Shocking Gallup Poll numbers
Nineteen percent of males in the same age group also expressed a desire to move.
Gallup conducts these polls every decade or so and has never had a result where nearly a third of he population expressed a desire to move from the States. The last poll, from 2014, showed just over 10%, equally divided between the sexes, desired to move elsewhere.
How are we failing our women, 40% of whom wish to relocate to another country?
Is it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
Quote: billryanA new Gallup poll is out, and according to it, forty percent of females under the age of 45 claim they would leave the USofA if they could. A previous survey put the number at just 10%.
Nineteen percent of males in the same age group also expressed a desire to move.
Gallup conducts these polls every decade or so and has never had a result where nearly a third of he population expressed a desire to move from the States. The last poll, from 2014, showed just over 10%, equally divided between the sexes, desired to move elsewhere.
How are we failing our women, 40% of whom wish to relocate to another country?
Is it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
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I call BS on the survey.
ZCore13
Quote: billryanA new Gallup poll is out, and according to it, forty percent of females under the age of 45 claim they would leave the USofA if they could. A previous survey put the number at just 10%.
Nineteen percent of males in the same age group also expressed a desire to move.
Gallup conducts these polls every decade or so and has never had a result where nearly a third of he population expressed a desire to move from the States. The last poll, from 2014, showed just over 10%, equally divided between the sexes, desired to move elsewhere.
How are we failing our women, 40% of whom wish to relocate to another country?
Is it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
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It’s a poll that is of limited if not zero value. It’s always easy to answer a question without much real thought if there is NO CHANCE the result is really attainable.
And of course exactly how the question was worded, what question was right before this one…
I’m not as dismissive of it as ZCore or EB, but it’s not worth much more thought.
Quote: billryanIs it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
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The world is a tough place to succeed in these days, and the grass on the other side of the border looks greener.
Or maybe it is the well-known propensity of young women to believe foolish things, and to accept lies. Lies are part of female socialization. They lie to each other all the time for social reasons, they know they are lying and being lied to, and they accept that. And they seem to have no resistance at all to the lies of men, and they accept those, even when they know they are lies. Meanwhile men do not respect men who lie. Men who lie to me face an uncertain future, while women who lie to me are ultimately forgiven, for I know their ways. This is why historically women have not been invited to vote. We've always known that politicians are liars, and how far apart are "I promise I'll pull out" and "I promise I won't raise your taxes?"
So attribute it perhaps to some faddish thinking circulating among the young girls. Like Fabian. What do they all see in Fabian, I don't know? He doesn't seem to be very talented. But if there's one thing I've learned as a pickup artist- girls like what they like- there's no sense or logic to it, it just is, and it comes from emotions we don't have so all you can do is be prepared to work with it, rather than trying to control or predict it. Like getting a really good count. You can't predict you are going to get a good count at the beginning of a shoe, but you need to know what to do when you see it. Being there's no reason for it, it'll change, and next year's popular Barbie outfit won't be "leaving the US" but something different.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyIt covers ages 15 to 44. That's quite a spread. Includes a few who haven't even started riding the cotton pony, and a few who have already dismounted. But if there's correlation to anything, it would have to be menstruation. So maybe they all synced? They should ask again in a week.
Or maybe it is the well-known propensity of young women to believe foolish things, and to accept lies. Lies are part of female socialization. They lie to each other all the time for social reasons, they know they are lying and being lied to, and they accept that. And they seem to have no resistance at all to the lies of men, and they accept those, even when they know they are lies. Meanwhile men do not respect men who lie. Men who lie to me face an uncertain future, while women who lie to me are ultimately forgiven, for I know their ways. This is why historically women have not been invited to vote. We've always known that politicians are liars, and how far apart are "I promise I'll pull out" and "I promise I won't raise your taxes?"
So attribute it perhaps to some faddish thinking circulating among the young girls. Like Fabian. What do they all see in Fabian, I don't know? He doesn't seem to be very talented. But if there's one thing I've learned as a pickup artist- girls like what they like- there's no sense or logic to it, it just is, and it comes from emotions we don't have so all you can do is be prepared to work with it, rather than trying to control or predict it. Like getting a really good count. You can't predict you are going to get a good count at the beginning of a shoe, but you need to know what to do when you see it. Being there's no reason for it, it'll change, and next year's popular Barbie outfit won't be "leaving the US" but something different.
