Paigowdan
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December 10th, 2011 at 5:36:35 PM permalink
shooter may pick up the DP bet if he immediately makes a pass line bet, not a place the point bet, which then must stay until decided,
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MathExtremist
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December 10th, 2011 at 10:07:40 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Waving off 6s and 8s?

Duh.

Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.

Love it.

And that's why he had the table to himself with a security guard...
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Whiggi
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December 23rd, 2011 at 6:32:24 PM permalink
If the shooter is on the Dont Pass line and removes his bet the stickman throws the dice
discflicker
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December 23rd, 2011 at 10:00:18 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Waving off 6s and 8s?

Duh.

Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.

Love it.

I know!

I cringe every time I see this. I want to just walk up to them and say "Geez, I'll buy these from you for a buck each". This would be a SURE way to make a LOT of money... at just \$25 min bets I would be operating at way better rake that the casino, with ZERO overhead. Talk about your "statistical cash cow"...

Anything... a \$24 place bet... even a \$25 BIG 6/8, anything; but NEVER EVER take down an established don't bet... it's a SIN!

Makes me cringe.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
odiousgambit
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December 24th, 2011 at 12:14:20 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

I know! I cringe

It's a good example of going by your gut instead of the math. The darkside shooter roots for a 4 or 10, 5 or 9; I too find myself wanting those points by gut. It makes no sense, though, since the bet pays less. Actually if anything you want those 6s and 8s and say to yourself, "these are the points I need to make" as making them builds your bankroll and the others build too damn slowly. Nonetheless by gut I want the easier numbers.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
discflicker
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December 24th, 2011 at 7:39:35 AM permalink
One of my "don't" strategies is just that..

I start out with a dont pass line bet. If the shooter throws a 5, 6 or and 8, I lay 5x base on it and just wait it out (maxpayout on the 6 and 8, like you said). But if any other number, I immediately use it as a hedge against, for example, "place one unit on the 5, 6 and 8 and make a field bet". The 4, 9 or 10 don't number becomes an immediate hedge against the field bet, and I win on every roll after that until you know what.

I have this simulated in my "TheBetMaker" software. If you like, you can download it and play it right now for free, just let me know and I will set you up.

marty
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
odiousgambit
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December 25th, 2011 at 6:27:26 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

I have this simulated in my "TheBetMaker" software. If you like, you can download it and play it right now for free, just let me know and I will set you up.

marty

I have and do use Wincraps. Do I need "TheBetMaker" software if I have Wincraps?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
discflicker
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December 25th, 2011 at 7:41:09 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I have and do use Wincraps. Do I need "TheBetMaker" software if I have Wincraps?

NOPE!!

Wincraps is a far superior product to TheBetMaker.

Good on you for using something like this to back up your claims.

I hope you're doing that. You are, right?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
odiousgambit
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December 25th, 2011 at 9:20:02 AM permalink
You may have my claims mixed up with someone else's claims, but I do use Wincraps all the time and anytime I would make a claim that should be checked out, Wincraps gets put into use.

I find it is not all that user-friendly when it come to setting up your own auto-bet ideas, otherwise it is great. For some reason I like to take a certain set of outcomes and run it different ways, asking questions like "what if this guy played the darkside instead? what if he had maxed on 20x free odds instead of having only 3x4x5x?" Some of the answers are surprising.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
discflicker
Joined: Jan 1, 2011