Casino Chip of the Day

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Someone said "follow the yellow brick road ". How quaint on the Wizard's Forums......

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Welcome back to the forum 2F!

Quote: Ayecarumba

So Konbu will have to go back?

Sigh, I had a long post last night bit it looks like it didn't go through.

For now the quick story is we went to Yellow brick casino last night. I have a few pictures of the place and chip bur I have to wait until on a computer to post it

Quick summary. Casino is small, chips are new, craps dealers not very good. Well I guess they did fine but there was so many middle bets that it took them so long to do the payouts. I really really did not like the layout of the table. The table was also very very bouncy. Not so much the felt but the diamond backing. There were many throws that would bounce the entire way back to the dealer.

Quote: GWAE

Sigh, I had a long post last night bit it looks like it didn't go through.

For now the quick story is we went to Yellow brick casino last night. I have a few pictures of the place and chip bur I have to wait until on a computer to post it

Quick summary. Casino is small, chips are new, craps dealers not very good. Well I guess they did fine but there was so many middle bets that it took them so long to do the payouts. I really really did not like the layout of the table. The table was also very very bouncy. Not so much the felt but the diamond backing. There were many throws that would bounce the entire way back to the dealer.

Is it "Oz" themed? MGM in Las Vegas used to have a whole diorama with life sized figures right in the entrance. I always thought that odd, since I don't know any gamblers that loved that movie enough to make it an attraction.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Is it "Oz" themed? MGM in Las Vegas used to have a whole diorama with life sized figures right in the entrance. I always thought that odd, since I don't know any gamblers that loved that movie enough to make it an attraction.

There was a little Oz type stuff but really not as much as you would think given the name. The building is yellow, the bricks in front of the building is yellow as well. When you walk in the front door there is a set up with lights and such that is made to look like a tornado. I believe they call their employees munchkins and some of the rooms were named Oz like names but that's about all I saw.

Quote: GWAE

There was a little Oz type stuff but really not as much as you would think given the name. The building is yellow, the bricks in front of the building is yellow as well. When you walk in the front door there is a set up with lights and such that is made to look like a tornado. I believe they call their employees munchkins and some of the rooms were named Oz like names but that's about all I saw.

If you look at their website they have slightly changed all the names or references to the Wizard of Oz since they don't have the rights to the characters or concepts from the movie. That's why you won't actually see Dorothy or the tin man etc.

Quote: PokerGrinder

If you look at their website they have slightly changed all the names or references to the Wizard of Oz since they don't have the rights to the characters or concepts from the movie. That's why you won't actually see Dorothy or the tin man etc.

They have "Tin Man Tuesdays" and "Dorothy's Dollars" promotions.

The characters from L. Frank Baum's book are public domain now. The likenesses from the MGM movie with Judy Garland are still copyrighted.

Quote: teddys

They have "Tin Man Tuesdays" and "Dorothy's Dollars" promotions.

The characters from L. Frank Baum's book are public domain now. The likenesses from the MGM movie with Judy Garland are still copyrighted.

Oh ok I just figured from looking at their chips. The $1 has the ruby slippers but they are white and the $5 has the lions tail but doesn't show the rest of him. I thought they were allowed to make things similar as long as they don't rip off the movie.

So while I was doing some research on where I need to stop at for the upcoming trip to vegas, I found out that Longhorn has a blue colored $1 chip since 2015 (http://www.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=NVLVL1)
I guess it's time to revisit the Longhorn in 3 weeks!
Also does anyone know if any other properties in Pahrump besides the Nugget has table games (not counting poker)?

Sorry, didn't know there was a Pahrump, so I had to google it.
Travel advisor has top 3 (of 10) attractions as:
1-winery tour
2-front site gun training grounds
3-some racing school (specializing in Corvettes)

Sounds like my kind-of place.
Drink some wine, grab a gun and a Corvette, and let er rip!

Quote: Konbu

...does anyone know if any other properties in Pahrump besides the Nugget has table games (not counting poker)?

Haven't been out there to check in a long time, but as shown here, they used to have chips at Saddle West. You might have to call them to find out.

Quote: Konbu

So while I was doing some research on where I need to stop at for the upcoming trip to vegas, I found out that Longhorn has a blue colored $1 chip since 2015 (http://www.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=NVLVL1)
I guess it's time to revisit the Longhorn in 3 weeks!
Also does anyone know if any other properties in Pahrump besides the Nugget has table games (not counting poker)?