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Thank you for maing their case
Quote: billryanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyIt covers ages 15 to 44. That's quite a spread. Includes a few who haven't even started riding the cotton pony, and a few who have already dismounted. But if there's correlation to anything, it would have to be menstruation. So maybe they all synced? They should ask again in a week.
Or maybe it is the well-known propensity of young women to believe foolish things, and to accept lies. Lies are part of female socialization. They lie to each other all the time for social reasons, they know they are lying and being lied to, and they accept that. And they seem to have no resistance at all to the lies of men, and they accept those, even when they know they are lies. Meanwhile men do not respect men who lie. Men who lie to me face an uncertain future, while women who lie to me are ultimately forgiven, for I know their ways. This is why historically women have not been invited to vote. We've always known that politicians are liars, and how far apart are "I promise I'll pull out" and "I promise I won't raise your taxes?"
So attribute it perhaps to some faddish thinking circulating among the young girls. Like Fabian. What do they all see in Fabian, I don't know? He doesn't seem to be very talented. But if there's one thing I've learned as a pickup artist- girls like what they like- there's no sense or logic to it, it just is, and it comes from emotions we don't have so all you can do is be prepared to work with it, rather than trying to control or predict it. Like getting a really good count. You can't predict you are going to get a good count at the beginning of a shoe, but you need to know what to do when you see it. Being there's no reason for it, it'll change, and next year's popular Barbie outfit won't be "leaving the US" but something different.
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Thank you for maing their case
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Sorry, man. Didn't know you were a Fabian fan. Don't take it so hard.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanA new Gallup poll is out, and according to it, forty percent of females under the age of 45 claim they would leave the USofA if they could. A previous survey put the number at just 10%.
Nineteen percent of males in the same age group also expressed a desire to move.
Gallup conducts these polls every decade or so and has never had a result where nearly a third of he population expressed a desire to move from the States. The last poll, from 2014, showed just over 10%, equally divided between the sexes, desired to move elsewhere.
How are we failing our women, 40% of whom wish to relocate to another country?
Is it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
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It’s a poll that is of limited if not zero value. It’s always easy to answer a question without much real thought if there is NO CHANCE the result is really attainable.
And of course exactly how the question was worded, what question was right before this one…
I’m not as dismissive of it as ZCore or EB, but it’s not worth much more thought.
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All polls are of limited value and this is no different .
I'm more alarmed by the differences between men and women than anything, but I won't be losing sleep over it.
I've always intended to retire either in Mexico or Ireland, and still do.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyIt covers ages 15 to 44. That's quite a spread. Includes a few who haven't even started riding the cotton pony, and a few who have already dismounted. But if there's correlation to anything, it would have to be menstruation. So maybe they all synced? They should ask again in a week.
Or maybe it is the well-known propensity of young women to believe foolish things, and to accept lies. Lies are part of female socialization. They lie to each other all the time for social reasons, they know they are lying and being lied to, and they accept that. And they seem to have no resistance at all to the lies of men, and they accept those, even when they know they are lies. Meanwhile men do not respect men who lie. Men who lie to me face an uncertain future, while women who lie to me are ultimately forgiven, for I know their ways. This is why historically women have not been invited to vote. We've always known that politicians are liars, and how far apart are "I promise I'll pull out" and "I promise I won't raise your taxes?"
So attribute it perhaps to some faddish thinking circulating among the young girls. Like Fabian. What do they all see in Fabian, I don't know? He doesn't seem to be very talented. But if there's one thing I've learned as a pickup artist- girls like what they like- there's no sense or logic to it, it just is, and it comes from emotions we don't have so all you can do is be prepared to work with it, rather than trying to control or predict it. Like getting a really good count. You can't predict you are going to get a good count at the beginning of a shoe, but you need to know what to do when you see it. Being there's no reason for it, it'll change, and next year's popular Barbie outfit won't be "leaving the US" but something different.
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Thank you for maing their case
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Sorry, man. Didn't know you were a Fabian fan. Don't take it so hard.
