Everybody wants to save the world

But no one wants to help Mom do the dishes.

Chances are, none of us will ever have the opportunity to run into a burning building to save an infant or discover the cure for cancer.
But the smallest of gestures- a warm smile, holding the door for someone, shoveling a neighbor's driveway- make our world better, because we are all connected.

This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.

I have indeed run into a burning building (once, when I was younger) to see if someone needed help, if anyone had passed out from smoke. Everyone had evacuated, so I didn't actually save anyone. Other people were standing around but I was the only person who went into the building.

Later in life, I pulled a young woman out of a car that had gone off the road and overturned. I saw it go off the road and stopped my car to help.

I did make major contributions to a radiologic seed technique for treating prostate cancer. A small thing, relatively, in the battle to cure cancer

I have loved and been a caregiver for a wife with a very serious illness (for many years now) and I have done the hard work of raising two wonderful children. I give into the lives of my 5 beautiful grandchildren at every reasonable opportunity.

And I was raised to be a gentleman and I do instinctively hold doors for people and help my neighbors.

Here on WOV Forum, after Mission defaulted on paying the winner of the NFL Picks contest, I reached into my pocket and gave $400 to the contest winner. A tiny thing, but enormous when compared with how you have spent your time on this forum.

I have done other things that I am proud of in my life, but I'll stop here.

I know other members here who have also led lives that abound with good works.

I think your horizons for doing good, as displayed in your post, are very limited I certainly don't appreciate sanctimonius advice on leading a good life from a child-less, loveless man sitting alone in his extra-wide chair in the Arizona sun as he posts on a forum in which he has persistently insulted a large number of its members over the years. And who has never apologized to anyone - not even once - for any of his nasty insults. Not once. Not once. If you want to do good, why don't you start with an apology to the members of this forum.

Posting BS about doing good is not enough, you must actually do good.

I do wish you a Merry Christmas, billryan. I hope your heart grows two sizes this year.

Save the world? oh no Mr. Ryan I believe you misunderstand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w

Gordon you have insulted Billy, I believe you will take the appropriate action.

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I have indeed run into a burning building (once, when I was younger) to see if someone needed help, if anyone had passed out from smoke. Everyone had evacuated, so I didn't actually save anyone. Other people were standing around but I was the only person who went into the building.

Later in life, I pulled a young woman out of a car that had gone off the road and overturned. I saw it go off the road and stopped my car to help.

I did make major contributions to a radiologic seed technique for treating prostate cancer. A small thing, relatively, in the battle to cure cancer

I have loved and been a caregiver for a wife with a very serious illness (for many years now) and I have done the hard work of raising two wonderful children. I give into the lives of my 5 beautiful grandchildren at every reasonable opportunity.

And I was raised to be a gentleman and I do instinctively hold doors for people and help my neighbors.

Here on WOV Forum, after Mission defaulted on paying the winner of the NFL Picks contest, I reached into my pocket and gave $400 to the contest winner. A tiny thing, but enormous when compared with how you have spent your time on this forum.

I have done other things that I am proud of in my life, but I'll stop here.

I know other members here who have also led lives that abound with good works.

I think your horizons for doing good, as displayed in your post, are very limited I certainly don't appreciate sanctimonius advice on leading a good life from a child-less, loveless man sitting alone in his extra-wide chair in the Arizona sun as he posts on a forum in which he has persistently insulted a large number of its members over the years. And who has never apologized to anyone - not even once - for any of his nasty insults. Not once. Not once. If you want to do good, why don't you start with an apology to the members of this forum.

Posting BS about doing good is not enough, you must actually do good.

I do wish you a Merry Christmas, billryan. I hope your heart grows two sizes this year.
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This is a complex post. Billy certainly has insulted forum members too numerous times to count. I doubt he would disagree. But he has also, at least in his mind, done lots of good with his helping of the homeless. At certainly great personal financial expense.
The childless, loveless man comment is nothing but cruel. You don’t know if he didn’t try for years to have kids but couldn’t, made a conscious decision that his make up wasn’t suited for kids, or is a gay man that never felt it was right to have kids.
I can list literally hundreds of times I’ve helped save a life, but it also literally was my job, so I don’t think I deserve the credit a ‘regular’ Good Samaritan gets. But I ALWAYS try to bring a smile to all those I interact with!

