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I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
Quote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Nothing new in the Article.
- Multi-carding, Ap'ing progressive and persistent state slots, hired lookouts/campers.
With the new $2k w2-G threshold, multi-carding $10k must-hits is easier. They can now increase their bet size a little to make it quicker without worry of needing to show ID to match the card.
"Another monitoring tool for advantage play is if someone is circling customers and pushing them off machines. Those people should be monitored and kicked out for harassing guests, the panel said."
I agree although I haven't seen harassment of ploppies in all my years.
I have seen APs stand so close to the ploppie sitting down that he can tell her bra color. But that's because of aggressive completion for that very profitable slot. (ie: Buffalo Ascension)
I've also seen AP's telling ploppies looking at a bank of machines to play a particular one because it has higher #s. The slot, of course, is close to playable and they want to ploppie to get it to playable range.
Quote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Darkoz, how do YOU avoid heat using your Operation? 🤔💡 I got a temporary one day ban for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card and was warned if I EVER did this again, I would get all my promotions, giveaways, free play, Comps, points, etc permanently revoked and would also be permanently banned. 😱😳 It seems that your Operation would all be permanently banned judging by my theory. 🤔💡 I'm curious on how your Operation survives and thrives when I got a one day suspension for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card. 🤔💡 You can PM me the answer if you don't want to answer on the public part of WOV. 🤔💡
Quote: NathanQuote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Darkoz, how do YOU avoid heat using your Operation? 🤔💡 I got a temporary one day ban for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card and was warned if I EVER did this again, I would get all my promotions, giveaways, free play, Comps, points, etc permanently revoked and would also be permanently banned. 😱😳 It seems that your Operation would all be permanently banned judging by my theory. 🤔💡 I'm curious on how your Operation survives and thrives when I got a one day suspension for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card. 🤔💡 You can PM me the answer if you don't want to answer on the public part of WOV. 🤔💡
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Well I don't do what you were doing. Asking total strangers to use your personal card for points runs the risk of an ornery stranger making a scene. I did do that when I first got started. You have to butter them up. Talk to them about the game. Get them excited. Then if they seem to enjoy your company, ask if you can put your card in. It's a dry hustle basically.
As for what I do now, there's nothing suspicious about using a player's card. Getting caught on the gaming floor rarely happens. It's actually the metadata that gets you caught. If a host notices multiple cards with similar activities of used Freeplay with little concurrent gaming.
You can hide that but it's costly and expensive. Part of the game isn't figuring out how to make the offers happen but how to keep the offers. That requires testing of individual casinos capabilities.
Ultimately I don't work by myself. If I get kicked out of a casino I just send in my workers. And of course I can always go in wearing one of my masks although haven't used one in years.
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"Another monitoring tool for advantage play is if someone is circling customers and pushing them off machines. Those people should be monitored and kicked out for harassing guests, the panel said."
I agree although I haven't seen harassment of ploppies in all my years.
I have seen APs stand so close to the ploppie sitting down that he can tell her bra color. But that's because of aggressive completion for that very profitable slot. (ie: Buffalo Ascension)
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I've seen it, but also not for a while. I guess they figured out it's not worth a ban. Especially if you come back and try to collect a jackpot when banned.
I'm just learning slots and a couple of nights ago I saw one of those Buffalo Ascension machines. One side was one notch from the top and the other side was two notches down. Had some promo to play so I sat and played that for a nice little profit. I don't know, should I have done that?
Quote: whatguyInteresting share! It’s no surprise that casinos are ramping up their monitoring; the "cat and mouse" game between APs and operators is always evolving. Whether you're tracking slot advantages or just like to stay on top of the numbers in your daily life, being data-conscious is definitely a common trait.
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Why have you included a link to Zaxby's Nutrition Menu website?
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
Quote: SlotenthusiastThis shows how stupid the casino industry actually is. They remove popular AP games that are costing them virtually nothing just a slight reduction in churn and in turn have forced AP’s to now cut into their bottom line by multicarding.
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
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The trick is getting more cards besides friends and family.
