FrGamble
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July 22nd, 2011 at 3:36:56 PM permalink
Thanks that is an awesome link - thanks everyone!
konceptum
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July 22nd, 2011 at 4:33:22 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Here's my article on earning and using comps:

http://vegasclick.com/gambling/comps.html



One thing I didn't see mentioned, but I also never see it mentioned elsewhere, is that some casinos will require a minimum bet at table games before they will even take your player's club card. In Vegas, the only place I've seen this happen is at Harrah's. (Pai Gow Poker, $5 minimum table, but $10 was required betting before they would record your action on your player's card.)
MichaelBluejay
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July 22nd, 2011 at 6:02:19 PM permalink
Yeah, I try to not load up my articles with trivia which is of no practical value.
gofaster87
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July 22nd, 2011 at 6:06:02 PM permalink
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MichaelBluejay
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July 22nd, 2011 at 6:32:26 PM permalink
Well, that certainly makes getting comps harder than in the past. I'll check this out. Thanks for the tip.
MichaelBluejay
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August 18th, 2011 at 12:06:17 AM permalink
I asked a suit at the MGM the other night and he told me the opposite: They'll rate any level bet no matter how low, as long as it meets the table minimum (of course).
benbakdoff
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August 18th, 2011 at 3:44:54 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

I asked a suit at the MGM the other night and he told me the opposite: They'll rate any level bet no matter how low, as long as it meets the table minimum (of course).



My wife flat bet $10 at blackjack there recently and received some very fair ratings.
FleaStiff
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August 18th, 2011 at 3:54:31 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

I feel like I am missing out on some comps because I am so shy and introverted. .... I've done plenty of waiting around for the casino to just give me stuff out of the goodness of their heart but it doesn't seem to be working. Any help for a relatively new gambler would be appreciated - thanks!



Start by knowing your Theo. "Theo" is short for your theoretical value to the casino which of course means how much a statistician would say that you will lose to them. Please note it has nothing whatsoever to do with actual results and is not a value that is adjusted to ever reflect actual results.

Start with the game you play, the amount of your average bet, the length of time you play, and the house edge that the casinos use in their computers and the rates of play in their computers. If you happen to be playing Blackjack at an otherwise empty table you are actually playing faster and therefor placing your money at risk more often than their computerized comp program is awarding you any comp dollars, since the casinos computer assumes a five players rate of play. If you are actually at a full seven person table with everyone taking alot of time, you are actually risking your money at a slower rate than their comp computer is awarding you comp dollars.

The problem is that these are "mythical dollars" that just go into your account in the casino's computer. The casino will award you comps based on their policies and the requests that you make. Often if you don't ask, you don't get. Some people talk to a host upon arrival, some only at departure, some never do and some players interact with their host all during their stay.

If you ask a floor man for a meal comp he will punch your card number into the computer and see how much money you've been risking ... you will normally get a meal comp if you are at or even near what their computer requires. A comp to a buffet or a deli sandwich is cheap. A comp to a top tier steakhouse in the casino is more costly for them.

Some people are RFB: Room, Food, Beverage. They stay, eat and drink for free. Now if you are lucky and win the casino's money they will want you to return and bring their money back to them. If you lose, they will want you to come back and try again at THEIR casino rather than someplace else. So often they will make additional adjustments based on your actual results but often comps are simply based on your Theo and you might as well get what should be coming to you, even if it is only some lousy sun visor cap with a casino logo on it.

The Grande in Biloxi has what I consider to be a lousy comp program, Indian casinos tend to be notoriously stingy, but in Vegas comps are handled well. Usually.
Kayday
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August 18th, 2011 at 11:28:25 AM permalink
Thanks FrGamble for asking a question I've been too shy to ask myself. Sorry to belabor the point, but are there more examples of the "magic words" to use with the floor person when you're trying to get a comp (after being rated and playing for awhile). I think it's like this:

"Can I get a buffet comp?"
"Have I played enough for dinner at X?"
"How much more to have a hooker sent up to my room?"

Is that about right?

Also, if you're trying to have room charges comped, can you ask the desk person at checkout, or do you have to talk to a host? The only time I tried this I went to see a host, at the Golden Nugget. He took me into his office, and I felt like I was going to the Godfather to make my request at his daughter's wedding. Actually the guy was super nice, but the whole experience was pretty nerve wracking to me.
FleaStiff
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August 18th, 2011 at 11:45:25 AM permalink
I find that going to the host's office is best, some go to the player club desk and ask. At the Venetian I just happened to approach the credit desk to ask a question and prefaced my comments with an "I'll be checking out shortly"... and suddenly all my room charges were itemized and zeroed out and all the tips were itemized and zeroed out. I didn't even intend to ask for com;ps, I just accidently uttered the magic words to a randomly selected employee.

Now as to that "hooker sent up to the room" .. nah. Some Hollywood movie had that scene were a hooker knocking on the hotel door wore a casino uniform and her name tag read Entertainment Department. Casino managers cringe at such things. Now a comped helicopter ride to Pahrump, that can be arranged.

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