Anyway, Gordon, I do agree that your post was suspension worthy.

And am definitely interested in your prostate cancer story! If you can tell us about it either before or after you suspend yourself that would be appreciated.

My good deed this season is helping wifey host daughter, daughter’s GF, other daughter, and one of their friends here in Florida for Xmas. It’s not as easy as it sounds!

I thought of you specifically, Soopoo, and various other members when I mentioned that other members have led good lives.

I will take a self-imposed suspension of at least one week for making personal comments about a member, although I reserve the right to submit my NFL Picks to the contest via PM.

But I also, again, encourage billryan to apologize to members for the times that he has insulted them or compared them to monkeys or bad people or unintelligent people. And to look to see the goodness in the people in the forum, even if they have different viewpoints than him.

Is anyone else here an adherent of omertà? That's described as a Mafia code of silence in literature, but that is only one part of it. In general: it is a code of self-sufficiency, of avenging one's own grievances only.

So if someone insults me, and I think it's worth it, I'm going to track him down and I might just kill him. Or beat him, or cut up his face with a knife, or break some bones, or...

"What are you, crazy? It's never worth it to kill anyone or any of that other stuff over an insult! You sound like a nut!"

Well how about that, I think that's crazy too. It's not worth killing or doing extreme violence over an insult. So what is worth doing in retaliation? If you work your way down the list, from killing, to injuring, to traveling someplace to square off with him, to insulting in response... or to even dedicating one second to thinking about it... the answer always seems to come back- "No, not worth it." Or I could report it to an admin or some other authority- but if it's not worth me responding to it, how is it worth anyone else responding to it? That authority is not my servant or subordinate and his time and effort are worth no less than mine.

Thus, my brutal underworld code of honor which hypothetically allows me to murder for vengeance also compels me to disregard all insults, affronts, or other intangibles. Who would have guessed it, this code adhered to by some of the world's most dangerous men, this omertà, is also a code of Christlike forgiveness, if applied rationally and honestly.

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Is anyone else here an adherent of omertà? That's described as a Mafia code of silence in literature, but that is only one part of it. In general: it is a code of self-sufficiency, of avenging one's own grievances only.

So if someone insults me, and I think it's worth it, I'm going to track him down and I might just kill him. Or beat him, or cut up his face with a knife, or break some bones, or...

"What are you, crazy? It's never worth it to kill anyone or any of that other stuff over an insult! You sound like a nut!"

Well how about that, I think that's crazy too. It's not worth killing or doing extreme violence over an insult. So what is worth doing in retaliation? If you work your way down the list, from killing, to injuring, to traveling someplace to square off with him, to insulting in response... or to even dedicating one second to thinking about it... the answer always seems to come back- "No, not worth it." Or I could report it to an admin or some other authority- but if it's not worth me responding to it, how is it worth anyone else responding to it? That authority is not my servant or subordinate and his time and effort are worth no less than mine.

Thus, my brutal underworld code of honor which hypothetically allows me to murder for vengeance also compels me to disregard all insults, affronts, or other intangibles. Who would have guessed it, this code adhered to by some of the world's most dangerous men, this omertà, is also a code of Christlike forgiveness, if applied rationally and honestly.
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Following that code to its hypothetical ending gets you a one way ticket to jail for a long time. Hope you're up to date with your Apretude injections.

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I thought of you specifically, Soopoo, and various other members when I mentioned that other members have led good lives.

I will take a self-imposed suspension of at least one week for making personal comments about a member, although I reserve the right to submit my NFL Picks to the contest via PM.

But I also, again, encourage billryan to apologize to members for the times that he has insulted them or compared them to monkeys or bad people or unintelligent people. And to look to see the goodness in the people in the forum, even if they have different viewpoints than him.
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Suspension well earned, and a moderate should know better.

I also would like to hear of your contribution to prostate cancer killer seeds. Dispensed lots of the them over the years.