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98% of all polls are nothing but clickbait now like everything else on the internet. Even sites I used to trust are clickbait, just trying to get your attention so they can get a few more clicks. They are aimed at people like Bill Ryan who falls for it every time and thinks it's so important he makes a thread about it. You have to be very careful now and verify what you read because about 80 to 90% of it is purposely misleading to get you to look at their page and their advertising.
Quote: billryanA new Gallup poll is out, and according to it, forty percent of females under the age of 45 claim they would leave the USofA if they could.
I would guess 99% of those women would change their mind as soon as someone bought them a one way ticket out.
Quote: EvenBob
98% of all polls are nothing but clickbait now like everything else on the internet. Even sites I used to trust are clickbait, just trying to get your attention so they can get a few more clicks. They are aimed at people like Bill Ryan who falls for it every time and thinks it's so important he makes a thread about it. You have to be very careful now and verify what you read because about 80 to 90% of it is purposely misleading to get you to look at their page and their advertising.
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Gallup is a polling company with a 25 year history, essentially they use demographically weighted samples to scientifically project nationwide opinions, and mostly get it right within margins of error. It is not perfect but its the best known method of estimation, and is certainly more valid than partisan opinion.
I can't see any reason why the poll would be inaccurate, indeed I'm a little surprised the numbers are not higher.
On most issues women prioritize, healthcare, childcare, reproductive rights, personal/family safety the US scores quite low relative to most other civilized countries. There isn't really any issue female voters care about where the US scores strongly on. The only reason for most voters to stay in the country is they were born there.
Quote: Dieter
The world is a tough place to succeed in these days, and the grass on the other side of the border looks greener.
If you look it up you will see that this study's findings were not replicated in other countries.
Quote: billryanGallup is a ninety-year-old polling company and uses widely accepted polling methods.
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You just keep telling me yourself that buddy, keep falling for their clickbait crap.
"Poll analyst Nate Silver found that Gallup's results were the least accurate
of the 23 major polling firms Silver analyzed, having the highest incorrect results."
Quote: billryanGallup is a ninety-year-old polling company and uses widely accepted polling methods.
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Yes, that is correct. I was thinking of yougov.
Everything else I mentioned however is correct.
Quote: Zcore13Quote: billryanA new Gallup poll is out, and according to it, forty percent of females under the age of 45 claim they would leave the USofA if they could. A previous survey put the number at just 10%.
Nineteen percent of males in the same age group also expressed a desire to move.
Gallup conducts these polls every decade or so and has never had a result where nearly a third of he population expressed a desire to move from the States. The last poll, from 2014, showed just over 10%, equally divided between the sexes, desired to move elsewhere.
How are we failing our women, 40% of whom wish to relocate to another country?
Is it a rejection of America or of the toxic culture?
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I call BS on the survey.
ZCore13
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why?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanGallup is a ninety-year-old polling company and uses widely accepted polling methods.
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You just keep telling me yourself that buddy, keep falling for their clickbait crap.
"Poll analyst Nate Silver found that Gallup's results were the least accurate
of the 23 major polling firms Silver analyzed, having the highest incorrect results."
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The 2012 projection by gallup was within the margin of error. You cherry-picked their worst year and it wasn't even that bad.
2012 Gallup Poll:
Final poll: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Romney +1)
Actual result: Obama 51%, Romney 47% (Obama +4)
Margin of error is typically around 3%
Either way it makes no sense to use Nate Silver to back up your argument since he used Gallup's projections in his own predictions. He has had MUCH worse prediction errors than that himself in any case.
In the worst possible case scenario where an error like this occurs in the 2012 poll we are talking about then 35% of women would want to leave the US, which is far from an earth-shattering difference from 40%, it is still a huge increase on the previous poll.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanGallup is a ninety-year-old polling company and uses widely accepted polling methods.
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You just keep telling me yourself that buddy, keep falling for their clickbait crap.
"Poll analyst Nate Silver found that Gallup's results were the least accurate
of the 23 major polling firms Silver analyzed, having the highest incorrect results."
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The 2012 projection by gallup was within the margin of error. You cherry-picked their worst year and it wasn't even that bad.
2012 Gallup Poll:
Final poll: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Romney +1)
Actual result: Obama 51%, Romney 47% (Obama +4)
Margin of error is typically around 3%
Either way it makes no sense to use Nate Silver to back up your argument since he used Gallup's projections in his own predictions. He has had MUCH worse prediction errors than that himself in any case.