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: SlotenthusiastThis shows how stupid the casino industry actually is. They remove popular AP games that are costing them virtually nothing just a slight reduction in churn and in turn have forced AP’s to now cut into their bottom line by multicarding.
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
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The trick is getting more cards besides friends and family.
But once you learn that simple trick, it's $$$ :)
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That almost sounds like a clickbait hook...
"Casinos hate it when you use this one simple trick!"
Quote: DieterQuote: 100xOddsQuote: SlotenthusiastThis shows how stupid the casino industry actually is. They remove popular AP games that are costing them virtually nothing just a slight reduction in churn and in turn have forced AP’s to now cut into their bottom line by multicarding.
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
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The trick is getting more cards besides friends and family.
But once you learn that simple trick, it's $$$ :)
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That almost sounds like a clickbait hook...
"Casinos hate it when you use this one simple trick!"
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But I'm not pushing a video.
Ok, deleted
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: DieterQuote: 100xOddsQuote: SlotenthusiastThis shows how stupid the casino industry actually is. They remove popular AP games that are costing them virtually nothing just a slight reduction in churn and in turn have forced AP’s to now cut into their bottom line by multicarding.
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
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The trick is getting more cards besides friends and family.
But once you learn that simple trick, it's $$$ :)
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That almost sounds like a clickbait hook...
"Casinos hate it when you use this one simple trick!"
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But I'm not pushing a video.
Ok, deleted
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No complaints here! I'm a fan of certain misdirections.
Any time a savvy player can explain their actions with a plausible superstition is probably a good thing.
Quote: ChumpChangeI saw one YouTuber rack up 50,000 rewards points in one video. He must have gone through $200K of coin-in or better playing 3 figures/spin slots. If he breaks even, he gets the $500 in points as a profit. If he comes up short, he's short by at least a bet or two. But then there are the W-2G fast pays and the 90% of losses amounts to be figured. You have to win $20K ahead to overlap the 10% losses with $200K of coin-in. Rewards points are not going to cover that in any way, nor should they. You can use session accounting to say you broke even for the day, maybe. But with all those W-2G's outstanding, and no session accounting, you'd have to win an extra $20K.
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What you described alone is not an advantage play.
That's a "me hope to be lucky and make it through the day" play.
Quote: darkozbut I personally am pretty fearless.
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Not only fearless, but the Most Feared!
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozbut I personally am pretty fearless.
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Not only fearless, but the Most Feared!
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When they devote entire symposiums to what you do and how to counteract, it can be pretty obvious they fear you.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgQuote: darkozbut I personally am pretty fearless.
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Not only fearless, but the Most Feared!
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When they devote entire symposiums to what you do and how to counteract, it can be pretty obvious they fear you.
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When they try to hire you, you'll know you are feared.
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: SlotenthusiastThis shows how stupid the casino industry actually is. They remove popular AP games that are costing them virtually nothing just a slight reduction in churn and in turn have forced AP’s to now cut into their bottom line by multicarding.
AP has been gutted in Norcal and Reno to the extent the only way to make money now is to multi-card. Oh well no one feels bad for these clueless operators. .
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The trick is getting more cards besides friends and family.
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The key player is the recruiter.
Quote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Darkoz, how do YOU avoid heat using your Operation? 🤔💡 I got a temporary one day ban for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card and was warned if I EVER did this again, I would get all my promotions, giveaways, free play, Comps, points, etc permanently revoked and would also be permanently banned. 😱😳 It seems that your Operation would all be permanently banned judging by my theory. 🤔💡 I'm curious on how your Operation survives and thrives when I got a one day suspension for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card. 🤔💡 You can PM me the answer if you don't want to answer on the public part of WOV. 🤔💡
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Well I don't do what you were doing. Asking total strangers to use your personal card for points runs the risk of an ornery stranger making a scene. I did do that when I first got started. You have to butter them up. Talk to them about the game. Get them excited. Then if they seem to enjoy your company, ask if you can put your card in. It's a dry hustle basically.
As for what I do now, there's nothing suspicious about using a player's card. Getting caught on the gaming floor rarely happens. It's actually the metadata that gets you caught. If a host notices multiple cards with similar activities of used Freeplay with little concurrent gaming.
