AP getting harder. Now have to play vp to maintain Tier perks
And casinos lowering RTP on AP'able machines makes it much harder to make a decent $/hr.
Note: I suspect some casinos are setting AP traps by setting these games to the minimum RTP allowed.
Last decade, I started playing vp as a cheap way to get Tier benefits. (Thx to Queen of Comps)
Then discovered scarab/OM/etc to make a couple of bucks while reaching the Tier but still playing vp for most of the pts.
Then AP for all the points needed.
Now, the pendulum has swung the other way and I had to play a little vp to make Tier this year.
And I predict i need to play more and more vp to make Tier as the years go by
Quote: acesideI noticed the casino I often played had reduced the amount of slot machines on their floor. This trend has been going on for the last five years.
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Reduced?
They're putting more tables, Which means better RTP (less casino profit) and more employees???
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: acesideI noticed the casino I often played had reduced the amount of slot machines on their floor. This trend has been going on for the last five years.
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Reduced?
They're putting more tables, Which means lower RTP and more employees???
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A number of casinos I've seen are just increasing space between the machines.
Older machines - presumably owned by the casino - are still plentiful, but the newer machines (presumably leased) are not as prevalent.
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Last decade, I started playing vp as a cheap way to get Tier benefits. (Thx to Queen of Comps)
Does anyone know if she is still alive? I know she left Vegas many years ago and I think I remember hearing that Bob passed away.
Has anyone seen the documentary her granddaughter made about her?
Yes she’s still alive. She was posting a blog on LVA but stopped about a year ago.Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOdds
Last decade, I started playing vp as a cheap way to get Tier benefits. (Thx to Queen of Comps)
Does anyone know if she is still alive? I know she left Vegas many years ago and I think I remember hearing that Bob passed away.
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Quote: billryanHer death hasn't been reported to Wikipedia, so I'd say yes.
Has anyone seen the documentary her granddaughter made about her?
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https://kaityhoward.com/portfolio/merla-jean/
I would be interested in seeing it
Quote: 100xOddsLots more competition in the past year (2025) around me (East Coast).
And casinos lowering RTP on AP'able machines makes it much harder to make a decent $/hr.
Note: I suspect some casinos are setting AP traps by setting these games to the minimum RTP allowed.
Last decade, I started playing vp as a cheap way to get Tier benefits. (Thx to Queen of Comps)
Then discovered scarab/OM/etc to make a couple of bucks while reaching the Tier but still playing vp for most of the pts.
Then AP for all the points needed.
Now, the pendulum has swung the other way and I had to play a little vp to make Tier this year.
And I predict i need to play more and more vp to make Tier as the years go by
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There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
Quote:There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
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How would they know who was an AP and who was just a regular person that wanted a good deal?
Quote: harrisQuote:There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
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How would they know who was an AP and who was just a regular person that wanted a good deal?
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IIRC they were purposely monitoring suspected AP and purposely luring them into the INCREDIBLE promotion and kicking them out when they came to the promotion.💡
Quote: NathanQuote: harrisQuote:There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
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How would they know who was an AP and who was just a regular person that wanted a good deal?
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IIRC they were purposely monitoring suspected AP and purposely luring them into the INCREDIBLE promotion and kicking them out when they came to the promotion.💡
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But wouldn't anyone show up for that? Spend $100 coin in, get $1000 Freeplay would just prove most people enjoy a giveaway.
Quote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: harrisQuote:There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
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How would they know who was an AP and who was just a regular person that wanted a good deal?
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IIRC they were purposely monitoring suspected AP and purposely luring them into the INCREDIBLE promotion and kicking them out when they came to the promotion.💡
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But wouldn't anyone show up for that? Spend $100 coin in, get $1000 Freeplay would just prove most people enjoy a giveaway.
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I have to assume some people collected more efficiently than others, and reaped what rewards the house was bestowing.
Quote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
what you are describing is a believable loss rebate screnario...Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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PS , can't get it to come up in a search though
Quote: odiousgambitwhat you are describing is a believable loss rebate screnario...Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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PS , can't get it to come up in a search though
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I thought that was Revel at the time...
Quote: DieterQuote: odiousgambitwhat you are describing is a believable loss rebate screnario...Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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PS , can't get it to come up in a search though
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I thought that was Revel at the time...