I did know about the Longhorn chips, I had posted it here about 3-4 months back. I am actually staying there for a night before I head to Reno before spring fling since I needed a chip from the Longhorn anyways.

As far as Pahrump, the Nugget was the only one left with tables when I went in 2014. I have recently looked into all other gambling establishments there and as far as I can tell it is still only the Nugget that has tables.

Doc, Shorelines Casino Thousand Islands has new chips. They are posted on MoGH, I really like the new chips, very nice simple style.

Excellent! I've had that place on my list of chips to get since I was there last September 8. That night I picked up a chip for "1000 Islands Charity Casino" and one for "OLG Casino Thousand Islands," both of which were in play at the same table. The dealer told me that the casino was being sold and that they were to find out the next day who it was being sold to. Since it would no longer be part of OLG, I knew that there would eventually be new chips. Neither the MoGH site nor the casino's own site mentions just when it started operating under the new name.

The Shorelines web site has info about both this casino and Kawartha Downs, a racetrack with slots. They also have a page set up for a Belleville Casino, with just a note to "Check back here for exciting updates on Shorelines Casino Belleville." Do you know anything about that? The town of Belleville is west of Gananoque, maybe a third of the way to Toronto, so I'm guessing that's where they have in mind to open a casino. (Something seems to be messed up today with either my computer or the Google Maps web site, and I can't get it to search for places, show routes or distances, or do much of the usual stuff.)

Nope that is the same information that I got as well, I found the new website last night for both Shorelines Thousand Islands and Belleville.

Doc I have a beef to pick with you!!!

You forgot to do the year in review on March 15th :)

If that's the biggest complaint someone has against me today, I will be delighted!

Yes, it's leap year, and maybe I was trying to leap all the way to 2017 so that I could escape the political stuff. Anyway, as PokerGrinder has correctly pointed out, I failed to make my usual (roughly) annual notation on the anniversary of the 3/15/12 initiation of this thread. (That was 3/15 per Las Vegas time and just after midnight on the early morning of 3/16 in my own time zone.

Those rememberances have been posted: Here on 3/15/13, here on 3/17/14, and here on 3/15/15.

In those posts, I noted that our "of-the-day" thread had covered 326 casinos in the first 12 months, an improvement to 334 casinos in the second year, but just 130 casinos in the third year (perhaps because rdw4potus and I had already covered the low-hanging fruit.) In spite of the valiant efforts of PokerGrinder, Konbu, and a few other collectors, the annual "growth rate" has continued its negative tendency, with just 126 new casinos covered in the past 12.5 months (none in that latest half month), for a total of 916 chips and casinos documented, as listed in the index at post #1.

And no ban/suspension-worthy arguments yet, I thank you.

Edit: And still inching toward that million-views pinnacle -- standing at 981,561 as I type this.

Make that 981,562.

Way to pad the chip thread's stats 2F! 😄

Darn, I thought I would scare you Doc! You want to start a ban/suspension worthy argument? We could do something big, maybe even legendary?

The casinos posted this coming year is going to be a lot smaller too I think. I would be very surprised if we had 100 new chips this year. I will probably contribute a couple dozen this year but that's it. We have got all the low hanging fruit as you said and I think we have got all the medium hanging fruit too! The rest of the fruit requires a very tall ladder!

State: Washington
City: Mountlake Terrace
Casino: Red Dragon

The Red Dragon is the 2nd closest casino to my home, yet I finally got a chip from there a few weeks ago. Well technically it's just a card room. It has Spanish 21, Mini Baccarat, Pai Gow Poker, Texas Shootout, DJ Wild, and Blackjack. I went there to check out DJ Wild.

It is one of ten owned by Washington Gold Casinos.

Yes, this was the best chip I could find.

Quote: miplet

State: Washington
City: Mountlake Terrace
Casino: Red Dragon

The Red Dragon is the 2nd closest casino to my home, yet I finally got a chip from there a few weeks ago. Well technically it's just a card room. It has Spanish 21, Mini Baccarat, Pai Gow Poker, Texas Shootout, DJ Wild, and Blackjack. I went there to check out DJ Wild.

It is one of ten owned by Washington Gold Casinos.

