A Different Kind of Quiz For Roulette Players.

Over the years I've noticed that some people like to pretend that they are "so called expert roulette players" (cough). For example, people like our own Mr. Jjj. So, I've compiled a different kind of quiz to see just how experienced some of these guys really are.

In order to successfully answer all of the questions, you'll need to have actual casino experience. In order to answer them all, you'll need to be experienced, well traveled, and observant.

Similar questions were posted on the John Patrick messageboard. As you might have guessed, they didn't know the answers.


There are no trick questions and the quiz is just for fun. The questions are for players in the US.
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1. In Las Vegas, which direction do the roulette wheels spin?

a. All clockwise
b. All counterclockwise
c. They alternate direction
d. Some spin clockwise and some spin counterclockwise.

2. In AC, which direction do the roulette wheels spin?

a. All clockwise
b. All counterclockwise
c. They alternate direction
d. Some spin clockwise and some spin counterclockwise.


3. In Las Vegas, in most casinos, do you get half of your bet back if one of the green zeros hit when you've placed a bet on the red/black?

4. In AC, on average, do you get half of your bet back if one of the green zeros hit when you've placed a bet on the red/black?

5. When setting at the "first base" position, on which side is the roulette wheel setting if the wheel is "LEFT handed"? Meaning, when facing the wheel/dealer, do the players set to the left, or to the right side of the wheel?

6. When setting at the first base position, on which side is the roulette wheel setting if the wheel is "RIGHT handed"? Meaning, when facing the wheel/dealer, do the players set to the left, or to the right side of the wheel?

7. At a traditional table, on average, how many spins take place per hour?

8. What time of day does the day shift start for most dealers?

9. What time of day does the swing shift usually start for most dealers?

10. On average, how many revolutions does the ball make on a roulette wheel?

11. Who manufactures most of the wheels found in the US?

12. Where can the smallest roulette balls be found in use, in Las Vegas, or in AC?

13. Where can the smallest roulette wheel in use be found? (Name the state, not the casino)

14. Is it possible to remove one of the zeros from a double zero roulette game?

15. Which direction does a "left handed" roulette wheel spin?

16. Which direction does a "right handed" roulette wheel spin?

17. Which direction does the ball spin on a "left handed roulette wheel?

18. Which direction does the ball spin on a "right handed roulette wheel?

19. What time of day does the graveyard shift usually start for most dealers?

20. Do all roulette wheels spin in the same direction?

I suppose you could say that, considering that I have invented the side bet Poker For Roulette, it's sad that I don't know any of the answers, except one.

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14. Is it possible to remove one of the zeros from a double zero roulette game?

According to NJ and PA regulations (and presumably its the same in other jurisdictions), it's acceptable to use a double zero wheel on a single zero table, as long as a sign indicates that a double zero result is a push / no spin.

Personally, I think that means that if the sign is in the double zero space on the table, that you could run a single zero game without changing the wheel OR the felt.


FYI: I needed to find that because part of my idea is to link tables for the progressive jackpot. But linked tables must all have the same type of wheel. My idea is that a double zero would play for my side bet only on a single zero table.

Correct! An example is at the Trump Plaza in AC. They simple call it a "no spin" when the double zero hits. This essentially makes it a single zero game. They have a little felt that they pull out to cover the double zero, showing just a single zero in it's place.

DJ,

Do you live in LV? We should meet for luch sometime. :)

I think I can answer most of those. There are a couple I am unsure of though.

Quote: Keyser

DJ,

Do you live in LV? We should meet for luch sometime. :)

Nope. Northern NJ.

Lunch? You had a chance when I set up a Wizard's Lunch this past September.

I'll probably be coming for G2E this year. I'll definitely make my plans known when they're finalized.

Why to much talk about Roulette on this site.

LOL

Why not?

It's actually a very interesting game when you're attempting to predict where the ball will land.

After some people have time to read and answer the quiz I will post the answers.

I'll give it a whirl, pun intended:

> 1. In Las Vegas, which direction do the roulette wheels spin?
> 2. In AC, which direction do the roulette wheels spin?

I've seen both directions as well as alternations. The ball always spins counter to the rotation of the wheel, though.

> 3. In Las Vegas, in most casinos, do you get half of your bet back if one of the green zeros hit when you've placed a bet on the red/black?

No. Only on a single-zero roulette wheel, and only rarely. MGM has a $25 table which offers this rule.

> 4. In AC, on average, do you get half of your bet back if one of the green zeros hit when you've placed a bet on the red/black?

On double-zero games it's allowed, but I can't speak to how common this is.

> 5. When setting at the "first base" position, on which side is the roulette wheel setting if the wheel is "LEFT handed"? Meaning, when facing the wheel/dealer, do the players set to the left, or to the right side of the wheel?
> 6. When setting at the first base position, on which side is the roulette wheel setting if the wheel is "RIGHT handed"? Meaning, when facing the wheel/dealer, do the players set to the left, or to the right side of the wheel?