In the worst possible case scenario where an error like this occurs in the 2012 poll we are talking about then 35% of women would want to leave the US, which is far from an earth-shattering difference from 40%, it is still a huge increase on the previous poll.
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Being with election polls, the only way to test them is to compare them to election results, and only the last poll they take can be fairly compared to election results, what's stopping them from lying with all the earlier ones, as a tactic to manipulate public opinion?
Quote: AutomaticMonkey
Being with election polls, the only way to test them is to compare them to election results, and only the last poll they take can be fairly compared to election results, what's stopping them from lying with all the earlier ones, as a tactic to manipulate public opinion?
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You can make a poll say anything you want it to, and that's what Gallup does. It has salacious crock pot meaningless polls it uses as clickbait to get more advertisers. And people fall for it, that's why they do it. PT Barnum supposedly said there's a sucker born every minute, but it was actually a common phrase among con man in the 19th century. Nothing has changed, the con men are still finding plenty of suckers.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkey
Being with election polls, the only way to test them is to compare them to election results, and only the last poll they take can be fairly compared to election results, what's stopping them from lying with all the earlier ones, as a tactic to manipulate public opinion?
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You can make a poll say anything you want it to, and that's what Gallup does. It has salacious crock pot meaningless polls it uses as clickbait to get more advertisers. And people fall for it, that's why they do it. PT Barnum supposedly said there's a sucker born every minute, but it was actually a common phrase among con man in the 19th century. Nothing has changed, the con men are still finding plenty of suckers.
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A very unfair comparison! To Barnum. He may have said that but he didn't treat people like suckers, and the only purpose of his deceptions was to make the show more enjoyable for those who are paying to see it and being the only purpose of the show was enjoyment- why not? In that way he became a part of the show, sort of a narrator and his narratives left the people believing they had seen something much bigger (or in the case of Tom Thumb, smaller) than they actually had. A benevolent deception.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkey
Being with election polls, the only way to test them is to compare them to election results, and only the last poll they take can be fairly compared to election results, what's stopping them from lying with all the earlier ones, as a tactic to manipulate public opinion?
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You can make a poll say anything you want it to, and that's what Gallup does. It has salacious crock pot meaningless polls it uses as clickbait to get more advertisers. And people fall for it, that's why they do it. PT Barnum supposedly said there's a sucker born every minute, but it was actually a common phrase among con man in the 19th century. Nothing has changed, the con men are still finding plenty of suckers.
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It is easy to find the survey results and check for any methodological bias. There is nothing to support anything you are saying.
Many of us have indeed lost sleep over these differences.Quote: billryan
*snip*
I'm more alarmed by the differences between men and women than anything, but I won't be losing sleep over it.
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The polling question had no followup -asking these respondents where in all the bloody world they would leave America to go? Communist China? The Arabic United Kingdom, where women can be raped with impunity? Senegal? Venezuela? Thailand, where they can sell their bodies for $30 max? El Salvador? Gaza? Greenland, where they pray, pray, pray for global climate warming? Cartel-infested Colombia? Haiti? South Africa? Rwanda? South Sudan with one of the world's highest starvation rates? It's an example of phrasing a poll question in a very open-ended way. They asked about "leaving" but in real life "leaving" implies arriving at some other place.
Here's a similar "poll" with teeth: The United States is offering illegal immigrants $1000 in cash and a free one-way air ticket to anywhere in the world they want to go - if only they will leave America. And under threat of involuntary deportation to a guano-hole country if they don't choose to leave and are instead apprehended. And only 4% or less have chosen to leave America.
In the family of pollsters, insanity doesn't just run in the family - it Gallups.
Are you really saying that Haitians and Salvadorians who fled their country in fear for their lives, not accepting $1,000 to go back, proves much of anything? I know four people who took the $1,000 and went home. All were Irish construction workers who overstayed their visas and had saved enough to go home. The US government's paying their way was the icing on their cake
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The polling question had no followup -asking these respondents where in all the bloody world they would leave America to go? Communist China? The Arabic United Kingdom, where women can be raped with impunity?
The United Kingdom has the same rules as the United States when it comes to sexual assault. The United States legal system and its constitution is based closely on the UK legal system.
