New Low for SIN CITY ?
July 7th, 2011 at 9:11:08 AM
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LAS VEGAS -- A racial comment in the restroom of a Las Vegas Strip casino restroom preceded a single fatal punch that left a tourist from Utah dead and a Florida tourist jailed in Nevada on a murder charge, authorities said Wednesday.
The slaying was the third on the Las Vegas Strip in less than two weeks, including the stabbings of a 21-year-old man Monday on a pedestrian walkway between casinos and the another 21-year-old Las Vegas man in a pre-dawn confrontation June 25.
The slaying was the third on the Las Vegas Strip in less than two weeks, including the stabbings of a 21-year-old man Monday on a pedestrian walkway between casinos and the another 21-year-old Las Vegas man in a pre-dawn confrontation June 25.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:16:36 AM
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OOOPs I spoke too soon.
Las Vegas Cools Off With $1000 Gold Leaf Sundae; Toilet Cocktails
Las Vegas Cools Off With $1000 Gold Leaf Sundae; Toilet Cocktails
July 7th, 2011 at 10:20:42 AM
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If you go near my toilet cocktail, I'll stab you!Quote: buzzpaffOOOPs I spoke too soon.
Las Vegas Cools Off With $1000 Gold Leaf Sundae; Toilet Cocktails
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 7th, 2011 at 10:40:24 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffLAS VEGAS -- A racial comment in the restroom of a Las Vegas Strip casino restroom preceded a single fatal punch that left a tourist from Utah dead and a Florida tourist jailed in Nevada on a murder charge, authorities said Wednesday.
Damn, that guy must have one hell of an arm.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:38:32 AM
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Possibly, but its much more likely that the back of his head hit the sink or something. Had the altercation taken place fifteen feet away, there would be a carpet and no sinks nearby. Manslaughter in the restroom, disorderly conduct fifteen feet away. Such is life ... and death!Quote: iwannaiguanaDamn, that guy must have one hell of an arm.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:44:18 AM
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too much inbreeding on the "victim's" side, glass jaw.Quote: iwannaiguanaDamn, that guy must have one hell of an arm.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 7th, 2011 at 12:03:49 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffLAS VEGAS -- A racial comment in the restroom of a Las Vegas Strip casino restroom preceded a single fatal punch that left a tourist from Utah dead and a Florida tourist jailed in Nevada on a murder charge, authorities said Wednesday.
The slaying was the third on the Las Vegas Strip in less than two weeks, including the stabbings of a 21-year-old man Monday on a pedestrian walkway between casinos and the another 21-year-old Las Vegas man in a pre-dawn confrontation June 25.
The story suggested that the white guy (victim) said something about the perp (black guy), referring to him as "that black guy in the yellow shirt." I don't know too many black people who would say this was racist, let alone be incensed enough to punch someone. What part of the story are we not hearing?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:10:35 PM
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Apparently the middle aged white guy from Utah said said something to the big black guy from Florida about his yellow shirt, and middle aged guy got hit in the side of the head and died. Now the big guy gets to be a guest of NV state for at least 20 years, I'm guessing.
Murder
Murder
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 7th, 2011 at 12:14:03 PM
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A more colorful euphemism for "black guy," I'm willing to bet.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:39:27 PM
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I'm not condoning any type of racist remarks, and the news report
doesn't mention one. But so what ? Look at this horrible outcome.
Another pointless death. This is murder, maybe not pre-meditated,
but murder nonetheless.
The victim is a father of 5. My heart goes out to them.
doesn't mention one. But so what ? Look at this horrible outcome.
Another pointless death. This is murder, maybe not pre-meditated,
but murder nonetheless.
The victim is a father of 5. My heart goes out to them.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
July 7th, 2011 at 2:46:48 PM
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The part about how much alcohol the casino served them.Quote: seviayWhat part of the story are we not hearing?
July 7th, 2011 at 8:46:33 PM
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A big black guy with a gun just went nuts in my area
and killed 7 people today. He's holed up in a house
with hostages. I haven't yet heard if he's wearing a
yellow shirt, but I wouldn't be surprised.
and killed 7 people today. He's holed up in a house
with hostages. I haven't yet heard if he's wearing a
yellow shirt, but I wouldn't be surprised.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 7th, 2011 at 9:02:32 PM
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Quote: news articleLAS VEGAS -- A racial comment in the restroom of a Las Vegas Strip casino restroom preceded a single fatal punch that left a tourist from Utah dead and a Florida tourist jailed in Nevada on a murder charge, authorities said Wednesday.
