buzzpaff
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July 19th, 2011 at 3:09:12 PM permalink
The easiset way to be a professional gambler is be an author instead, Worked for Stanford Wong, Bob Dancer, Andrew Beyers, etc.
Hey even the WIZ is published.
Aussie
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July 19th, 2011 at 3:17:27 PM permalink
Horse betting.

Much more difficult with parimutual pools with huge takeouts like you have in the US but when you have bookmakers, betting exchanges and a much smaller 17% takeout of the pools it's a lot more possible.
vert1276
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July 19th, 2011 at 3:42:28 PM permalink
Don't forget about all the carps "dice setters" LMAO!!! oh wait..... they have the ability to influence dice but choose the teach seminars and produce DVD's instead LOL! So maybe you cant call them professional gamblers but you can call them professional scammers!
iwannaiguana
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:24:08 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Fair enough. But a skilled player can win while many others lose and still the machine would turn a profit.

How about this. Would you consider a person who plays VP and publishes books about it to be a professional gambler, provided all his income is derived from play and books about VP?



I still maintain that there are not +EV machines out there where a player can make minimum wage. I would not consider said player to be a professional because he made his money on books and not on playing.

I would agree that selling books, betting methods, etc. is usually far more lucrative than the actual practice itself. If people made enough money gambling they wouldn't need to write books on how to do it.
Nareed
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:26:39 PM permalink
Quote: iwannaiguana

I would agree that selling books, betting methods, etc. is usually far more lucrative than the actual practice itself. If people made enough money gambling they wouldn't need to write books on how to do it.



They wouldn't need to for the money, but they might need to for other reasons. Or they may just want to write about it.
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iwannaiguana
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:29:03 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

They wouldn't need to for the money, but they might need to for other reasons. Or they may just want to write about it.



I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There are certainly reputable books out there on blackjack and poker written by players who were extremely successful. But it's the exception not the rule.
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:31:57 PM permalink
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Nareed
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:40:54 PM permalink
Quote: gofaster87

If I had the money to bankroll a play that big I would be doing other things in life besides playing VP. This example is extreme but there have been many lucrative plays in the high denominations.



I tend to agree with iwannaiguana, but I get these contrarian moods from tiem to time....

I suppose an AP VP player might do better chasing progressives, perhaps, as well as playing positive EV machines, plus milking comps with multiplier days and such. But if they also write books about it, then it's likley they make a living from their books. As soon as a method that works is known to the public at alrge, you can bet all casinos will fight it somehow.

BTW I've heard that Thorpe, the original card counter, published his book because he wasn't interested in making a living playing BJ. I'm sure his book netted him a tidy sum, too.
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iwannaiguana
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:45:04 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I tend to agree with iwannaiguana, but I get these contrarian moods from tiem to time....



Well after all, disagreeing is just more fun. You make legitimate arguments and good points which is more than can be said for some of the forum.
Nareed
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:54:48 PM permalink
Quote: iwannaiguana

Well after all, disagreeing is just more fun. You make legitimate arguments and good points which is more than can be said for some of the forum.



Thank you, that's very gracious of you.

I can get very difficult and point out remote, ridiculous possibilities, too, but when I do it's usually in jest. As to VP, perhaps it was easier in the past, when there were better pay tables, and some holdouts from the era now make a living publishing VP books.
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