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teliot
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October 16th, 2012 at 4:17:26 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I very strongly do not recommend an airhorn. If you cause them actual auditory damage, then they could have a civil against you, especially given that their profession hinges strongly on their ability to hear.

You're kidding, right? "Profession?" You mean, professional crook?
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Besides, the whole thing is automated. Absent not working there, they had no choice but to call you.

They had a choice. They can look for a legal job in a legitimate company. Everyone has a choice to not break the law.
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The recipient of the call is punishing someone who would rather work than be on welfare and doing absolutely nothing to the entity calling them.

There is also plenty of work available selling drugs, prostitution, stealing, not to mention the far more lucrative white collar crime.

Your misunderstanding seems to be based on the assumption that these people are soliciting for legitimate companies. That is false. They are scammers who are going after personal and private information with the intention of committing fraud.

Read this: Phone Call Scams

Common Phone Scams:

Buying Club Memberships
Charities & Fundraising Fraud
Credit & Loan Offers
Government Grant Scams
Identity Theft & Telemarketing
Medical Discount Plans
Reloading Scams
Robocalls
Sweepstakes & Lotteries
Travel Scams
Work-at-Home & Business Opportunities
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Mission146
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October 16th, 2012 at 4:45:38 PM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

They call from a number that doesnt exist... I would rather them work in a methlab or grow some weed. They know full well they are violating the law. I would love to give one of them ear damage as the company would have to disclose their address and the employers name and address....they would never do it. They take advantage of the stupid and the elderly at best and are stealing credit card numbers and SS#'s at the worst. It is 100% illegal The air horn wont work unfortunately as the modern headphones will dampen noises like that.



1.) If you request to be put on a specific company's DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

2.) If you inform them that you are on the national DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

3.) Sharp tip, tell them they are calling a cell phone, that will get you off of there more quickly.

4.) I do not see how they can all be stealing credit cards when some of them are calling to sell you a credit card.

5.) They are probably not violating the law, most are careful about this. If you get called by the same company after DNC request, chances are it is a different company (read: contractor) calling you, you just get shifted from the list they send to one contractor to a list that goes to another. The company for whom the calls are being made often does not directly make any such calls.
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Nareed
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October 16th, 2012 at 4:47:07 PM permalink
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They had a choice. They can look for a legal job in a legitimate company. Everyone has a choice to not break the law.



Telemarketing is a legitimate job. Sure, the calls are annoying, but if sales were not produced as a result, you can bet there would be no telemarketers at all.

I must admit something else. My first credit card was a result of a telemarketer's call offering one. Prior to that I'd been turned down by several banks. so it was a nice change to have a bank, or a seller for the bank, offer one.

There are scams, too, no question. But they pale in comparison with the scams, extortion and fake ransom calls that are en vogue in Mexico right now.
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Mission146
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October 16th, 2012 at 4:47:59 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

You're kidding, right? "Profession?" You mean, professional crook?



You have to be really good at the job if you want to last longer than a month. They are also not all crooks.

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They had a choice. They can look for a legal job in a legitimate company. Everyone has a choice to not break the law.
There is also plenty of work available selling drugs, prostitution, stealing, not to mention the far more lucrative white collar crime.



The call center at which I supervised was contracted by Discover Financial Services and Political Campaigns, we did not do anything illegal during my time there.

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Your misunderstanding seems to be based on the assumption that these people are soliciting for legitimate companies. That is false. They are scammers who are going after personal and private information with the intention of committing fraud.



Again, not all of them.


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Buying Club Memberships
Charities & Fundraising Fraud
Credit & Loan Offers
Government Grant Scams
Identity Theft & Telemarketing
Medical Discount Plans
Reloading Scams
Robocalls
Sweepstakes & Lotteries
Travel Scams
Work-at-Home & Business Opportunities



I know all about them, and assure you, they made our legitimate solicitations much more difficult.
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Scotty71
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October 16th, 2012 at 5:34:42 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

1.) If you request to be put on a specific company's DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

2.) If you inform them that you are on the national DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

3.) Sharp tip, tell them they are calling a cell phone, that will get you off of there more quickly.

4.) I do not see how they can all be stealing credit cards when some of them are calling to sell you a credit card.

5.) They are probably not violating the law, most are careful about this. If you get called by the same company after DNC request, chances are it is a different company (read: contractor) calling you, you just get shifted from the list they send to one contractor to a list that goes to another. The company for whom the calls are being made often does not directly make any such calls.