Yes, this was the best chip I could find.

Haaaa. Not surprised that was the nicest chip you could find. All of those Shoreline card rooms are pretty dingy.

I once sat next to an elderly Asian gentleman at Red Dragon who appeared to be having some kind of breathing problem. He was still breathing, but was having a hard time answering questions and his extremities were turning that purple color that isn't good. It was scary; they called an ambulance for him. I think he had been gambling and smoking (outside) for many, many hours. I think he was fine. Sorry for the downer story.

I was going to mention something else...oh yeah, they used to have High Card Flush, but I didn't see it in your list. Replaced with DJ Wild?

Yes, no more High Card Flush.

Quote: Doc

... with just 126 new casinos covered in the past 12.5 months (none in that latest half month)....

So should I assume that if I just mention that there haven't been any new chips posted in a while, then someone will post a new one? That seems too easy.    ;-)


Edit 5/29/20: Member RideTheEdge posted images of a number of chips from Washington casinos here, including one from the Red Dragon, covered a few posts back from here.

Quote: Doc

So should I assume that if I just mention that there haven't been any new chips posted in a while, then someone will post a new one? That seems too easy.    ;-)

That's a neat magic trick Doc.

Quote: Doc

So should I assume that if I just mention that there haven't been any new chips posted in a while, then someone will post a new one? That seems too easy.    ;-)

I might be adventurous and get a few more chips next month. I have vacaction in May, so it might not be until then.

Quote: miplet

I might be adventurous and get a few more chips next month. I have vacaction in May, so it might not be until then.

not to derail, but does that mean you're not coming down in April? You'll be missed if so.

Nice post miplet, I like the graphic of the dragon. Very dirty chip, I wonder if it would look less old with a clean up.

Interesting news coming out today about the currently closed Ultra New Town Tavern. Take a look: http://vegas.eater.com/2016/2/26/11118486/legendary-town-tavern-to-return-as-the-tokyo-casino

When I posted years ago about my visit to the Silver Saddle and my low confidence in the safety of such an outing, pacomartin posted a couple of times about the Ultra New Town Tavern, here and here, and maybe later in that thread. Check out those posts and decide whether you really want to go there.

Quote: beachbumbabs

not to derail, but does that mean you're not coming down in April? You'll be missed if so.

We have to put our vacation requests in for the year by the end of October. Besides I really only budget 1 trip per year and I visited my brother at the beginning m of March. Should be there for G2E.

Quote: miplet

State: Washington
City: Mountlake Terrace
Casino: Red Dragon

It seems like we haven't seen a Top Hat and Cane in quite some time, and a reverse example to boot. Thanks Miplet!

I have some alternate examples from casinos already on the list. Shall I post them?

Quote: Doc

When I posted years ago about my visit to the Silver Saddle and my low confidence in the safety of such an outing, pacomartin posted a couple of times about the Ultra New Town Tavern, here and here, and maybe later in that thread. Check out those posts and decide whether you really want to go there.

I have actually read that thread before and if the Ultra New Town Tavern reopened with chips or renamed with chips I would definitely go. As I mentioned a couple weeks ago I will be going to the Silver Saddle Saloon to grab a chip in two weeks which you are still more than welcome to join in on if you want to get a clay chip to replace your token.

This will stray off the shoulder of the main highway of chip collecting in this thread. Destined to be too long as soon as I say a word, don't read, no chips to see here, move along for more appropriately topical things. Apologies in advance.

Quote: PokerGrinder

Quote: Doc

When I posted years ago about my visit to the Silver Saddle and my low confidence in the safety of such an outing, pacomartin posted a couple of times about the Ultra New Town Tavern, here and here, and maybe later in that thread. Check out those posts and decide whether you really want to go there.

I have actually read that thread before and if the Ultra New Town Tavern reopened with chips or renamed with chips I would definitely go. As I mentioned a couple weeks ago I will be going to the Silver Saddle Saloon to grab a chip in two weeks which you are still more than welcome to join in on if you want to get a clay chip to replace your token.

If that should ever happen, rattle my cage for one guy's scouting report to add to the data points you may have from others. I was in it quite a few times (under two of the former incarnations of it) as I have friends in that neighborhood. I'll go read those links after posting this, and I'm sure I'll find it more than a little interesting and probably also learn some more tidbits & stuff about a place that always had a peculiar fascination for me.

