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April 2nd, 2011 at 9:01:36 AM permalink
Dear Mr. Craps Expert TBD ...

Suppose you are playing Craps ... kind of a standard game, maybe the table is half full ... 10 players or so ... all kind of betting like Craps players do ... you bet only on the pass line and nothing else. Never take odds ... About how many decisions per hour will you have for your PL wagers?

If you work in a big house and have that number, please share ...

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April 2nd, 2011 at 9:21:03 AM permalink
I track rolls. It comes in at an average of 30-40 PL decisions per hour. The main determinant is the amount of players, how much action there is, and the speed of the dealers/stickman.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 10:09:49 AM permalink
Awesome ... that's what I wanted teddys.

Any other experts out there?

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April 2nd, 2011 at 10:45:30 AM permalink
One problem with nailing down a good number is that the number of players will fluctuate. When the table gets hot, the number of players increases, buy ins occur, more action in the middle requiring the stick to determine payouts, etc. But if the table is cold, you can expect an average of three or four rolls between each PL resolution, which may take less than 60 seconds. I voted for 30 an hour since two minutes to resolve a wager, "feels" about average. No hard data behind it at all.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 10:59:37 AM permalink
30-40 decisions per hour??
Man, you sure ain't never been on one of those Florida Gambling Boats. They keep the dice moving there! FAST!!
The Strip is fast, Downtown a bit more leisurely, Boulder Strip downright slow. Sometimes its break-in dealers, but mainly it just seems to be habit. Even on an unpopulated table you can have a dealer who gets jammed up with one bettor's mistake or something and a good stickman will watch that he doesn't run over the base dealers. Even if things are going smoothly and there are a variety of bets to be serviced, its still going to more than 30.

30 would be a good estimate for a very leisurely game, but 40 would be a much better estimate. I'd add even a bit more if you are on the Strip even if its an uncrowded table and none of the crew are seeking an early-out or anything.

In the world of Comp Calculations some places use 30 but in the real world I think you are going to find that even Downtown 30 is simply too low to be an actual figure. Its more a figure used for Comp purposes because its easy to work with.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 11:06:37 AM permalink
According to my game comparison guide, craps has 48 rolls per hour. I tend to think that is on the low side, but it is what a major Vegas casino assumes for comp purposes. The ratio of pass line rolls to total rolls is 1 to 3.38. So the expected pass line bets per hour would be 48/3.38 = 14.2.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 12:13:39 PM permalink
My limited stats over the years.
119 hours
12,186 rolls
102.4 average
4.64 sd
More times I am at a craps table with only a few players so I would think my avg may be slightly on the high side since I do see many rolls in an hour on average.
One's mileage will vary.

With rolls per hour one can expect average # of pass line decisions:

rolls avg # sd
48 14.22 3.16
60 17.77 3.54
70 20.74 3.82
80 23.70 4.08
90 26.66 4.33
100 29.62 4.57
103 30.51 4.63
108 31.99 4.75
120 35.55 5.00

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April 2nd, 2011 at 2:10:53 PM permalink
Average rolls between come out is (3+62/165)=3.375757576.

I'll take the Wizard's word for it that casinos assume 48 rolls/hour (75 seconds per roll), but I've never seen it that slow.

But 100 rolls/hour = average 30 come out rolls (36 seconds per roll) seems brisk. Most books seem to use 70.

I sincerely doubt the 40 come out rolls per hour is possible with a full table on a sustained basis.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 3:03:19 PM permalink
Okay, what are we talking about? I'm confused.

PassLine bets are decided immediately by: 2, 3, 7, 11, 12. Now that is going to be 33.33 percent.
PassLine bets have deferred decisions by the shooter initially establishing a point and then either making or failing to make that point.

I seem to recall some post about an average number of rolls prior to the point either being made or lost and think the figure was 8 but can't really recall.

So I guess we should somehow differentiate between dice rolls per hour and "hands" per hour.

The figure given "30" at EasyVegas is for "hands per hour"... I take this to be the equivalent of "PassLine Decisions per hour" but I do admit that I think the figure is far too low.
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April 2nd, 2011 at 3:13:15 PM permalink
Patricia Demauro

May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey

4 Hours and 18 Minutes
154 Rolls
25 Pass Line Wins

Stanley Fujitake (RunnerUp)

May 28th 1989
at The California Hotel & Casino
Las Vegas, Nevada

3 Hours and 6 Minutes
118 Rolls
18 Pass Line Wins

Are these average?

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