At first, I thought "wow, that's opulence!" Then I saw where this was...:-)
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
July 7th, 2011 at 10:41:51 PM
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Quote: seviayThe story suggested that the white guy (victim) said something about the perp (black guy), referring to him as "that black guy in the yellow shirt." I don't know too many black people who would say this was racist, let alone be incensed enough to punch someone. What part of the story are we not hearing?
Do african americans wear yellow shirts all the time?
Didn't notice.
July 8th, 2011 at 3:29:13 AM
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Quote: s2dbakertoo much inbreeding on the "victim's" side, glass jaw.
So you want to blame the victim and make fun of him?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 8th, 2011 at 6:36:11 AM
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I don't blame the victim for his shallow gene pool. The fault for having a family tree that resembles a totem pole lies squarely on the narrow mal formed shoulders of his parents who are also his aunt, uncle, cousin and possibly grandad. Clearly, he should not have been punched in the soft tissue that is his skull. The "perp" should go to jail!Quote: AZDuffmanSo you want to blame the victim and make fun of him?
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 8th, 2011 at 8:42:29 AM
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How do you know anything about the victim's progenitors?
What relevance does it have to a punch in a frat house? Ooops, O'Sheas.
What relevance does it have to a punch in a frat house? Ooops, O'Sheas.
July 8th, 2011 at 9:38:05 AM
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Utah.Quote: FleaStiffHow do you know anything about the victim's progenitors?
What relevance does it have to a punch in a frat house? Ooops, O'Sheas.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 8th, 2011 at 1:10:02 PM
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It must be terrible to go through life so full of hate towards people you know nothing about.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:15:36 PM
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Quote: timberjimIt must be terrible to go through life so full of hate towards people you know nothing about.
I honestly can't tell...is that a reference to the "victim" in the story? or a reference to previous posts here?
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
July 8th, 2011 at 1:17:54 PM
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It is a reference to the statements made about the victim.
July 8th, 2011 at 1:29:43 PM
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I really don't know what to think about this situation. The person who died incited the incident, apparently with hate speech. But he also, you know, DIED. The person who killed threw one punch, and almost certainly didn't intend to cause death. But he definitely killed a man. That just sucks all around.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
July 8th, 2011 at 1:40:23 PM
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What hate speech are you talking about? Can you direct me to the source of your information about this? The only hate evident here is from the attacker who felt it was necessary to physically assault someone because of a presumed insult.
July 8th, 2011 at 2:05:47 PM
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Quote: timberjimWhat hate speech are you talking about? Can you direct me to the source of your information about this? The only hate evident here is from the attacker who felt it was necessary to physically assault someone because of a presumed insult.
If you can't read through the politically-correct lines of "...the black man in the yellow shirt." to see what word(s) might have been used, then I really just don't know what to say.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
July 8th, 2011 at 2:21:00 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusIf you can't read through the politically-correct lines of "...the black man in the yellow shirt." to see what word(s) might have been used, then I really just don't know what to say.
Then you have no facts by your own statement. "what words might have been used" I am supposed to imagine what was said?
The only reports that I have been able to find that the victim used racial statements were based on statements from the attacker. I choose not to believe anything this violent person says in an attempt to justitfy his actions.
We have beat this topic to death. You were not the poster I was referring to that is so full of hate. Anyone that read the earlier posts know exactly who I am talking about.
July 8th, 2011 at 2:34:44 PM
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Maybe he threw a punch like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RKPGS2vwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RKPGS2vwM
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
July 8th, 2011 at 3:39:59 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusIf you can't read through the politically-correct lines of "...the black man in the yellow shirt." to see what word(s) might have been used, then I really just don't know what to say.
That was a direct quote, according to the AP reporter. Referring to a black man in a yellow shirt as a black man in a yellow shirt isn't racist, any more than referring to a white man in a red tank-top as a white man in a red tank-top would be. Besides, under the laws of this country, I don't have the legal right to kill you with a blow to the head regardless of any dirty, vile, profane, insulting or offensive words or sounds you direct at me. The only exception might be if you were aiming a sonic weapon at me and I had to kill you in self-defense. Otherwise, the kindergarten chant "sticks and stones" would seem to apply.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
July 8th, 2011 at 3:55:02 PM
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Quote: s2dbakerUtah.
