Roulette computers

Hi

I was just wondering if roulette computers actually work in the modern days, as in many countries/regions in Europe they are not illegal to use (though casino will throw you out for using one) so I was thinking maybe trying to acquire one.

It's easy to find pages of Steven Hourmouzis and Mark Anthony Howe but all they seem to do is bash each other...

Gambling Devices in action

not just roulette, theres also a blackjack computer on show.

I do not reccomend using them. It will lead to you being blacklisted in most places.

If European casinos will kick you out for using it, I gotta assume it's because they work. Or at least change the odds enough to make them a threat.

Does that answer the question?


FYI: Every casino I've gone to here in the USA does not allow you to use any electronic devices. So the game stops if you're on a cell phone until you're done or move away from the table. No texting either.

I am probably the only one here who was contracted to work on developing a roulette computer in the mid 1980's. The argument is that with some laser readings on the speed of the ball you can place a last minute bet and reduce your betting to some portion of the wheel, significantly increasing your odds. He gave me a number of readings that he had collected at different casinos (at great personal pain). My conclusion was the idea was mathematically unsound and would never be viable. Of course, he paid me and hired a different mathematician who would tell him the idea was sound.
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It would also take a fairly large co-operative effort to hide your efforts. You would need people to come and go since the casino would notice a consistent effort at placing last minute wagers in an unusual manner.

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If European casinos will kick you out for using it, I gotta assume it's because they work. Or at least change the odds enough to make them a threat.

I don't that is a valid conclusion. Casinos don't want you to be using devices period. Security's job is not to determine how well they work. It's sort of like the airline not wanting you to use electronic devices during take of and landing. They want to establish a lega principal, because someday there may be a device that could actually interfere with an airplane electronics. It is extremely unlikely that present day cell phones are capable, but they don't want to wait for a plane crash to make that evaluation.

So, something that would work in a way that the user gives input to the computer when the ball is passing certain part of the wheel would not work as advertised by Mark Howe or others? Where I live this kind of machine would be easy to use as I have access to many "mini casinos" that aren't really casinos at all but just places that offer roulette and some slot machines and the security is pretty much non-existent (so if such a machine would exist, I would probably be able to make money with it considering the circumstances).

A roulette computer was dramatized on the TV show "Las Vegas" in the episode Can You See What I See which aired on 7 February 2005 (Season 2, Episode 16).

THEORETICALLY
You set up a laser beam to measure the decay rate of the roulette ball. You calculate the expected position for the ball to land with a hand held computer. At the last minute you throw a bet down in the segment of the roulette wheel that you think it will end. When I worked on the system in the 1980's, the laser developer thought that he could predict which half (or possibly) which 2/3 of the wheel where the ball would land. Based on this information he dramatically improves the odds of winning in his favor.

In the TV series typically they stretch the efficiency of the cheat so that he has it down to about 6 possible numbers. Instead of carrying a computer on them, they wire the information to their car where a computer calculates the odds and signal back via a cell phone device. It required two people since one must hold the laser and communicate with the computer, while the second gets a signal and places the last minute bets. The 2nd player puts multiple bets to cover those numbers. Casino security catch the cheat in the TV series by turning on infrared and picking up the laser beam and arrest him.

I saw one website will no longer sell the devices, instead they are looking for players that they can train in exchange for a 50/50 split. I assume that the player supplies the stake, and if he loses the first time they dissolve the partnership. If he wins they split the winnings.

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A roulette computer was dramatized on the TV show "Las Vegas" in the episode Can You See What I See which aired on 7 February 2005 (Season 2, Episode 16).

In the first season of "Mission: Impossible" the team does something similar. The computer is contained in a purse (!) and the display is a wrist-watch, which lets you know the exact number (!!) the ball will land on. I don't recall how the ball's speed and position were measured.

What can I say? The series was aptly named: much of what they do is imopssible.

The casino, a small establishment in Europe belongnig to an arms dealer, never catches on (though they close a Baccarat table where the other half of the team was scamming). IN the end they scam the arms dealer off the money he'd have used to pay off a supplier.

But it's funny. That's a mid-1960s show, after all. Once they hid a video camera in a _huge_ painter's tool kit. Now they hide a sophisticated computer with wireless connections in a purse? That's roll on the floor funny!

Of course, audiences at the time were somewhat familiar with TV cameras. Few people had ever seen a real, live computer.

There is a lot of suppliers selling roulette computer prediction devices these days, most work and its easy to see that they are working!
What is more important is the degree of predictive ability these devices have, just like using your eyes to predict using Visual Ballistics similar to what Laurence Scott advocated in the early 1990s, its more critical how early you can predict and predicting the final scatter.
Many of the suppliers only predict spins with very few rotations left of the ball and with hardly any ball scatter after it strikes the rotor making predictions very easy to believe on their videos.
What the customer then finds out is that when they come to try these devices in the real world, they work, but either predict late or do not take the scatter into account properly.
I would like to add that after visiting several suppliers of such equipment and looking at their videos, the only genuine supplier was in Fact Mark Howe mentioned above.
Check his videos out yourself, he points at the wheel indicating where the computer has predicted which means its not voiced over. He uses standard balls with scatter you find in real casinos. I don't want to endorse the guy, but he were the only supplier that allowed a team of scientists, mathematicians and " The Guardian Newspaper" to visit him and apparently gave them a successful demonstration. He's even placed the roulette computer in a tooth! I use to work in the casino industry, so I am not easily led down the garden path when it comes to peoples claims of beating roulette. I am sure more genuine suppliers will appear at some point, but the casinos might have changed the rules by then? Its a shame that many internet criminals have jumped on the band wagon claiming they have similar products. Caveat Emptor!