I'm not a trained dealer, but I assume the handedness of the wheel refers to which hand the dealer uses to release the ball. The dealer always uses the closer hand to release the ball (so as not to turn his back to the table) so a right-handed wheel would be on the right of the dealer (and left of the players).

> 7. At a traditional table, on average, how many spins take place per hour?

45, according to the last floor supervisor I asked. It will depend a LOT on how busy the table is. One player with one or two bets can be 120, while a full table with lots of bets might be 30-40.

> 8. What time of day does the day shift start for most dealers?
> 9. What time of day does the swing shift usually start for most dealers?
> 19. What time of day does the graveyard shift usually start for most dealers?

I've never dealt, but I want to say 10am for day shift, so 8 and 16 hours later for the others.

> 10. On average, how many revolutions does the ball make on a roulette wheel?

It varies; the minimum is 4 in NJ, but it will depend on how fast the croupier releases it. It also depends on whether you measure relative to the wheel or the rotor (since the rotor is spinning contrary to the rotation of the ball).

> 11. Who manufactures most of the wheels found in the US?

I'd guess TCS/John Huxley. They do a lot of the readerboards too, especially the newer LCD ones. The only other roulette wheel manufacturers I can think of are Cammegh and GPI, but GPI is more known for chips (Paulson, B&G, etc.).

> 12. Where can the smallest roulette balls be found in use, in Las Vegas, or in AC?
> 13. Where can the smallest roulette wheel in use be found? (Name the state, not the casino)

No idea.

> 14. Is it possible to remove one of the zeros from a double zero roulette game?

It's always possible, and NJ specifically permits it. The traditional order of numbers on a single-zero wheel is different than on a double-zero wheel, but that turns out not to matter mathematically. It only matters for neighbor or French bets (voisins, tiers, orphelins), which don't work at all on a double-zero wheel with a green spot covered up.

> 15. Which direction does a "left handed" roulette wheel spin?
> 16. Which direction does a "right handed" roulette wheel spin?
> 17. Which direction does the ball spin on a "left handed roulette wheel?
> 18. Which direction does the ball spin on a "right handed roulette wheel?
> 20. Do all roulette wheels spin in the same direction?

I've seen both left- and right- handed wheels spun in either direction, and I've seen both styles of ball release (arm out front w/ thumb upwards, and arm to the side w/ thumb downwards). Often the wheel will be set spinning and then the ball released in one steady motion, by swinging the wheel in one direction and flicking the ball backwards when the arm is fully extended. Sometimes the dealer will alternate, sometimes not. I'm not sure if there are any rules on this, so it may just be up to training and house preference. Regardless, the ball always spins counter to the rotation of the wheel.

Quote: JIMMYFOCKER

Why to much talk about Roulette on this site.

LOL

I thought it is was funny so, on a whim I searched for threads with roulette in the title. I found 95. Most were dealing with questions, but I find it odd that people who posted systems with "Fool Proof" in the title, or multiple "Methods" to beat roulette aren't the ones answering. DJTeddybear was the only one with a system that actually answered a question. I'm not really a roulette player but I do find it humorous that I seem to know a little more about the ins and outs of the game than the system/method designers out there.

Quote: MarieBicurie

I found 95. but I find it odd that people who posted systems with "Fool Proof" in the title, or multiple "Methods" to beat roulette aren't the ones answering.

Exactly! Mr. Jjj is a great example. He hasn't been able to answer any of the questions.

Quote: Keyser

Exactly! Mr. Jjj is a great example. He hasn't been able to answer any of the questions.

Nope, wrong answer, please quote correctly. If you get it wrong 300 times, I'll correct you 300 times, not a big deal. If you get it wrong 429 times, I'll correct you 429 times, not a big deal.

I never said 'Fool Proof' (I guess thats suppose to be full proof?) and I never said 'beat'.

Off the top of your head, do you know the type of spark plugs in your car? 95% of people (myself included) will say no. So to use the SAME logic.....that must mean you are lying, you dont really drive a car, correct? All to easy. I should get paid for this s**t.

Ken

Mr. Jjj,

You like to pretend that you're a very successful roulette player. My point is that if you actually went to the casino as often as you pretend to go, then you might know at least a few things about the game. People on this board that don't pretend to be an expert appear to know more of the quiz answers than you do.

And an expert player will do better than a novice player, Mr JJJ sees it all the time.

System players have a long history of outrageous claims. When confronted with basic probability, they tend to make absurd claims, like having purchased half ownership in an Italian Restaurant, and bragging about how they are smarter than Einstein because they have figured out how to win with their "system". They like to say that "experience is more valuable than knowledge of probability or math" and then continue bragging about how experienced they are. The JP types are famous for it.

After having posted the quiz on a couple of sites, I've noticed that most of these so called experienced and seasoned veterans don't really go to the casino very often, if at all. The people that have basic knowledge of gaming probability, "the naysayers" or "mathboyz", appear to know more about the workings of the casino than the system designers and Mr. Jjjs of the world.

In short, most of the system posters on the gambling forums don't really gamble with their systems because they spend all of their time posting on gambling forums. Not only do they suck at math, but they also rarely go to the casino, if ever.