This Christmastide, May those who love us, love us.
And those that don't love us, may God turn their hearts.
And if He can't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles
so we can tell them by their limp.

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Is anyone else here an adherent of omertà? That's described as a Mafia code of silence in literature, but that is only one part of it. In general: it is a code of self-sufficiency, of avenging one's own grievances only.

So if someone insults me, and I think it's worth it, I'm going to track him down and I might just kill him. Or beat him, or cut up his face with a knife, or break some bones, or...

"What are you, crazy? It's never worth it to kill anyone or any of that other stuff over an insult! You sound like a nut!"

Well how about that, I think that's crazy too. It's not worth killing or doing extreme violence over an insult. So what is worth doing in retaliation? If you work your way down the list, from killing, to injuring, to traveling someplace to square off with him, to insulting in response... or to even dedicating one second to thinking about it... the answer always seems to come back- "No, not worth it." Or I could report it to an admin or some other authority- but if it's not worth me responding to it, how is it worth anyone else responding to it? That authority is not my servant or subordinate and his time and effort are worth no less than mine.

Thus, my brutal underworld code of honor which hypothetically allows me to murder for vengeance also compels me to disregard all insults, affronts, or other intangibles. Who would have guessed it, this code adhered to by some of the world's most dangerous men, this omertà, is also a code of Christlike forgiveness, if applied rationally and honestly.
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Following that code to its hypothetical ending gets you a one way ticket to jail for a long time. Hope you're up to date with your Apretude injections.
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Perhaps I was too subtle. Let me rephrase.

Yes, I am perfectly willing to kill to avenge myself... if it is worth it. Now describe to me something that would be worth it.

And if it's not worth it for me to do terrible things in response, how terrible was the slight, and why is it worth it for me to do anything at all?

And if it's not worth it for me to do anything at all when I was the recipient of the slight, then why is it worth it for some authority who was not the recipient of the slight to do anything in response? And if it's not worth it for the authority to do anything, why should I report a wrongdoer to the authorities? That's what omertà really is.

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But no one wants to help Mom do the dishes.

Chances are, none of us will ever have the opportunity to run into a burning building to save an infant or discover the cure for cancer.
But the smallest of gestures- a warm smile, holding the door for someone, shoveling a neighbor's driveway- make our world better, because we are all connected.

This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.
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I thought there was a restriction on you starting so many threads but you seem to be at it again. And this one turned out to bite you right on the butt.

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I did make major contributions to a radiologic seed technique for treating prostate cancer. A small thing, relatively, in the battle to cure cancer

Interesting. I did research for radiologic seeds being used for brain tumors in the 1980's.

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And I was raised to be a gentleman and I do instinctively hold doors for people.

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Holding the door open when first in or out (or hurrying in or out first to hold the door if a female is walking ahead of you) follows simple inflexible etiquette.

But elevator etiquette I think is flexible. When I’m entering the elevator I stand aside and let any female enter first. That’s a mostly inflexible rule unless the doors are about to shut in which case I enter block the sensors and wave the female(s) in.

Exiting in general let the females or older folks out first. But what if the elevator is packed including with baby strollers and you’re near the front right by the doors? In such cases I find myself bolting out first no matter who is inside behind me because to do otherwise would create a logjam. Can’t really push yourself back into a jammed elevator to let anyone else out first if you’re blocking the exit. Hotel elevators especially around peak movement times and busy seasons or holidays often present such situations where the practical exit rule is LIFO (last in, first out) irrespective of gender.

A dinosauric rule I still follow is standing at the restaurant table when a female gets up to leave or returns. I might bend the rule slightly to simply rise slightly versus the full on stand. And of course if I’m at a table and someone female comes by including with her husband or boyfriend I’ll stand up to greet to acknowledge the female’s presence. Even back in high school or college when I used to do that, some girls would comment favorably on how almost no one does any of that anymore especially the stand up when your date leaves or returns to the table.

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Exiting in general let the females or older folks out first.

My wife always told me to exit ahead of the women because many women are concerned by having men follow them out. They feel vulnerable.