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Yes sorry. Same building. Before they turned it into Ocean
Quote: odiousgambitwhat you are describing is a believable loss rebate screnario...Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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PS , can't get it to come up in a search though
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Before Ocean the casino was called the Revel. It was a Revel loss rebates promotion. Search under Revel. Sorry about that.
There's definitely a couple of old threads right here on WOV referring to the Revel debacle
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14322-revel-promotion-sounds-too-good-to-be-true/8/#post253330 .
Quote: odiousgambitOK . Found a Revel promotion thread exists and the below link may be the start of complaints about Revel not honoring the promotion. This is mingled in with blaming Bob Dancer for wising up Revel executives about the "too good to be true" bit
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14322-revel-promotion-sounds-too-good-to-be-true/8/#post253330 .
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Quote: First Rule of AcquisitionOnce you have their money, you never give it back.
Any of the truly handsome promotions seem to carry a real risk of not getting paid out. Methods often include bankruptcy, closure, sale, trespassing, Curaçao...
Best of luck. Proceed with caution.
Quote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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That's the AP promotion I was speaking of. 💡 Thank you Darkoz for posting that AP promotion. 💡
Quote: NathanQuote: darkozQuote: odiousgambitI am making other assumptions revolving around whether somebody, who shall remain nameless, is just making stuff up
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Well not so fast. I honestly thought the Oceans offer was being discussed but the details were wrong. But the original quote says the description was "something like that" so perhaps they just don't remember.
Oceans offered reimbursement (in Freeplay) of a lot of money. I want to say $100,000 if I remember correctly. And a lot of people "lost" that without actually losing it (the AP play) and Oceans reneges, kept what money they actually collected and trespassed the AP's
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That's the AP promotion I was speaking of. 💡 Thank you Darkoz for posting that AP promotion. 💡
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You're welcome.
Quote: DieterQuote: odiousgambitOK . Found a Revel promotion thread exists and the below link may be the start of complaints about Revel not honoring the promotion. This is mingled in with blaming Bob Dancer for wising up Revel executives about the "too good to be true" bit
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14322-revel-promotion-sounds-too-good-to-be-true/8/#post253330 .
link to original postQuote: First Rule of AcquisitionOnce you have their money, you never give it back.
Any of the truly handsome promotions seem to carry a real risk of not getting paid out. Methods often include bankruptcy, closure, sale, trespassing, Curaçao...
Best of luck. Proceed with caution.
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Curaçao?
I've been there. What about that country?
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: DieterQuote: odiousgambitOK . Found a Revel promotion thread exists and the below link may be the start of complaints about Revel not honoring the promotion. This is mingled in with blaming Bob Dancer for wising up Revel executives about the "too good to be true" bit
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14322-revel-promotion-sounds-too-good-to-be-true/8/#post253330 .
link to original postQuote: First Rule of AcquisitionOnce you have their money, you never give it back.
Any of the truly handsome promotions seem to carry a real risk of not getting paid out. Methods often include bankruptcy, closure, sale, trespassing, Curaçao...
Best of luck. Proceed with caution.
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Curaçao?
I've been there. What about that country?
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Well, for years, the only way to dispute a disagreement with a Curaçao based online casino was to file a claim with their gaming enforcement agency.
They didn't have an established gaming enforcement agency as of what..
2 years ago?
Quote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: harrisQuote:There was a Casino luring APs with an INCREDIBLE promotion, something like,"Get $1,000 free play for just $100 coin in! " Of course, the APs FLOCKED to that promotion... And the Casinos permanently trespassed the APs who went to the promotion. 😱😳
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How would they know who was an AP and who was just a regular person that wanted a good deal?
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IIRC they were purposely monitoring suspected AP and purposely luring them into the INCREDIBLE promotion and kicking them out when they came to the promotion.💡
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But wouldn't anyone show up for that? Spend $100 coin in, get $1000 Freeplay would just prove most people enjoy a giveaway.
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Speaking of $100 promotion, Gulfstream Park Casino had a "Play $100 and get $100 back in free play!" Promotion, a 100 percent match bonus. 😀 A VERY lucrative promotion. 😀