The arab community in the UK is a tiny % of the overall population.
The US female homicide rate is roughly 5 times higher than the UK female homicide rate when adjusted for population. A woman in the UK is in significantly less danger than her counterpart in the US.
I would imagine most women who would want to leave the US would want to go one of the many democratic countries with free healthcare and/or social safety net, less child poverty and no school shootings. One where they have much less chance of being shot and/or raped, which is most civilized countries. 91.6% of women killed by guns among high-income countries were from the US.
Quote: billryanThe old "we are, the worse we are, but so many are worse" card. It's bizarre that you think an American woman wouldn't want to go to Thailand because they'd only get $30 to have sex. If that's what comes to your mind, I can understand why so many women might be interested in distancing themselves from that culture.
Are you really saying that Haitians and Salvadorians who fled their country in fear for their lives, not accepting $1,000 to go back, proves much of anything? I know four people who took the $1,000 and went home. All were Irish construction workers who overstayed their visas and had saved enough to go home. The US government's paying their way was the icing on their cake
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So why would a Salvadoran come here, and not to, say, Mexico? You yourself said you would be willing to retire to Mexico. If Mexico is so good someone from the US would be willing to retire there, wouldn't that be an even bigger step up from someone from El Salvador than illegally entering the US? You know why they're coming here. Because we'll put up with the crap others won't. And one of Murphy's Laws is: "The more crap you take, the more crap you get." We're being treated like the kid in the schoolyard who doesn't fight back.
And that leads back to why youngish women might be disappointed with the US: In all the intelligent species, the females are attracted to the aggressive males. Do not believe anyone who tells you otherwise. It is one of the most observable and reliable characteristics of primates. Now all over the Western world you have the authorities, the people who assert themselves to be so much smarter and more enlightened than the rest, whipping the boys into being these puling, purse-carrying, pee-sitting, pill-popping, pronoun-proffering pansies, is it any wonder that the girls go shopping themselves around to males from cultures where they never got that memo? You can't walk around in any US city for 15 minutes without seeing it. That's the real source of the problem. We took the advice of feminists and modeled our society on principles that apply to, to put it bluntly, them and their girlfriends only, and now we wonder why the normal ones are frustrated and dissatisfied with what that society has to offer them.
He gets to Mexico, where there are no jobs and has no choice to move on.
An American flies into Mexico, rents a villa for a third of what it costs in Arizona, hires a staff, and lives well for $2,000 a month, living off his investments.
Are you asking why the Salvadorian refugee doesn't stay in Mexico and live off his savings?
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And that leads back to why youngish women might be disappointed with the US: In all the intelligent species, the females are attracted to the aggressive males.
Are you getting your information from Andrew Tate? No, that's not true.
Women employ various different strategies to ensure their own survival and that of their offspring. They may favor aggressive males in situations where physical strength is at a premium. But there are many other scenarios. I don't see the most successful women choosing brutes, I see them choosing tech billionaires I could probably sit on who have all the aggression of a dormouse.
Quote: DougGanderQuote: AutomaticMonkey
And that leads back to why youngish women might be disappointed with the US: In all the intelligent species, the females are attracted to the aggressive males.
Are you getting your information from Andrew Tate? No, that's not true.
Women employ various different strategies to ensure their own survival and that of their offspring. They may favor aggressive males in situations where physical strength is at a premium. But there are many other scenarios. I don't see the most successful women choosing brutes, I see them choosing tech billionaires I could probably sit on who have all the aggression of a dormouse.
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Nobody gets to be a billionaire without being aggressive in some way. Aggression doesn't need to be manifested physically, but for the extreme majority of us who are not ultra-rich, it's going to end up being some combination of physical and social aggression. Catcalling a girl walking down the street is aggression and it doesn't require wealth or brutishness. The girls who get that treatment complain about it, a little, sometimes. The girls who don't get that treatment complain about it a lot, and initiate anti-catcalling crusades, and want to leave the US.
Quote: billryanI'm pretty comfortable with not becoming a billionaire. I've met a few, mostly before they were uber-rich, and I wasn't impressed by them..
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I've met Billionaires -after they were billionaires, such as Jeff Bezos. Steve Jobs. They were impressive, and I think most people would agree.