Maybe it is just because I look so intimidating. lol

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A dinosauric rule I still follow is standing at the restaurant table when a female gets up to leave or returns. I might bend the rule slightly to simply rise slightly versus the full on stand. And of course if I’m at a table and someone female comes by including with her husband or boyfriend I’ll stand up to greet to acknowledge the female’s presence. Even back in high school or college when I used to do that, some girls would comment favorably on how almost no one does any of that anymore especially the stand up when your date leaves or returns to the table.
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Have you ever kept step with women you met walking on the street? That's a very, very old thing, I think it dates back to Regency era, when if you are walking along the street at night and you encounter a woman walking alone in the same direction you are supposed to walk along with her, so she is not walking alone on the street and subjected to any indignities. In return she is supposed to make friendly conversation. I've done that a few times om the Atlantic City Boardwalk, moving between the stores in the middle of the night. It's a good practice, we should be more sociable with strangers.

It is good to do good in THEORY but in reality a LOT of times the good deed ends up getting the Good Samaritan in trouble. For instance, a man saved a Woman's life by doing emergency CPR on her when she nearly drowned but in order to do the emergency CPR on her he had to touch her breasts/chest. He saved her life and does she THANK him for saving her life by doing emergency CPR on her? 💡No, she SUES him for touching her breasts/chest without her consent despite the fact that she would have DIED had he not done the emergency CPR on her! 😱😳 My absolute God! 😱😳

A Woman found out her Boss needed an organ transplant in order to survive. The Good Samaritan donated her healthy organ to her Boss and her Boss soon after the surgery asked her why she wasn't at work! 😱😱

The Good Samaritan replied something like,"I don't feel well. I just had the organ transplant surgery for you." The Boss instead of being grateful that her Employee saved her life with the organ transplant surgery MOVED the Good Samaritan Employee to another location about an hour away! 😱😳

Social media REALLY dragged the Employer hard through the mud for doing this to an Employee who saved her life and she responded something like,"It's nice that she saved my life but she REALLY should have come to work soon after the organ transplant surgery!" 😱😳 My absolute God ! 😱😳

A Woman, Sandra was at a gas station and saw a credit card left behind on the counter. She ran after the last woman who left the gas station and gave her the credit card. The second Woman was like,"Thank you for giving me my credit card!" And took the card> Sandra replied something like,"It's the right thing to do." Sandra went back inside of the gas station and then went to work. After work Sandra noticed she was on social media being branded a suspect and the gas station put her picture as a suspect as it turns out, the second Woman she gave the credit card to was NOT the credit card owner! 😱😳


The second Woman was a THIEF who bought $80 worth of liquor with the stolen credit card!" Sandra went to the police station purely to clear her name as she honestly made a mistake and honestly thought the second Woman was the credit card holder. Police interrogated Sandra hard and Sandra said something like,"I don't want to speak without a lawyer anymore. I want a lawyer ."The interrogation should have ended then and there but the police continued interrogating Sandra and asked her what she did with the credit card.

She answered that she gave the credit card and she answered that she gave the credit card to the gas station employee, which is where she honestly messed up as she actually accidentally gave it to the wrong woman who was a THIEF, but Sandra was so frazzled by the sudden interrogation/being labeled a suspect when she was just trying to be a good Samaritan that she accidentally answered the we wrong thing.

She was arrested and booked and spent some time behind bars! She lost her job and got a record when her record had been completely clean before then! 😱😳 She was just trying to be a good Samaritan! 😱😳

At her court case, the judge was disgusted that someone trying to be a good Samaritan was labeled a suspect, arrested, and thrown in jail and freed Sandra. She FINALLY got some good news after this whole horrible ordeal. 😀

Uhh...yeah.

