Nareed
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October 3rd, 2011 at 10:02:06 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

And yes, it's her personal responsibility.



And that, in the end, is all that really matters.

You can get as drunk on free drinks as on drinks you pay for. Granted you're more likely to do so on free drinks, but it's still a choice. As Dan pointed out, no one at the casino forces you to drink. And if you order non-alcoholic beverages, these are also supplied for free.

So the casinos may be hoping you'll drink alcohol and lose more as a result. But the customer choses to drink anyway.

I'll repeat a question I made earlier: how do profit margins compare between casinso that offer free alcohol and those that don't.
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buzzpaff
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October 3rd, 2011 at 10:13:31 AM permalink
Slightly off topic, but maybe not. Did anyone see Ken Burns's documentary on Prohibition on PBS last night ?
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Paigowdan
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October 3rd, 2011 at 12:03:30 PM permalink
Missed it, but Ken Burns does some fine work. Carrie Nation was anti-alcohol. I am for free choice on drinking. I did like the little for the poke-in-the-eye plug! :)

Anyway, it is true that the convenience of beverage service is to keep people at the tables and machines in one major regard:
If there were no beverage service throughout the casinos, many players who drink would also have a session at the cocktail lounge - and not at the tables.

Casinos don't want players taking either smoke breaks or cocktail breaks - as it simply pulls them away from the tables, that is true.
Most people limit themselves fine, (some don't) - just stay in the pit area.

You can view casino beverage service as common business sense, a courtesy and a convenience (as I do), or you can view it as an evil and sinister plot (as many do).

I can tell you that there is NO way the casino can win in the view of some people, as either providing free service, charging for services, or lacking the service ALL meet with complaints and negative accusations of "casino conspiracy" - every one.
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boymimbo
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October 3rd, 2011 at 1:07:42 PM permalink
I'm not saying that the casino is an evil conspiracy, at all. People have free will.

They also have weaknesses, and casinos prey on those. Free alcohol, a "courtesy and convenience" leads players to make the wrong decisions at the table, to lose their inhibitions and to play for longer. That plays into the house edge x time formula quite well. Patrons are FAR more likely to play and drink for free rather than not play and drink for a fee. Canadian casinos must charge for their alcohol. Ontario has cocktail waitresses - they just charge $7 for a pint of beer. Not as many partake.

Nareed, I find it very doubtful that you will find a meaningful statistic linking casino revenue to free alcohol. There are far too many factors at play such as slot hold, table hold, number of tables, operations expenses, etc.

But one simply has to look at Detroit vs Windsor, Seneca Niagara vs Casino Niagara, where drinking and smoking free and allowed at one, and expensive and disallowed at the other, to see the obvious. Seneca Niagara is packed on weekends even though it's surrounded by crap, while FallsView fills up on the weekend night, it's filling up because of the tourist crowd.
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Mosca
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October 3rd, 2011 at 1:17:57 PM permalink
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A clouded decision inevitably results in house edge. In 3CP, your drunkenness causes you to fold a K-8-2 hand when the strategy is to play it. In Blackjack, you decide to double down on that 8 because you feel that Ace coming. In Craps, you throw some money in the center. In PaiGow, you set your hand wrong, playing the three aces in your hand instead of splitting the third ace.



More likely it will cause you to play @ 3CP blind, or to just play the Pairs Plus! (I don't drink anything but water in the casinos.)
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ncfatcat
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October 3rd, 2011 at 1:41:20 PM permalink
I guess the drink issue depends. As a non-drinker since 1986 I'd say if they fix a normal to weak drink (I've heard complaints about this from my drinking friends at some casinos) they are not evil. But if they are fixing a drink like I fix some young lady who's come into my parlor......
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Nareed
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October 3rd, 2011 at 2:06:13 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Nareed, I find it very doubtful that you will find a meaningful statistic linking casino revenue to free alcohol. There are far too many factors at play such as slot hold, table hold, number of tables, operations expenses, etc.



I'm not looking for a link or correlation. But if free alcohol is effective at making extra profit for the casino, then by comapring the profit margins of free-alcohol vs charge-alcohol casinos we could determine whether that's even likely or not.

If it turns out free-alcohol casinos do have higher profits, then we can look at the why of it. Do people lose more because they make more decisions under the influence? or do such casinos draw more customers? For starters.
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boymimbo
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October 3rd, 2011 at 5:48:54 PM permalink
Yeah, Nareed, the problem with that no casino is apples to apples. An effective experiment would to be to look at a casino's profit before and after a drinking law came into effect, with the assumption that nothing else changes.
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buzzpaff
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October 3rd, 2011 at 6:26:58 PM permalink
Nothing new here, In the 1950's card rooms provided meals even. If a guy went home for dinner he might not come back.
rxwine
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October 3rd, 2011 at 7:17:28 PM permalink
I assume originally gambling houses were generally the place to offer other illicit or at least unapproved activities -- and alcohol was just another thing offered. Or at least, I suspect that's how it evolved. I imagine in unregulated environments some people were just as likely to byob.
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