You can hide that but it's costly and expensive. Part of the game isn't figuring out how to make the offers happen but how to keep the offers. That requires testing of individual casinos capabilities.
Ultimately I don't work by myself. If I get kicked out of a casino I just send in my workers. And of course I can always go in wearing one of my masks although haven't used one in years.
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Hmm. I remember you FIRST learned that getting other people to play on your Player's Club card could become VERY lucrative for you when you lost basically all your money one day in a Casino and left. You were walking towards the train station having just enough for a train ticket back home and you realized you accidentally left your Player's Club card in the slot.
You went back to retrieve it and you saw a random guy inadvertently playing big money on your Player's Club card and he unknowingly earned you enough points to buy a burger meal and you had an epiphany. You could let people play on your Player's Club card and earn rewards using other People's money. That started your operation that is still in operation to this day. 😀🤔💡
Quote: ChumpChangeI was cashing out at the cage with my card still in my hand. I walked clear across the casino floor to a kiosk to check if I had won any free play since it was hot seat night and how would I know if I won anything? I got to the kiosk and tried to pull out my card from my pocket or wallet but it was gone. So I walked all the way back to the cage. I asked one teller about my card at another teller window. I followed and the people cashing out at that window saw the card on the floor in front of the cage window and gave it back to me. I walked over to the kiosk again, then I checked the name on the card to be sure it was mine, and it was, and there was no hot seat win for me. Then I left the casino. It's the third time I've lost a card at the cage. I've got to put it away before cashing out. I could have been on my way out of the casino and never done the kiosk walk and never known my card was missing for days. Last time, I found the card. A time before I had to get a reissued card.
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How do you usually carry your player cards?
Quote: ChumpChangeIn my wallet. But when I get up from my one session of hours with the TITO, I neglect to put the card in my wallet thinking I'll do it at the cage. Then I get distracted putting money in my wallet and the card fumbles out of my hand and hits the floor. I'm also carrying an empty soda cup too, for a refill going out the door.
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I specifically use a second wallet for casino activities.
I use a "checkbook" style wallet.
This allows an array of player cards, cash money, TITO vouchers (without folding!), and other assorted goodies.
My everyday wallet (small bills, ID, payment cards) goes in my left front trouser pocket; my "casino" wallet either goes in the right rear, or an inside jacket breast pocket.
I've looked at the biker "chain" wallets, but most don't seem to have any real card organizer scheme. They're great for holding 3 straps, but that's about it.
My tickets and cards go in the wallet before I leave the game.
Quote: NathanQuote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Darkoz, how do YOU avoid heat using your Operation? 🤔💡 I got a temporary one day ban for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card and was warned if I EVER did this again, I would get all my promotions, giveaways, free play, Comps, points, etc permanently revoked and would also be permanently banned. 😱😳 It seems that your Operation would all be permanently banned judging by my theory. 🤔💡 I'm curious on how your Operation survives and thrives when I got a one day suspension for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card. 🤔💡 You can PM me the answer if you don't want to answer on the public part of WOV. 🤔💡
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Well I don't do what you were doing. Asking total strangers to use your personal card for points runs the risk of an ornery stranger making a scene. I did do that when I first got started. You have to butter them up. Talk to them about the game. Get them excited. Then if they seem to enjoy your company, ask if you can put your card in. It's a dry hustle basically.
As for what I do now, there's nothing suspicious about using a player's card. Getting caught on the gaming floor rarely happens. It's actually the metadata that gets you caught. If a host notices multiple cards with similar activities of used Freeplay with little concurrent gaming.
You can hide that but it's costly and expensive. Part of the game isn't figuring out how to make the offers happen but how to keep the offers. That requires testing of individual casinos capabilities.
Ultimately I don't work by myself. If I get kicked out of a casino I just send in my workers. And of course I can always go in wearing one of my masks although haven't used one in years.