But I have a spirit that is open to the world around me and I confess to being impressed by intelligence. I don't dislike almost everything I see, that's not my temperament.
I rarely see any posts in which you praise successful people (other than musicians). Or ever praise people in this forum. But I do notice that you issue forth a flood of posts that are disrespectful of members who disagree with you about almost anything, and of successful members of society.
Is there anyone in this forum whom you like and respect? any successful Americans with different views than you that you respect?
Quote: gordonm888Well, I didn't know Jobs, never claimed I did. But I did meet him and asked him a couple of questions. I've been fortunate to meet some number of VIPs in my life.
I rarely see any posts in which you praise successful people (other than musicians). Or ever praise people in this forum. But I do notice that you issue forth a flood of posts that are disrespectful of members who disagree with you about almost anything, and of successful members of society.
Is there anyone in this forum whom you like and respect? any successful Americans with different views than you that you respect?
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Have you forgotten he holds the record for the most suspensions for personal insults? Mike suspended him once for 6 months. He's learned not to do that anymore but it's there right below the surface, all the bottled up negativity.
Quote: gordonm888Well, I didn't know Jobs, never claimed I did. But I did meet him and asked him a couple of questions. I've been fortunate to meet some number of VIPs in my life.
I rarely see any posts in which you praise successful people (other than musicians). Or ever praise people in this forum. But I do notice that you issue forth a flood of posts that are disrespectful of members who disagree with you about almost anything, and of successful members of society.
Is there anyone in this forum whom you like and respect? any successful Americans with different views than you that you respect?
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I accidentally unblocked you a week or two ago and have generally just skipped your posts.
Why would I praise successful people? I spend a good deal of my time with the forgotten of society and success is seeing them live another month. I have plenty of successful friends, none of them needing sucking up to. When I write about people I admire, you and EB complain to Mike about it. Would you like me to start writing about people I admire again? Just say the word. Who was it that complained that my post about Andre Zirnheld didn't belong here?
Is there anyone here I admire? Nope.
Is there anyone here I respect? Absolutely, and I'm sure they know who they are.
Respect is earned.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanI'm pretty comfortable with not becoming a billionaire. I've met a few, mostly before they were uber-rich, and I wasn't impressed by them..
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I've met Billionaires -after they were billionaires, such as Jeff Bezos. Steve Jobs. They were impressive, and I think most people would agree.
Most people do not agree. The latest poll on Bezos had a 29-55% like to dislike ratio.
Generally speaking people who exploit workers are not popular with the public who naturally sympathize with the workers rather than the ceo. Also his businesses drives mom & pop outfits to the wall who have to actually pay their taxes.
Personally I have mixed feelings about Bezos. His networks did help keep everything running during covid. On the other hand his warehouses and the tech he inflicts on his workers is straight out of a sci-fi dystopia.
Quote: billryanQuote: gordonm888Well, I didn't know Jobs, never claimed I did. But I did meet him and asked him a couple of questions. I've been fortunate to meet some number of VIPs in my life.
I rarely see any posts in which you praise successful people (other than musicians). Or ever praise people in this forum. But I do notice that you issue forth a flood of posts that are disrespectful of members who disagree with you about almost anything, and of successful members of society.
Is there anyone in this forum whom you like and respect? any successful Americans with different views than you that you respect?
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I accidentally unblocked you a week or two ago and have generally just skipped your posts.
Why would I praise successful people? I spend a good deal of my time with the forgotten of society and success is seeing them live another month. I have plenty of successful friends, none of them needing sucking up to. When I write about people I admire, you and EB complain to Mike about it. Would you like me to start writing about people I admire again? Just say the word. Who was it that complained that my post about Andre Zirnheld didn't belong here?
Is there anyone here I admire? Nope.
Is there anyone here I respect? Absolutely, and I'm sure they know who they are.
Respect is earned.
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Okay. We're just different people. Peace.
And I barely remember the incident with Andre Zirnfeld's "Paratrooper's Prayer" and I'm not sure whether I took any action on that or not. But I can assure you that I don't "go to Mike" when I see something that I think is a problem (unless there's a possible legal issue). I simply act. And Mike certainly acts on virtually everything without my prompting. I have no knowledge about EB going to Mike about that issue, and I wouldn't share that information with you in any case. I thought the Prayer was beautiful and profound - I really did - but also perhaps that there should be a reasonably transparent reason for posting a prayer on a site named the Wizard of Vegas. I just don't remember any of the specifics, but I invite you to stop assuming I'm behind every setback you have on this site.