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A dinosauric rule I still follow is standing at the restaurant table when a female gets up to leave or returns. I might bend the rule slightly to simply rise slightly versus the full on stand. And of course if I’m at a table and someone female comes by including with her husband or boyfriend I’ll stand up to greet to acknowledge the female’s presence. Even back in high school or college when I used to do that, some girls would comment favorably on how almost no one does any of that anymore especially the stand up when your date leaves or returns to the table.
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Have you ever kept step with women you met walking on the street? That's a very, very old thing, I think it dates back to Regency era, when if you are walking along the street at night and you encounter a woman walking alone in the same direction you are supposed to walk along with her, so she is not walking alone on the street and subjected to any indignities. In return she is supposed to make friendly conversation. I've done that a few times om the Atlantic City Boardwalk, moving between the stores in the middle of the night. It's a good practice, we should be more sociable with strangers.
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When you refer to them as "women you met" that implies some kind of connection was made?

I do walk along the street (curb) side of the sidewalk with any woman who is with me, that practice dating from the days of mud on the streets that could be flung towards the sidewalks.

But otherwise, I'm not sure how strangers would view an unknown man sidling up to them; when you have done it it sounds like they have understood your motives.

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Uhh...yeah.
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My quote ties in with him talking about how the world should do good deeds and I mentioned how doing good deeds actually got people into trouble. I was actually feeling pessimistic when I wrote my quote. 💡

One of my favorite musicians, Harry Chapin, had a heart attack on the expressway. He came to a stop in the road, and frantic efforts to get him out of the car failed because the Volkswagen had a different seatbelt release mechanism. A truck could't stop and plowed into him.
Maybe we shouldn't wear seatbelts?


Merry Christmas, all.
I had a strange Zoom Christmas that started from my godson's home. I'll say it was a good idea that needs a lot of refining.

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This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.

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I certainly don't appreciate sanctimonius advice on leading a good life from a child-less, loveless man sitting alone in his extra-wide chair in the Arizona sun

I think this forum needs a new moderator if he responds this way to a post so anodyne it could have been written on a christmas card.

I was going to say happy xmas everyone but I'm concerned about the tirade of abuse that might follow.....

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Quote: billryan

This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.

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I certainly don't appreciate sanctimonius advice on leading a good life from a child-less, loveless man sitting alone in his extra-wide chair in the Arizona sun

I think this forum needs a new moderator if he responds this way to a post so anodyne it could have been written on a christmas card.

I was going to say happy xmas everyone but I'm concerned about the tirade of abuse that might follow.....
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It's a thankless job it's difficult to find competent and willing volunteers. Myself and Gordon have thrown some blows at each other but it isn't personal to me.

He had a bad day he got triggered and took a shot at someone, this is human we are all guilty of such behavior.
He has done the right thing and suspended himself In my opinion he has shown himself as someone who cares
about being just and controlling his own bias. If there was a vote I would not vote him out.

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I think this forum needs a new moderator if he responds this way to a post so anodyne it could have been written on a christmas card.

I was going to say happy xmas everyone but I'm concerned about the tirade of abuse that might follow.....
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Gordon gave himself a one-week suspension for that remark. There is also some context to it, but that isn't an excuse.

Applications for moderator are always being accepted. As much as I appreciate Dieter and Gordon, some new blood is always welcome.

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This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.

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I certainly don't appreciate sanctimonius advice on leading a good life from a child-less, loveless man sitting alone in his extra-wide chair in the Arizona sun

I think this forum needs a new moderator if he responds this way to a post so anodyne it could have been written on a christmas card.

I was going to say happy xmas everyone but I'm concerned about the tirade of abuse that might follow.....
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AIt's a thankless job it's difficult to find competent and willing volunteers. Myself and Gordon have thrown some blows at each other but it isn't personal to me.

He had a bad day he got triggered and took a shot at someone, this is human we are all guilty of such behavior.
He has done the right thing and suspended himself In my opinion he has shown himself as someone who cares
about being just and controlling his own bias. If there was a vote I would not vote him out.
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A bad day? Did he have a bad week, as he was all over me for correctly pointing out Jewish law, and I complained to you about him not that long before that?
He posted that crap hoping I'd respond in kind and give him an excuse to suspend me. I thought about bringing it up with my son as a classic case of narcissism, but we have better things to talk about.
I'm far from alone in thinking he is a poor moderator. If I said something like that to a forum member, I'd be suspended for much longer, and being able to choose one's own suspension is a joke.
This isn't a democracy where we get to vote. It is a dictatorship where you make the rules. A just dictator enforces his rules equally.