And what is wrong with Utah? Seems like a state that causes no problems for the rest of the country, low crime, carries its weight, and has a fairly decent economy going for itself. Other than the snow and cold seems like a nice place to live.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 8th, 2011 at 4:16:05 PM
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Quote: timberjimWe have beat this topic to death.
Ah, but only because we are wearing a yellow shirt.
"What, me worry?"
July 8th, 2011 at 4:26:11 PM
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July 8th, 2011 at 4:50:28 PM
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I'm not surprised that this has happened.
The "gang" element has been an uphill battle for police on the strip.
The "gang" element has been an uphill battle for police on the strip.
July 9th, 2011 at 8:32:36 AM
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Here's the most recent article about the coach Self-Defense
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
July 9th, 2011 at 8:38:09 AM
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July 9th, 2011 at 9:54:10 AM
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I've never walked into a restroom and commented on someone's race. I've probably not walked into any room, ever, and commented on the race of a stranger.
Not to speak ill of the dead, but my first thought, on reading this, was to wonder whether the Utah guy (victim) made his living suing people and was trying to get hit. Only way the racial comment to a (presumably much larger) stranger makes sense.
Not to speak ill of the dead, but my first thought, on reading this, was to wonder whether the Utah guy (victim) made his living suing people and was trying to get hit. Only way the racial comment to a (presumably much larger) stranger makes sense.
July 9th, 2011 at 10:02:48 AM
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July 9th, 2011 at 10:15:02 AM
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25 years ago, legendary golfer, Jack Nicklaus, celebrated an historic win at the 1986 Masters. That memorable day, Jack was wearing a yellow shirt in honor of a young family friend, 13-year-old Craig Smith, who died of a rare form of bone cancer.
July 9th, 2011 at 11:36:12 AM
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Quote: gofaster87The article I read said he was punched outside the bathroom and death was caused by blunt force trauma to the head when he struck the ground.
Sounds normal for a one punch death... catch the victim in the right way, they go down like a sack of spuds and smash their head on the ground.
I'm constantly amazed how little it takes to kill a person and yet on the other hand the amount of punishment a person can take and survive.
Probably won't be a murder charge, normally these go to manslaughter (proving intent would be hard.. not to say that prosecutors haven't proven malice in many cases with tenuous reason before, and defenders have argued against intent when the over whelming evidence would suggest otherwise)...
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 9th, 2011 at 1:37:33 PM
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I'll bet it was a sucker punch. Guy probably turned away to wash his hands thinking it was over and the other guy nailed him then.
July 9th, 2011 at 2:59:34 PM
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Quote: heatherI've never walked into a restroom and commented on someone's race. I've probably not walked into any room, ever, and commented on the race of a stranger.
Not to speak ill of the dead, but my first thought, on reading this, was to wonder whether the Utah guy (victim) made his living suing people and was trying to get hit. Only way the racial comment to a (presumably much larger) stranger makes sense.
I don't make it a habit to talk to anyone in a restroom I don't know. Some people are weird about speaking or being spoken to when their genitals are outside of their pants, so I respect their special "me time." I wonder if they had a run-in at a craps table or blackjack table earlier in the evening that may have escalated on their chance run-in in the restroom?
I'd like a toxicology report on both of them, as well. It sounds like they were both at fault, but certainly not "someone should die" fault (obviously). Whether or not the white guy used a racial slur, it's still a sad situation. One man is dead, and another man is going to prison. No one wins there
July 10th, 2011 at 7:15:13 AM
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It was a tragic death and has nothing to do with any generalities to the race of the attacker or gang activity. In this case, the teacher (where's MKL?) punched the man in the jaw in the food court area of O'Sheas (the altercation started in the bathroom). Had the man not died, the man would have simply spent overnight in jail with an assault charge. But this man was unlucky, and probably had too much to drink. Hawkins will not be going to jail for a great length of time, and they'll reduce the charge to manslaughter for sure.