Mission when I said card services I wasn't talking about a legit company like discover a bank or even a window company. These guys have a recorded message that leads on to believe they are calling from your card company but they aren't. The number they call from cant be blocked. They also make in the intro message sound like you can opt out from calls in the future.... I tried that the fist 10-20 times they called. when that didn't work i waited for the guy on the phone and I said politely to put me on the DNC because their computer must not be working...he told me to f off and hung up. These guys need to go to prison. I have no beef with telemarketer as most of us have had to try it at least once in our lives. They are hurting people who can least afford it im sure
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Scotty71
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October 16th, 2012 at 5:34:48 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

1.) If you request to be put on a specific company's DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

2.) If you inform them that you are on the national DNC List, they have thirty days to comply.

3.) Sharp tip, tell them they are calling a cell phone, that will get you off of there more quickly.

4.) I do not see how they can all be stealing credit cards when some of them are calling to sell you a credit card.

5.) They are probably not violating the law, most are careful about this. If you get called by the same company after DNC request, chances are it is a different company (read: contractor) calling you, you just get shifted from the list they send to one contractor to a list that goes to another. The company for whom the calls are being made often does not directly make any such calls.



Mission when I said card services I wasn't talking about a legit company like discover a bank or even a window company. These guys have a recorded message that leads on to believe they are calling from your card company but they aren't. The number they call from cant be blocked. They also make in the intro message sound like you can opt out from calls in the future.... I tried that the fist 10-20 times they called. when that didn't work i waited for the guy on the phone and I said politely to put me on the DNC because their computer must not be working...he told me to f off and hung up. These guys need to go to prison. I have no beef with telemarketer as most of us have had to try it at least once in our lives. They are hurting people who can least afford it im sure
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Mission146
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October 16th, 2012 at 6:18:39 PM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

Mission when I said card services I wasn't talking about a legit company like discover a bank or even a window company. These guys have a recorded message that leads on to believe they are calling from your card company but they aren't. The number they call from cant be blocked. They also make in the intro message sound like you can opt out from calls in the future.... I tried that the fist 10-20 times they called. when that didn't work i waited for the guy on the phone and I said politely to put me on the DNC because their computer must not be working...he told me to f off and hung up. These guys need to go to prison. I have no beef with telemarketer as most of us have had to try it at least once in our lives. They are hurting people who can least afford it im sure



Oh, those calls.

You're absolutely right, entirely criminal and not compliant with FTC or FCC guidelines. They're probably calling from overseas, though, exempts them from virtually everything.
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RaleighCraps
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October 16th, 2012 at 7:43:05 PM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

Mission when I said card services I wasn't talking about a legit company like discover a bank or even a window company. These guys have a recorded message that leads on to believe they are calling from your card company but they aren't. The number they call from cant be blocked. They also make in the intro message sound like you can opt out from calls in the future.... I tried that the fist 10-20 times they called. when that didn't work i waited for the guy on the phone and I said politely to put me on the DNC because their computer must not be working...he told me to f off and hung up. These guys need to go to prison. I have no beef with telemarketer as most of us have had to try it at least once in our lives. They are hurting people who can least afford it im sure



Yep,
"Hi, this is Rachel from cardholder services calling to let you know you can consolidate your credit card debt, AND save money doing so. blah blah. Press 1 to speak to an agent, or press 6 to remove your number from our calling list."

I read someplace that an automated calling machine has to have a way for you to opt out of the calls. This outfit is violating that law in that they give you an opt out path that is non functional. Pure scam. And I must have talked to the same jerk that scotty talked to, because I got the same message. That was when I decided to start jerking them around. I did feel bad at first, but then I realized they do have a choice, and they do know they are not legit, so they deserve it.
You should hear them perk up when you tell them you have $28,000 out on 4 different cards! I could hear the salivating on the other end of the phone. But then I couldn't quite make out the digits on the card. It was faded. I was trying to feel the raised numbers, but my fingers were cold. Hang on, I need to go run some warm water over them. I'll be right back.

I think I just thought of the next WoV contest!

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/02/13071465-feds-cracking-down-on-rachel-other-illegal-robocallers?lite
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WongBo
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October 16th, 2012 at 8:02:50 PM permalink
Could this tangent be split off?
This thread has been hijacked.
Come on Mission, I thought you were the hot shot new moderator around here....
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RaleighCraps
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October 16th, 2012 at 8:10:09 PM permalink
Hijacked with cause.
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