If he is suspended, why does he appear on the list of members in good standing who visited this site today?

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Quote: billryan

This is my hope for you this Christmas: that by your smallest acts of kindness, you will save another's world.
Being good isn't enough; we must do good.

AIt's a thankless job it's difficult to find competent and willing volunteers. Myself and Gordon have thrown some blows at each other but it isn't personal to me.

He had a bad day he got triggered and took a shot at someone, this is human we are all guilty of such behavior.
He has done the right thing and suspended himself In my opinion he has shown himself as someone who cares
about being just and controlling his own bias. If there was a vote I would not vote him out.
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A bad day? Did he have a bad week, as he was all over me for correctly pointing out Jewish law, and I complained to you about him not that long before that?
He posted that crap hoping I'd respond in kind and give him an excuse to suspend me. I thought about bringing it up with my son as a classic case of narcissism, but we have better things to talk about.
I'm far from alone in thinking he is a poor moderator. If I said something like that to a forum member, I'd be suspended for much longer, and being able to choose one's own suspension is a joke.
This isn't a democracy where we get to vote. It is a dictatorship where you make the rules. A just dictator enforces his rules equally.
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I think he's just not childless and loveless, and didn't have any time to be on the forum this Christmas week, so he took an opportunity to be a wiseguy and then suspend himself to keep things fair. I'm childless and loveless too but I understand. Always tried to get myself suspended for food fights and stuff a few days before the end of school but they just laughed and rattled off the names of all the guys who tried the same thing over the years and made me clean instead.

Moderators suspending themselves as they see fit may be unique to this forum and is a point of honor. Like military officers who are being executed by firing squad are expected to give the order to fire themselves, and officer cadets and others being trained for positions of honor are expected to report their own violations. Or maybe, you know, that thing we did on Saturday afternoons- "Bless me Father for I have sinned..." When you confess the whole point is you are deciding on your own that it's a sin, and you are confessing it with your own mouth, which is how you get the absolution, not from being accused and punished by some authority. That's what it means to repent. That the admins announce their own suspensions and explain why is the same thing. That's honorable. On most fora guys are always trying to beat on one another with their schlongs because they think the girls will be impressed. We don't have a lot of those here, and I suppose that can be a good thing.

Cozenry, trying to appeal to an authority with an appeal to ego in order to get him to do something you want is a bad look and very obvious to all those paying attention. It's a character flaw more often found among females. It also seems unreasonable to me to gossip about someone when they're in the "sin bin" and in no position to respond.

I don't know about that giant word salad above you wrote but the reality is I was cutting
another human being some slack. The offense members take and emotional response to insults and suspensions
is foreign to Alpha males. To suggest there is some meaningful favor to gain by kissing some ass on an internet
forum from a stranger with no power to grant you anything of actual value would only happen in the minds of the week and confused.

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I don't know about that giant word salad above you wrote but the reality is I was cutting
another human being some slack. The offense members take and emotional response to insults and suspensions
is foreign to Alpha males. To suggest there is some meaningful favor to gain by kissing some ass on an internet
forum from a stranger with no power to grant you anything of actual value would only happen in the minds of the week and confused.
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I get what you mean and was not referring to your post, which was devoid of cozenry.

People do get emotionally attached to social media and do irrational things. Cops say half of gang battles start with something posted. I know a guy who had someone travel quite a way to assault him on campus, and the drama, politics and shame has led a few to despair and suicide. Antisocial media, I call it.

Sometimes it reminds me of the code duello where men were expected to fight with pistols or swords over empty words.

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If he is suspended, why does he appear on the list of members in good standing who visited this site today?
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This is a technical limitation of the software.
Moderators and admins always appear green, even if suspended.

He's said he's restricted himself for a week, with a lone exception to post his picks in the Picks Game thread.
I believe him.

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If he is suspended, why does he appear on the list of members in good standing who visited this site today?
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This is a technical limitation of the software.
Moderators and admins always appear green, even if suspended.

