MrV
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November 27th, 2011 at 8:12:45 PM permalink
Wal-Mart has made RFID a key component of their inventory management.

The technology works; the key is finding the correct implementation.
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pacomartin
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November 27th, 2011 at 8:21:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So what, if you can't track them at the table or anyplace else in the casino.



It seems to me that electronic surveillance looking for cheating schemes would be so much more effective with proper monitoring of RFID chips. You could certainly catch "topping off" a pile of casino chips after the decision. The cheater may do his best to obscure the view from the eye in the sky, but you can't fool an electronic counter.

It seems like if you had a data base of betting patterns tied in with player identification via facial recognition or some other way, you could correlate high betting patterns associated with the dealer on duty. I have to believe that dealer collusion is behind most of the effective schemes in existence. Just knowing that there was a correlation, would give you a place to look.
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November 28th, 2011 at 7:09:07 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Wal-Mart has made RFID a key component of their inventory management.

The technology works; the key is finding the correct implementation.

The technology work - at Wal-Mart, and other retailers, for one simple reason: Location only need to be accurate to within about a foot or two.

To fully implement it in a casino, location has to be accurate to within less than an inch.
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November 28th, 2011 at 7:58:31 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The technology work - at Wal-Mart, and other retailers, for one simple reason: Location only need to be accurate to within about a foot or two. To fully implement it in a casino, location has to be accurate to within less than an inch.

That is the problem. Hardware and software for such tracking is a problem particularly when you have chip clickers who tap, fondle, etc.

In order to defeat past posting a roulette system would have to know chip position quite precisely to avoid deft nudging of chip positioning. At a blackjack table the tolerance is less fine since all that has to be known is "in the betting circle" or suddenly appearing there after the card came out of the shoe. In Baccarat, Player and Banker are separated enough and an RFID system can be just a bit less accurate. The problem is of course how to give Pit Personnel an end to information clutter.

People have chips in their hands, their pockets (knowingly and unknowingly), their rack, their chip rail, the betting area(s) ... but all that really has to be reliable and precise is "where and when''. The betting circle in Blackjack and the "Match The Dealer" symbol at 10:1 payout are not all that far from each other.

Unless the RFID equipment can differentiate the locations in real time what is the use?
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November 28th, 2011 at 9:38:00 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

That is the problem. Hardware and software for such tracking is a problem particularly when you have chip clickers who tap, fondle, etc.

In order to defeat past posting a roulette system would have to know chip position quite precisely to avoid deft nudging of chip positioning. At a blackjack table the tolerance is less fine since all that has to be known is "in the betting circle" or suddenly appearing there after the card came out of the shoe. In Baccarat, Player and Banker are separated enough and an RFID system can be just a bit less accurate. The problem is of course how to give Pit Personnel an end to information clutter.

People have chips in their hands, their pockets (knowingly and unknowingly), their rack, their chip rail, the betting area(s) ... but all that really has to be reliable and precise is "where and when''. The betting circle in Blackjack and the "Match The Dealer" symbol at 10:1 payout are not all that far from each other.

Unless the RFID equipment can differentiate the locations in real time what is the use?



I think you have hit the nail on the head, there must be a market for RFID that can be precise or some other technology that achieves this effect, but I am not aware of anything that can currently do that.
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November 28th, 2011 at 4:02:24 PM permalink
The technology exists, its just extremely expensive.
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October 7th, 2018 at 9:32:03 PM permalink
Funny how these chips can go from hero to zero with just the deactivation of the serial numbers in the casino computers.

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