What I can say is that when you are in a big city with alot of people don't know each other, it's late at night, and there's drinking, your risk factors go up alot. This is the third homocide in the middle of the strip (O'Sheas, walkway between MGM Grand, and NYNY, and the walkway between Planet Hollywood and the Cosmopolitan) in a couple of weeks. This is bad news for Vegas.
Advice: if you can't handle your alcohol, don't drink alot in Vegas. In any case, when you're in public places, you gotta keep your wits around you and don't do or say anything stupid.
What I can say is that when you are in a big city with alot of people don't know each other, it's late at night, and there's drinking, your risk factors go up alot. This is the third homocide in the middle of the strip (O'Sheas, walkway between MGM Grand, and NYNY, and the walkway between Planet Hollywood and the Cosmopolitan) in a couple of weeks. This is bad news for Vegas.
Advice: if you can't handle your alcohol, don't drink alot in Vegas. In any case, when you're in public places, you gotta keep your wits around you and don't do or say anything stupid.
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July 10th, 2011 at 11:41:45 AM
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It appears that "black" is what was said and that it is not a euphemism for what is referred to in a politically correct manner as the "N-word".
The arrestee claims he threw the first punch due to his fear of turning around and walking away though it is not shown why he could not have simply backed up and then turned around at a safe distance.
He appears rather muscular and therefore must know how hard he can punch.
He may have found an "egg shell" victim but it is more likely that he simply punched someone out and it will be a manslaughter charge in which he claims "self defense" from "expected attack" instead of "hatred of whitey" or something.
Heck, in a week of knives and guns... atleast this was his fist.
Of course in a week of pedestrian bridges and sidewalks, this was inside the resort structure itself.
Robberies are common in bathrooms in Vegas partly because everyone knows there are no cameras but there are drunk and rich victims. However, since he was a tourist it would seem he is not likely to be a career thief.
The arrestee claims he threw the first punch due to his fear of turning around and walking away though it is not shown why he could not have simply backed up and then turned around at a safe distance.
He appears rather muscular and therefore must know how hard he can punch.
He may have found an "egg shell" victim but it is more likely that he simply punched someone out and it will be a manslaughter charge in which he claims "self defense" from "expected attack" instead of "hatred of whitey" or something.
Heck, in a week of knives and guns... atleast this was his fist.
Of course in a week of pedestrian bridges and sidewalks, this was inside the resort structure itself.
Robberies are common in bathrooms in Vegas partly because everyone knows there are no cameras but there are drunk and rich victims. However, since he was a tourist it would seem he is not likely to be a career thief.
July 12th, 2011 at 4:32:15 AM
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This story is featured in today's Las Vegas Advisor - Question Of The Day.
If you want to read the whole thing, read it today, because non-members can only read the current Q.O.D.
It is a well written piece. Due to copyrights, I'll only post a portion of the first paragraph.
If you want to read the whole thing, read it today, because non-members can only read the current Q.O.D.
It is a well written piece. Due to copyrights, I'll only post a portion of the first paragraph.
Quote: Q.O.D.The 11-day period commencing June 25 turned out to be uncharacteristically violent for the Las Vegas Strip...
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isolated events that took place between individuals with personal grievances and agendas, as opposed to being random killing sprees.
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but it would appear that their proximity was a coincidence and not indicative of any underlying trend of escalating violence on the Strip.
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July 12th, 2011 at 4:38:53 AM
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The casinos fear public perceptions and don't really care too much whether they are accurate perceptions or are misperceptions. The headlines about a killing inside a casino are damaging. Oh, the concern will pass, but even if the headlines read "coincidence" and "happen anywhere" ... its not good for business.
July 12th, 2011 at 8:05:33 AM
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When you say "resort", you are talking about O'Shea's? Just checking because "resort" would be way down on the list of words I would use to describe O'Shea's.Quote: FleaStiffthis was inside the resort structure itself.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 12th, 2011 at 9:46:44 AM
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Yeah, casino full of drunken frat-rats, but beer pong brings in a million dollars a year easy. I just meant to emphasize that this started in the rest room and continued outside the rest room area but no where near the sidewalk area outside the casino. Therefore it has a different public relations impact than these recent crimes that were on pedestrian crossways and sidewalk areas.
Many in Vegas don't even use the name O'Sheas they refer to it as O'Sxxxx.
Many in Vegas don't even use the name O'Sheas they refer to it as O'Sxxxx.