But briefly (yes this really is the brief version) here's the thing from my point of view on a very general level. It mattered to my experience of sometimes hanging out in that venerable place that I had a bunch of longstanding personal connections in the alphabet & president street 'hood around Jackson & "F" Street as well as "Northtown" (not exactly the same thing to people living there). Because in a way that old neighborhood, while very seriously troubled in a number of ways for a long time, could also be described as by far the most 'stable' in a sense in the metro area, in that so many of the old houses around there are occupied by descendants of the very same family that has always been there for three generations. And in fact that exactly describes my friend who was kind enough to raise my comfort level by bringing me in the first time (I really didn't need to do that but she was happy and amused to volunteer to be a good humored antidote to my very specific chronic case of "White-Guy-Syndrome" about actually going inside that one place).

What this means, at least in my reckoning of it, is that this distinct part of town (which from my reading and also some discussion with 'WestLV' old timers was actually created with the deliberate intent of keeping the people in it physically isolated from the rest of the then railroad town community) is quite insular, and socially a lot like a small town, but in the middle of a city. And everybody who 'belongs' knows everybody else and all about the business of everyone who does, and is completely aware of the occasional presence of anyone who doesn't., and will be checking them out. Even if this is usually surreptitiously and politely done in my experience. Especially in that little scruffy institution smaller than some casino-resort restrooms that was for so long the central clubhouse of sorts of folks who are acutely aware of not having been welcomed elsewhere, other than to clean up after others and leave. For whatever little this take on it may be worth to y'all, I brightened up a bit at the excuse to recall a bit of it.

I'll shut up and go read those other descriptions and whatnot in the links. I'm sure I'll enjoy the virtual journey. And no, I never got a chip. The poker table (singular I'm told) was never there when I was. Or, maybe the gents closed the door to their game and dimmed the light when the community grapevine announced the imminent approach of the habitual guest (I don't really believe that, but it isn't wildly off-base for a place that drew > 99% of their trade from folks who were born and live in walking distance of that streetcorner and most often got there that way).

EDIT to add: I was rambling on about the 'New Town Tavern' and environs. Silver Saddle is a place I choose to glance at over my shoulder as I motor by it as quickly as possible, so I don't know beans from Shinola about the innards of that.

Interesting writing DrawingDead, I enjoyed reading that.

Doc I found some new information about the Bellville casino. Groundbreaking on Shorelines Casino Bellville is on April 27, 2016. I am guessing it will open next spring or maybe summer.

State: Nevada
City: Laughlin
Casino: Tropicana Laughlin

I have visited Laughlin, NV at least six times, with the first visit being (I think) in 2008. In August 2012, I posted in this thread my chip from the Tropicana Express casino there, but I'm not sure on which visit I obtained it. In that post, I gave a bit of the history of the establishment (check it out), beginning with its origins as a Ramada, continuing with the name change to Tropicana Express, and discussing issues of the bankruptcies and split-up of the Tropicana casinos. I mentioned that in 2010 (perhaps before and perhaps after I had collected the chip) the name had apparently been changed again, that time to "Tropicana Laughlin." I said I would stop by again just a week later, which I did, but they were still using Tropicana Express chips, two years after the name change.

Late last year, PokerGrinder alerted me to the fact that they had finally started using chips with the casino's current name. As part of the just-completed WoV 2016 Spring Fling, several of us collectors went down to Laughlin to collect one more souvenir each. PokerGrinder and Konbu made a very-late-night, round-trip jaunt on Friday/Saturday, and I went down there for Monday night before returning home. Yes, they do have new chips, but I really don't have anything more to report about the place, other than perhaps to note that I managed to net +$125 at a $5 craps table there and another +$135 a few hours later at Harrah's. Two positive sessions to end a very nice Spring Fling trip! Oh, yes, at the Tropicana Laughlin, they had a band playing in a venue just off the floor when I was there just after 6:00 p.m. Good music, but far too loud for being right against the gaming tables.

The chip itself is a white RHC Paulson design with three simi-circular edge inserts in dark blue. The center inlay is mostly a combination of blue and black. The Tropicana name is partly in green and partly in white on green background spots, apparently in a manner to emphasize the abbreviated name of "Trop". (Chips from the establishment in Greenville, MS just say "Trop Casino".) Both sides of this chip are the same, and nothing on it fluoresces under UV light.