Quote: Keyser

Mr. Jjj,

You like to pretend that you're a very successful roulette player. My point is that if you actually went to the casino as often as you pretend to go, then you might know at least a few things about the game. People on this board that don't pretend to be an expert appear to know more of the quiz answers than you do.

Your mistake is in arguing with someone who (a) doesn't care whether you're arguing with them and (b) makes up the points of contention as he goes along. The alleged difference between a "roulette system" and a "roulette method" is a good example. I'm not sure what that difference is, I'm reasonably sure you don't know what it is, but Mr. J seems to think it's worth arguing about. That should tell you something.

Quote: Keyser

Mr. Jjj,

You like to pretend that you're a very successful roulette player. My point is that if you actually went to the casino as often as you pretend to go, then you might know at least a few things about the game. People on this board that don't pretend to be an expert appear to know more of the quiz answers than you do.

Well, you are half correct. Some people on this board like to huddle together. That way, it helps them appear to be correct. Safety in numbers. I think its funny and rather entertaining. lol
Ken

I think you have cause and effect the wrong way around. Some people give the same answer because it IS correct.

Quote: thecesspit

I think you have cause and effect the wrong way around. Some people give the same answer because it IS correct.

*AND* some people WAIT on other posters to respond first.....so they 'fit it'. Very few here would ever take a stand and go against the grain. Myself? (lol) Not a problem, I love it.

Ken

What is the deal here? I am new to the board but the odds at roulette are very simple. Every bet on a roulette wheel has the same house edge under US Rules (double zero, no imprisonment), 5.76% with the exception of the first five which carries a house edge of 7.89%. There is no way to predict what number is coming up next. (unless using some kind of cheating device or a malfunction of some kind in equipment).

No betting system gives you the edge. Every bet carries the same house edge. You can hedge in such a way that you money will last longer but the house edge never changes. Easiest way to sit at a table for a long time is clearly to bet on red and black. Sadly this "system" wont ever make you any money.

"Sadly this "system" wont ever make you any money" >>> (method), yeah, you're probably right, what a waste of time.

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

I never said 'Fool Proof' (I guess thats suppose to be full proof?) and I never said 'beat'.

I was referring to Darkoz and not you. I guess I failed to consider your complete arrogance in thinking that every cynical roulette post is an underhanded shot at you. I really think you need to talk to someone about your feelings because I think you have a problem.



Seeing as Darkoz or mrjjj are unlikely to answer the questions I'll take a shot at the answers as well as getting this thread back on topic.

1. D
2. B
3. No.
4. Yes.
5. Wheel is to the player's RIGHT side.
6. Wheel is to the player's LEFT side (I'm assuming our definitions of first base are similar)
7. I'd say about 35 for an average. 30 seems a little too slow and 40-45 seems a little too fast for an average.
8. Day shift starts at 12pm usually.
9. Swing shift starts at 8pm usually.
10. Not sure about this one, but I'd say 20 for an average.
11. TCS Huxley is my guess based on what I have seen.
12. I'm pretty sure smaller roulette balls are found in Las Vegas.
13. I haven't been everywhere, but I did see a pretty small wheel in New Mexico once.
14. Yes, but I don't think it's that common.
15. Clockwise.
16. Counter-Clockwise.
17. Counter-Clockwise.
18. Clockwise.
19. Graveyard shift starts at 4 am usually.
20. They can! :) In many casinos they don't though. The position of the wheel to the dealer is the biggest dictator of wheel direction in North America.

"I was referring to Darkoz and not you. I guess I failed to consider your complete arrogance in thinking that every cynical roulette post is an underhanded shot at you" >>> I was referring to Keyser, not you. Your turn.

Ken

Quit spamming the thread! You couldn't answer the questions because you are a total fake. I'd say admit it, but you never will. I think it's time that you go back to your half a restaurant. Or is that a fake too?

Marie,

I'm impressed! The AC question is one that I didn't think you would know. You're correct, the wheels there ONLY spin COUNTERCLOCKWISE.

You're also correctly answered where the smallest roulette wheel in play is located. That was probably the most difficult question on the quiz!

You obviously actually go to the casinos to gamble.
You have clearly traveled to different casinos around the country,
And you are very observant!

Quote: MarieBicurie

Quit spamming the thread! You couldn't answer the questions because you are a total fake. I'd say admit it, but you never will. I think it's time that you go back to your half a restaurant. Or is that a fake too?

Wrong answer. If I get slammed FIRST, then yes, I should be ALLOWED to respond, no?

Ken

Yes, I do travel to different casinos around the US. I think anyone who is serious about making money has to check things out first hand. I do remember finding it odd that AC had only Right handed wheels. I couldn't find a single roulette pit that had a left handed wheel like I often see in Vegas and many other casinos around North America. Observation and good memory is pretty crucial as a poker player, it's second nature by now.

Quote: niczone

What is the deal here?

What's going on here, as you might imagine, there are members (or at least member) who believe the little white ball has a memory, and the bets way to figure out where it's going is to track where it's been.

Most of the rest of us tend to sigh and move on.