What would the Strip Casinos do...
Would they pay to make you stop doing that? Would they secretly pay someone to beat you up?
I'm not talking about specific ways to play, just general info, like game x, with a specific location is a good or terrible bargain. Or perhaps info, like, if you want to play a Js or better progressive VP, play this other specific game in this other place or area of the casino.
With an uniformed public, casinos have no pressure to offer better games there.
It's kind of like bringing some of the info off gambling sites straight to the sidewalks. Hmm, of course, a gambling site could be advertised on the handout.
If a player was seeking the proper knowledge of good games, he would have already found wizardofodds.com or a technical resource; if he is disinterested, he would ignore it.
There are many within the public who know good games (mostly local players), and provide the force to change things, along with writers at internet sites.
As for the others, they deserve to have their fun as they see fit.
Those who aspire to rise will rise in knowledge.
For those who wish to remain ignorant nothing can be done anyway, and they will get the punishment they deserve.
Quote: PaigowdanI think it would do little.
If a player was seeking the proper knowledge of good games, he would have already found wizardofodds.com or a technical resource; if he is disinterested, he would ignore it.
There are many within the public who know good games (mostly local players), and provide the force to change things, along with writers at internet sites.
As for the others, they deserve to have their fun as they see fit.
Those who aspire to rise will rise in knowledge.
For those who wish to remain ignorant nothing can be done anyway, and they will get the punishment they deserve.
You can lead a horse to water....
No.
> Would they secretly pay someone to beat you up?
No.
Besides, such things already exist INSIDE the casinos. Often someone will go up to a slot player and say X machine is about to hit we will press the secret buttons for you if you agree to give us half the winnings.
Oh... and don't forget the guy who stands out there and hands out pamphlets about the oxygen pumping.
Quote: rxwine...if someone stood on the Strip (somewhat like a porn slapper), and handed out a free page of lists of games (video, table, etc.) that pointed out what the biggest rip off games* and best games people should play or avoid at the surrounding casinos.
Would they pay to make you stop doing that? Would they secretly pay someone to beat you up?
Did you just watch an episode of "The Sopranos" or something?
But when the horse gets there, he's liable to doubt that the water tastes good.Quote: ncfatcatYou can lead a horse to water....
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If you hand out such information, the average person will not bother to read it. Those that do will not believe it.
Getting someone to believe one machine is better than another is going to take far too much thinking.
And you're talking about a public that will willingly play 6:5 blackjack.
So maybe I am not that much different than the people just having fun not caring about rules or advantages.
Quote: rxwineWould they pay to make you stop doing that? Would they secretly pay someone to beat you up?
Meaningless. People play craps all the time. Nearly every craps players knows that the lowest possible house edge is to play "Don't Pass" with maximum free odds. Or only very slightly worse is to play "Pass line" with maximum free odds. Even if you know that, people make proposition bets all the time.
Casinos get angry at somebody like the Wizard who tells reporters that the slot games with heavy production costs (like Sex and the City) often have larger house edges. The developers spent a bundle to make these games alluring, they get upset at someone who states the obvious that these development costs have to be made up somehow.
In other words, don't hold your breath.
Quote: rxwine...if someone stood on the Strip (somewhat like a porn slapper), and handed out a free page of lists of games (video, table, etc.) that pointed out what the biggest rip off games* and best games people should play or avoid at the surrounding casinos.
Would they pay to make you stop doing that? Would they secretly pay someone to beat you up?
I'm not talking about specific ways to play, just general info, like game x, with a specific location is a good or terrible bargain. Or perhaps info, like, if you want to play a Js or better progressive VP, play this other specific game in this other place or area of the casino.
With an uniformed public, casinos have no pressure to offer better games there.
It's kind of like bringing some of the info off gambling sites straight to the sidewalks. Hmm, of course, a gambling site could be advertised on the handout.
If the public became more informed, we'd all pay for it with tighter games and machines.
lucky. They want to not have to think when they
play. Never wise up a chump.
Quote: PaigowdanIf a player was seeking the proper knowledge of good games, he would have already found wizardofodds.com or ....
Now there is a comment that made me think along a different path:
I am confident that I learned about wizardofvegas.com from something on wizardofodds.com, lurked a while, and then joined. But I have no idea of just how/when I first discovered wizardofodds.com. I still have a copy of an email response that the Wizard provided to one of my questions in April 2006, so I expect I was a regular reader well before that. Do others here remember how you first found these sites? (Ooops. Shouldn't ask a question that could hijack a thread.)
I know some people get upset when they pay for $5 coffee (instead of 3 or something), or find out that they just spent a couple more dollars for something than they needed to, even some of the Mitt Romneys of the world. And what's with black Friday, and people willing to wait outside stores and willing to save maybe a hundred bucks on something, yet they won't be interested in a bargain presented up front to them, you say when they may be spending more than that? You mean, if there are two hotdog stands across the street and one says $1.00 and the other .95 cents, people will not choose the .95?
What are you telling me, only people here in Vegas on the Strip will pay no attention to a deal spelled out to them in basic terms, like this game here returns .97 cents to every dollar versus one that returns .94? (for example)
Until about 5 months ago, Belterra actually stood on soft 17 at EVERY table, regardless of denom. They were basically the last casino in Indiana to have ALL tables S17. In an effort to gain some Horseshoe customers (who, in general, are a slightly higher breed of table game player) they actively advertised on billboards on the drive to the Shoe about how they Stand on all 17s. I saw NUMEROUS signs promoting this.
I'm guessing that people just don't care, and didn't make the drive up there to take advantage of the better rules. And this shows that a handbill thing in Vegas would get about the same response. Now Belterra hits soft 17, although there is still one $5 21+3 table that S17. High limit still stands, but that's standard in Indiana.
Half the people passing think its better for the house and the other half were looking at the road.
Quote: FleaStiffDid they say "we stand on all 17s" or "we stand on all 17s which is X-percentage better for the players".
Half the people passing think its better for the house and the other half were looking at the road.
Well, the fact that they were targeting Horseshoe customers leads me to believe they don't have to say how much of a percentage its better for the player. You didn't see that kind of signage up near Hollywood, it was only on routes to/from Louisville between Horseshoe and Belterra. I get what you're saying; there is a faction of the BJ public who thinks its better to Hit, but to me the campaign was so blatantly after a higher-brow table game player that it basically was the same.
And the effect was exactly the same too... the house now hits soft 17 at Belterra, and there's no less action on games there.
Quote: teddysI've said this before, but standing on S17 is one of the dumbest things a casino manager can do, according to Bill Zender. The public doesn't care, and the ones that do care are the players like the ones on this board whom you do not want in your casino anyway.
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