He's said he's restricted himself for a week, with a lone exception to post his picks in the Picks Game thread.
I believe him.
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I wasn't allowed to post picks when I was suspended. Has anyone else been allowed to post picks when suspended?

Gordon earned a lot of dap from me for ponying up the $400 that was won in a WoV contest, but went unpaid. Let's give him some slack

You can cut him all the slack you want. How is a contest fair when one person gives himself the ability to pick while suspended, and others who are suspended can't?

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If he is suspended, why does he appear on the list of members in good standing who visited this site today?
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This is a technical limitation of the software.
Moderators and admins always appear green, even if suspended.

He's said he's restricted himself for a week, with a lone exception to post his picks in the Picks Game thread.
I believe him.
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I wasn't allowed to post picks when I was suspended. Has anyone else been allowed to post picks when suspended?
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My understanding is that suspended members have been allowed to make their plays by emailing a game officiant during the suspension.

Suspended members have always been allowed to receive PM's, so an email address could be provided... so far as I know.

I'm not sure that the extra performative rigamarole is beneficial, but I do understand the point you bring up.

Who would a member email their picks to? The people running the contest didn't provide any email addresses to use, and moderators don't provide their email addresses to us. Can a suspended member, besides Gordon, send PMs?

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Who would a member email their picks to? The people running the contest didn't provide any email addresses to use, and moderators don't provide their email addresses to us. Can a suspended member, besides Gordon, send PMs?
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That is a reasonable question.
I'm not in the picks game, so I don't know the mechanics.

I have been assuming that someone PM's an email address to the suspended individual.

Suspended players in the picks game have always been granted the ability to email in their picks as it seems only fair considering they pay to play.

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You can cut him all the slack you want. How is a contest fair when one person gives himself the ability to pick while suspended, and others who are suspended can't?
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I take Bill's side on this as far as the undignified comment Gordon made. Perhaps between now and next year, the person or persons running the game should issue a rule about suspended players-can still make a pick, can't make any picks and is a skipped week even it means they go oh-fer, or default picks made on their behalf. May provide an incentive to stay our of WOV jail during the season.

i also refer to the 2025 rules that state:

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One final disclaimer: If something happens that is not covered by these rules, it will be decided by me, and the decision will be what is least favorable to the person involved. For example, last year, two different people inadvertently submitted six picks. If their confidence pick won, it was discarded. If not, another win was discarded. That set of picks was ineligible for the perfection bonus for that week (even if all six picks won).

How is allowing him to submit his picks a "decision...least favorable to the person involved."?

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Suspended players in the picks game have always been granted the ability to email in their picks as it seems only fair considering they pay to play.
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If they pay to play, then they should know to be on their best behavior to protect their wager.

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Suspended players in the picks game have always been granted the ability to email in their picks as it seems only fair considering they pay to play.
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If they pay to play, then they should know to be on their best behavior to protect their wager.
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When hoping everyone has a great Christmas causes him to unload with such seething venom, how does one anticipate what is good behavior? I posted that Rob Riener wasn't necessarily a Jew just because his father was- aka The Law of Moses, and got attacked for that.
Posters should be free to post within the forum's rules and not be subject to one person's desires.

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Gordon earned a lot of dap from me for ponying up the $400 that was won in a WoV contest, but went unpaid. Let's give him some slack
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So on his watch, an illegal betting pool took place in which the owner stole the money?

You know why these are illegal even though the police rarely get involved? Because the guy running the contest tends to make off with the money.

You know who that is on? The guy who stole the money and the moderator who allowed it. I hope the next moderator employed here has more street smarts.

Technically the money was not stolen as it was never anyone's possession but his.
The money not payed was money he was going to donate which he failed to do
after someone or something pissed him off.

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Suspended players in the picks game have always been granted the ability to email in their picks as it seems only fair considering they pay to play.
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If they pay to play, then they should know to be on their best behavior to protect their wager.
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When hoping everyone has a great Christmas causes him to unload with such seething venom, how does one anticipate what is good behavior? I posted that Rob Riener wasn't necessarily a Jew just because his father was- aka The Law of Moses, and got attacked for that.
Posters should be free to post within the forum's rules and not be subject to one person's desires.
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Billy I have no doubt Gordon is not a fan of yours and is probably guilty of policing you more than others
But its an internet forum it just isn't that serious.