Did you see the flag that Konbu and I planted there to prove to you that we were there first? I am not competitive at all, I promise lol. I just got home and will post my new chips sometime in the next week as I have some family dinners/holidays this week and I don't know if I will have time to do it. I think I mentioned to you that I love the design of this chip and I think it has moved into my top 50 chips. Only top 50 because at this point I have so many that I can't narrow it down far enough.

Nope, didn't see the "flag", but I did my best to confirm in my post that the two of you collected your new chips before I got there to get mine, as well as the notion that you were the one who clued me in to their availability. I figured that if you were going to post a gazillion chips from your trip, I ought to be able to post the solitary item I added to my collection on this trip.

Today, I hope to be able to rearrange the entire collection on my desktop -- including the non-official-collection gift chip from you to be added on the desktop edge with the older ones. Rearranging the collection in the proper sequence and in an ordered array takes me a while. I have been lazy and haven't yet done that to include the cruise ship chips I picked up in January or even the Harrah's Cherokee Valley River chip I picked up when rdw4potus and I and our +1s visited there way back last October.

Haha no worries Doc, I just like bugging you. My plan all along was to have you post the new Tropicana chip seeing as this is your thread. :)

On another note rearranging your chips does not sound like fun. I am about to clean my chips and sort them into the chip racks and I don't even want to do that, don't mind rearranging a whole desktop.

Quote: PokerGrinder

Haha no worries Doc, I just like bugging you.

It's not as if that hasn't gone in both directions! For those of you who were not at the recent McNugget challenge (The Wizard's video report is here), during PokerGrinder's mandatory 10-minute period of proving he could hold it all down, I began telling him about my uncle Raaallllphhhh who had a dog that would go "Aaarrrrffff Aaarrrrffff." Dear kind PokerGrinder came over, put his arm around my shoulders, and announced that even in his state at that moment, he was bigger and stronger than I am.

Anyway, I did finish rearranging the chips on my desktop today, and I thought I would once again post an image of the entire set. Of course, a display of a collection of 456 casino chips doesn't really look much different from a collection of 450 chips, but I thought I would try to keep things reasonably current.

As with almost all of my chip images, clicking on this one should take you to a larger image, and clicking on that one should give it to you as a full-size image that you can scroll around, if the mood strikes you. The last time I posted such an image was last September, and it is located here, along with a number of the earlier images of the collection. I'm not going to repeat all of that in this post.

PokerGrinder's gift chip from the Casinos of Winnipeg is on the extreme right, fifth chip down. It is outside of the main array, because I do not treat gift chips as part of "my collection" that I gathered on my own.

That is beautiful doc!

You should ask that wonderful fiancée to set up your collection like this. I'm sure she would just love the opportunity.

;-)

She loves the idea of putting the chips under glass. We just need the room for a nice big desk/table. And a couple hundred more chips...

Quote: rdw4potus

That is beautiful doc!

Indeed, magnificent.
I can see patterns in the patterns of chips.
Saw something else, like the big one. Take a closer look for yourself.

I'm glad Doc did not arrange the text to face one way. That would be painstaking.

Thanks for the updated image Doc. I note a concentration of blue chips, and what appears to be a concentration of white chips on the left. I also note that there are metal tokens sprinkled throughout. Is there a plan to the update?

The array on my desktop is arranged pretty much the same way as the index to this thread. Each state/category has the chips in alphabetical order in columns. The progression of categories is left to right on the desk, with a chip from the Apache Gold casino in Arizona in the upper left corner. The darkish section in the middle and slightly to the right represents the state of Nevada, which seems to offer more colorful "whites" than most other places.

As for tokens, yes, I have a total of 21 casino tokens on the desktop. Of those, 17 are part of "my collection" and shown in the main array, while the 4 on the right edge are from the same casinos that are represented by clay chips in the array. Only occasionally have I specifically gone back to casinos to collect a chip to replace a token -- I didn't feel that Caesars Palace and the Hard Rock in Las Vegas were properly represented by the "slot tokens" that were in play as $1 chips at the tables when I made my first visits. I think PokerGrinder planned to revisit some Las Vegas area casinos during his Spring Fling adventures to get real chips to replace his tokens -- he mentioned Longhorn, I think. I didn't bother doing that. Some of my tokens may be from casinos that don't even exist any more.

