Whats your take on this?

(ROULETTE) I watch and take notes on all activity from the dealer. Here's what I dont get >> Maybe....maybe a dealer can shoot for a certain section with some accuracy, thats a MAYBE.

However, as I check off numbers on the wheel, lets say a dealer IS hitting in the same section for 'X' number of spins. We'll say over 15 spins. The part that kills me, they are NOT even looking at the wheel (release point) when they spin.

If they are not looking and its STILL in a certain section, now what? I assume its a coincidence but I sure see it alot. When I start to notice a pattern early on, I THEN watch the head/eyes of the dealer to see what they are looking at while spinning. Usually they are talking to someone or spacing out (lol). Comments?

Ken

15 spins is nothing and it is a coincidence. I'd say you need at a bare munimum several thousand spins to show wheel bias.

Not looking for a bias wheel and NEVER will but you are correct regarding..... *SEVERAL THOUSAND* spins. (lol) No thanks.

Ken

A roulette dealer is required to look away from the wheel before releasing the ball. Its not the casino believes any of this skilled release stuff, its just that they don't take chances.

I've heard of dealers doing this around here (central NY). And in all reality, if you know how a dealer spins, you could probably predict the quadrant where the ball will land (as a partner of a relative who is a college professor in mathematics believes). I don't know the rules about looking at vs. away from the wheel as another poster noted, but after a while you can clock in your head how long it takes for the wheel to make a revolution, get a point (usually 0 or 00) as a reference, and count it out in your head from there.

If you really want to clock a wheel try clocking that Carney Wheel at the entrance of most casinos where the players don't really know what they are doing and the person spinning the wheel is often there because he fouled up at something else. The Joker and the Casino Logo are the bets to make if you really think the guy spinning the wheel is not being attentive.

Roulette wheels get watched more carefully and the casino has a book of procedures that requires the dealer be looking away from the wheel. Sure enforcement may depend upon how alert surveillance is but between computers, floorpersons and cameras, its likely the dealer will follow procedures and not even be looking at the wheel so how can he be aiming for any particular octet. he can't even see what he is doing.

I'd not waste time looking for some bias that simply is not there. Enjoy the game, but don't think the dealer can doing anything about the results of the spin. If the dealer actually had that ability, it would not be you sitting there, it would be all his friends and relatives.

Personally I have no interest in trying to "clock a wheel", I'll stick to counting 8 decks on blackjack and shooting craps. We could probably file it under the same category as dice setting. Unless you could buy a dealer's time and try a study where they aim for a specific number a certain amount of times, it may just remain a mystery.

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If you really want to clock a wheel try clocking that Carney Wheel at the entrance of most casinos where the players don't really know what they are doing and the person spinning the wheel is often there because he fouled up at something else. The Joker and the Casino Logo are the bets to make if you really think the guy spinning the wheel is not being attentive.

The woman (I forget her name) profiled in "Gambling Wizards" was put on the Big Six Wheel. She said she tried to get it to stop on the bigger payouts. She said she had some success and the casino eventually put her somewhere else.

I have been on the Bix Six at Monte Carlo Nights 3 times or so and it is dealer hell. Once it was so slow I had the wife of the fake Elvis shilling and we still could not get players. Very nice lady. Though if she really had looked like Pricilla I would not have cared if anyone showed up at all........

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The woman (I forget her name) profiled in "Gambling Wizards" was put on the Big Six Wheel.

Thats Cathy Hulbert. She was also the first member Ken Uston's BJ team. He didn't think women could count. She learned to do it better than him, he would get lost in it and have her tell him the true count. He was a real piece of work, he wasn't even half of what his legend says he was.

He was my hero for a while, then saw parts of a documentary his daughter is making trying to get it made into a movie. If such a film is made will equal 21 for sure LOL he left wife and kids to go gambling and whoring before dying from cocaine addiction. Really sad !

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He was my hero for a while, then saw parts of a documentary his daughter is making trying to get it made into a movie. If such a film is made will equal 21 for sure LOL he left wife and kids to go gambling and whoring before dying from cocaine addiction. Really sad !

His personal life was a joke, but its his exploits on the BJ table that have been blown all out of proportion. Most of the people on his team were better players than him, but he had the big mouth and over the top personality, so he got all the credit. Cathy Hulbert says he was a real sexist and for a long time refused to let her play because women weren't smart enough to keep the count, he thought. I was in my mid 20's then, and most men I knew didn't feel that way about women at all. We knew they were smart, it was hard to keep up with them. Uston was a real Archie Bunker type.

Agreed 100%

But note where the ball is RELEASED (what number on the wheel) and where it LANDS (what number wins). Then do a theta study (angle between release and win). GL

Quote: AZDuffman

15 spins is nothing and it is a coincidence. I'd say you need at a bare munimum several thousand spins to show wheel bias.

Well, it depends on how bad the bias is. 5- 33's, 6-21's, then 4-21's in a row could be a clue...

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Well, it depends on how bad the bias is. 5- 33's, 6-21's, then 4-21's in a row could be a clue...

Only short-term, in 38,000,000 spins it might happen as part of an overall balanced wheel. Thats why the remarks about longevity of test. Thats why I remarked about noticing where the ball is released compared to where it lands... it might not be the wheel!