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Hmm. I remember you FIRST learned that getting other people to play on your Player's Club card could become VERY lucrative for you when you lost basically all your money one day in a Casino and left. You were walking towards the train station having just enough for a train ticket back home and you realized you accidentally left your Player's Club card in the slot.
You went back to retrieve it and you saw a random guy inadvertently playing big money on your Player's Club card and he unknowingly earned you enough points to buy a burger meal and you had an epiphany. You could let people play on your Player's Club card and earn rewards using other People's money. That started your operation that is still in operation to this day. 😀🤔💡
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Yes. Reread my third sentence in the post. "I did do that when I first got started..."
I remember back in the day when I used to play 5 cent Double Diamond and I would only get 66% payback. The machine was set at 86%, but without hitting any bigger jackpots, getting 66% back on a few hundred spins was the norm.
Gaming Protection Racket is pissing off the players rant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpAsvnWOl3A
Quote: ChumpChangeCasinos are Cracking Down on AP Players - The Dumbest "Specialists" I Have Ever Seen Are in Charge - Desolator Gaming
Gaming Protection Racket is pissing off the players rant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpAsvnWOl3A
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There are a few companies here in Reno that have suckered the casinos here into buying into their AI anti AP software and strategies. Atlantis is one of the primary ones, but they have also signed on some of the locals. As a result casinos here have been converting AP machines into to non AP. Since these changes the casinos that signed up for these advising services are now ghost towns. Their floors are empty. Go figure when you remove machines people like to play they stop coming. Really dumb.
I’ve pulled YOY metrics for Reno since they started pulling the AP machines and revenues are going down as well. People switched to VP which has an even lower hold than any AP machine ever could.
Quote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozhttps://cdcgaming.com/casinos-tackling-rising-slot-advantage-play/
I hesitated to post this because they claim they are scouring AP sites for exactly this type of discussion but I personally am pretty fearless.
They hit the hammer on the nail for most of it although they didn't mention many of my own methods so that's probably why I still have an operation.
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Darkoz, how do YOU avoid heat using your Operation? 🤔💡 I got a temporary one day ban for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card and was warned if I EVER did this again, I would get all my promotions, giveaways, free play, Comps, points, etc permanently revoked and would also be permanently banned. 😱😳 It seems that your Operation would all be permanently banned judging by my theory. 🤔💡 I'm curious on how your Operation survives and thrives when I got a one day suspension for asking and getting other people to play on my Player's Club card. 🤔💡 You can PM me the answer if you don't want to answer on the public part of WOV. 🤔💡
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Well I don't do what you were doing. Asking total strangers to use your personal card for points runs the risk of an ornery stranger making a scene. I did do that when I first got started. You have to butter them up. Talk to them about the game. Get them excited. Then if they seem to enjoy your company, ask if you can put your card in. It's a dry hustle basically.
As for what I do now, there's nothing suspicious about using a player's card. Getting caught on the gaming floor rarely happens. It's actually the metadata that gets you caught. If a host notices multiple cards with similar activities of used Freeplay with little concurrent gaming.
You can hide that but it's costly and expensive. Part of the game isn't figuring out how to make the offers happen but how to keep the offers. That requires testing of individual casinos capabilities.
Ultimately I don't work by myself. If I get kicked out of a casino I just send in my workers. And of course I can always go in wearing one of my masks although haven't used one in years.
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Hmm. I remember you FIRST learned that getting other people to play on your Player's Club card could become VERY lucrative for you when you lost basically all your money one day in a Casino and left. You were walking towards the train station having just enough for a train ticket back home and you realized you accidentally left your Player's Club card in the slot.
You went back to retrieve it and you saw a random guy inadvertently playing big money on your Player's Club card and he unknowingly earned you enough points to buy a burger meal and you had an epiphany. You could let people play on your Player's Club card and earn rewards using other People's money. That started your operation that is still in operation to this day. 😀🤔💡
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Yes. Reread my third sentence in the post. "I did do that when I first got started..."
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Yes, but the VERY first time you did this was purely by accident as you weren't planning to leave your Player's Club card in the slot. It was pure luck that some random player inadvertently played on your Player's Club card and earned you enough points for a burger meal. 😀