A couple of tokens from the Caribbean were in play and collected at casinos different from what it says on the token -- a not-uncommon situation on the islands. For example, on my first visit to the Seaport casino in Aruba, I picked up a token that said it was from the Alhambra casino on the same island. On a later visit, I was able to purchase a Seaport chip at the cashier's window while the tables weren't open. I also eventually wound up with two Alhambra clay chips, one as a gift and one that I picked up at the Divi Flamingo casino in Bonaire at the same time I picked up a $5 Divi Flamingo chip. I still haven't made it to the Alhambra when the tables were open, but the duplication of Alhambra chip/token makes that token one of my "extras". I also picked up a $1 token from the Crystal casino on one visit to Aruba then a $5 clay chip on a subsequent visit, giving another "extra" token.

I can't really claim to have much of a plan for updating the collection other than trying to visit new and re-named casinos in areas that are plausibly-reasonable to include in our travels, meaning that my wife will allow that itinerary and stop. Basically, the casino has to be located somewhat near a place that she would like to visit.

Quote: Doc

Basically, the casino has to be located somewhat near a place that she would like to visit.

So is that a no to driving randomly around MI, WI, MN, IL, SD and ND? RDW will be very disappointed.

P.S after my chip collecting last week I now I have every currently available chip in Nevada. Over/under that lasting for more than a month? I have 3 casinos that I think will require collecting within the next 4-5 months. Nevada changes too quickly.

Quote: PokerGrinder

So is that a no to driving randomly around MI, WI, MN, IL, SD and ND? RDW will be very disappointed.

I'd say that's a big affirmative. Yesterday, we were having preliminary discussions about other trips to make this year, beginning with a possible trip in May to Mississippi and Florida. That trip could involve collecting chips from Bok Homa, Scarlet Pearl, and maybe even WaterView if the name change is complete and I have an indication that chips would be available. Last I read, the completion date was described as "a floating date in May."

Some time this summer, we will visit relatives in NJ and MA, and I have broached the topic of heading west from MA to pick up a chip from the Yellow Brick Road casino you told me about in Chittenango, NY. If we do that, it raises the question of whether we should head north from there to collect one from the renamed Shorelines Casino Thousand Islands or wait a year or so and cover Shorelines Casino Belleville on the same trip.

As part of that discussion, I mentioned the upcoming changes at the casinos in Cleveland and Columbus, OH, which we visited on a trip home from Niagara Falls. I'm not sure when new chips are supposed to be available at those facilities, and I might be pressing my luck to suggest that those places are really "on our way home" from MA to NC. Because of that, I mentioned the possibility of a future trip to Ohio, extended as far as Toledo, Detroit, and Windsor, but I haven't checked out what all casinos might be in that region, and I haven't really developed enough of a death wish to suggest that such a trip should go nearly so far as the sites you suggest.

Quote: PokerGrinder

So is that a no to driving randomly around MI, WI, MN, IL, SD and ND? RDW will be very disappointed.

Agreed. These areas are great driving, especially in late summer.

BTW, in the very first post of this thread, I have not only the original introductory remarks and the first half of the thread index but also a series of "subsequent edit" comments. Right now, the last one of those says:

Quote: Doc

(7) To date, the total number of casinos represented in this thread (subject to errors I make in keeping track of this) is 919.

That figure represents a correction based on an error that PokerGrinder just pointed out to me -- I had omitted from the index the chip that rdw4potus had posted from the Wendover Nugget back in November 2012.

I appreciate PokerGrinder's attention to completeness in this thread, whether it is by adding chips or by pointing out my oversights. I will appreciate any other omissions that any of you can reveal: If you happen to notice a chip that is posted in this thread as a Casino Chip of the Day but is not shown in the index, please, please, please let me know.

On a slightly-related note, this thread is currently listed as having had 989,975 views, or ~1,077 views per official CCotD posted. Still working toward being the first thread (I think) with a million views and zero serious conflicts or suspensions generated.

Couple things Doc.
- you didn't really view the thread a couple hundred thou just to run up the count, did ya ;-?
- you really did push the ' push to open ' button you photo'd didn't ya? What happened?
- PM me the Wiz AP tip move, I think I can guess, but want to know I'm right, or not.

Keep up the good work. 2F