shoes.

at first i generate 10,000 and that work.

the second time, i try another 10,000 shoe, but the second time is the same as the first (it's duplicated i guess).

Can i fix this by going to

<edit
<random number
<change the amount of seed

will that work?
guido111
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May 6th, 2012 at 9:50:22 AM permalink
I have not had that kind of a problem, but yes, that is what the rng seed is there for.
The seed number used is appended to the text file that is created. That way you can look and see if another seed was used.

Currently the WinStats Baccarat program produces shoes and statistics only.
It is not a full simulator,yet, to play a shoe or shoes, using betting methods.
That may come later.
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