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If he is suspended, why does he appear on the list of members in good standing who visited this site today?
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This is a technical limitation of the software.
Moderators and admins always appear green, even if suspended.

He's said he's restricted himself for a week, with a lone exception to post his picks in the Picks Game thread.
I believe him.
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I wasn't allowed to post picks when I was suspended. Has anyone else been allowed to post picks when suspended?
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Don’t you have some homeless people to bring leftovers to instead of incessantly whining?

He made a mistake. Took ownership. Will not be participating in the marvelous back and forth which is WoV.

I think there is some mechanism to get picks posted when us plebeians are suspended.

Do you ‘switch it up’ for Xmas? Like alcohol free egg nog? Ham instead of tuna? Christmas cookies? Do you say ‘Merry Christmas’ to a person who likely has very little to be ‘merry’ about?

For Christmas, I made a massive tray of refried rigatoni with eggplant, beef, and sausage. I thought it would feed about 30, but the servings were skimpy, so I reduced it to 24. I'd planned on taking some leftovers from the park's Christmas dinner, but the scavenging was incredible.
Believe it or not, not all homeless people are miserable. Some are escaping worse conditions, and some are just free spirits who march to their own drum.

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A bad day? Did he have a bad week, as he was all over me for correctly pointing out Jewish law, and I complained to you about him not that long before that?
He posted that crap hoping I'd respond in kind and give him an excuse to suspend me. I thought about bringing it up with my son as a classic case of narcissism, but we have better things to talk about.
I'm far from alone in thinking he is a poor moderator. If I said something like that to a forum member, I'd be suspended for much longer, and being able to choose one's own suspension is a joke.
This isn't a democracy where we get to vote. It is a dictatorship where you make the rules. A just dictator enforces his rules equally.
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Don't you love it when the most suspended member in this forums history for personal insults, Bill Ryan, complains about being mistreated by a moderator. It's hilarious! I personally have absolutely no use for him, if he disappeared tomorrow I would not miss him. After he got suspended for 6 months he came back trying to fool us into thinking he's somebody that he's obviously not. It ain't working. Everybody knows who you really are.

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not all homeless people are miserable
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But oh, that magic feeling, nowhere to go.

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Suspended players in the picks game have always been granted the ability to email in their picks as it seems only fair considering they pay to play.
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If they pay to play, then they should know to be on their best behavior to protect their wager.
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No no, the people making the decision of whether or not you can post are also wagering and for them to be able to throw you out of the pool after they get your money violates every principle of fair betting. All people in the pool must be peers as far as the play and the money are concerned, or else you have a dirty game.

They may have added a way for suspended members to submit their votes, but it didn't exist when I was suspended and quit the league over it. I have not followed it since.

The person running the NFL picks contest sent me his picks. He normally send them to Gordon for confirmation but instead sent them to me since Gordon is doing a self imposed suspension. Gordon also normally tabulates the results. I am currently in the cellar after a bad run last couple weeks. I may even pick bears and colts and that is something I never do

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A bad day? Did he have a bad week, as he was all over me for correctly pointing out Jewish law, and I complained to you about him not that long before that?
He posted that crap hoping I'd respond in kind and give him an excuse to suspend me. I thought about bringing it up with my son as a classic case of narcissism, but we have better things to talk about.
I'm far from alone in thinking he is a poor moderator. If I said something like that to a forum member, I'd be suspended for much longer, and being able to choose one's own suspension is a joke.
This isn't a democracy where we get to vote. It is a dictatorship where you make the rules. A just dictator enforces his rules equally.
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Don't you love it when the most suspended member in this forums history for personal insults, Bill Ryan, complains about being mistreated by a moderator. It's hilarious! I personally have absolutely no use for him, if he disappeared tomorrow I would not miss him. After he got suspended for 6 months he came back trying to fool us into thinking he's somebody that he's obviously not. It ain't working. Everybody knows who you really are.
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People say the same things about you. and probably me.