One thing that has really surprised me in dealing with young volunteers is their hatred of the super-rich. It runs surprisingly deep.
I don't believe anyone needs billions of dollars. No one makes a billion by themselves, and at some point, you should reward the people who got you there. I think it is disgusting that the Walton family is all billionaires while many of their employees are on government subsidies. Walmart employees make up the largest employer group for both SNAP and Medicaid. Their employees get government money to buy essential goods in their own store—capitalism at its finest.
Is our country better off if Elon makes $5 billion next year, or if it is split among 5,000 of his employees? Who should decide that?
Quote: billryanBezos would have had a better rating a few years ago.
One thing that has really surprised me in dealing with young volunteers is their hatred of the super-rich. It runs surprisingly deep.
I don't believe anyone needs billions of dollars. No one makes a billion by themselves, and at some point, you should reward the people who got you there. I think it is disgusting that the Walton family is all billionaires while many of their employees are on government subsidies. Walmart employees make up the largest employer group for both SNAP and Medicaid. Their employees get government money to buy essential goods in their own store—capitalism at its finest.
Is our country better off if Elon makes $5 billion next year, or if it is split among 5,000 of his employees? Who should decide that?
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This is common among people who are a little smarter than average (or in some cases, not referring to anyone on this site, just think they are!)- a bit of intellectual narcissism. Probably every one of us have sinned in this way at some time.
Analyze what makes you think what you think is so important that everyone else needs to hear it. From that point, of believing in your own importance and intellectual superiority, it's easy to get to "I have the right to express this as rudely as I choose, because it is important everyone gets the message!" and then "Those who disagree are dangerous and malevolent fools, deserving of the pouring out of my righteous wrath on them!'
The young people that you have been interacting with, who still know everything, are especially susceptible to this error. Aren't they annoying?
Who decides what Elon, or Bezos, or the Waltons do with their money? Whoever it is, I can tell you for sure, they will certainly have the power to tell you what to do with yours. I don't think about what can be done to someone without at the same time considering it can be done to me as well. That's my "What goes around, comes around" extension of the Golden Rule.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanBezos would have had a better rating a few years ago.
One thing that has really surprised me in dealing with young volunteers is their hatred of the super-rich. It runs surprisingly deep.
I don't believe anyone needs billions of dollars. No one makes a billion by themselves, and at some point, you should reward the people who got you there. I think it is disgusting that the Walton family is all billionaires while many of their employees are on government subsidies. Walmart employees make up the largest employer group for both SNAP and Medicaid. Their employees get government money to buy essential goods in their own store—capitalism at its finest.
Is our country better off if Elon makes $5 billion next year, or if it is split among 5,000 of his employees? Who should decide that?
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This is common among people who are a little smarter than average (or in some cases, not referring to anyone on this site, just think they are!)- a bit of intellectual narcissism. Probably every one of us have sinned in this way at some time.
Analyze what makes you think what you think is so important that everyone else needs to hear it. From that point, of believing in your own importance and intellectual superiority, it's easy to get to "I have the right to express this as rudely as I choose, because it is important everyone gets the message!" and then "Those who disagree are dangerous and malevolent fools, deserving of the pouring out of my righteous wrath on them!'
The young people that you have been interacting with, who still know everything, are especially susceptible to this error. Aren't they annoying?
Who decides what Elon, or Bezos, or the Waltons do with their money? Whoever it is, I can tell you for sure, they will certainly have the power to tell you what to do with yours. I don't think about what can be done to someone without at the same time considering it can be done to me as well. That's my "What goes around, comes around" extension of the Golden Rule.
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I'd never ask anyone to do something I wouldn't do myself. I'm giving away my wealth by choice and hope others will as well.
Both Forbes and Business Insider have reported that the average billionaire has donated about 1% of their wealth to charity. A handful have donated more than 5% of their worth. Sometimes it takes public pressure to do the right thing.
Quote: DougGanderDid it occur to you that the young people might be right? And that you, and the seven ceo's you are apologizing for, are wrong? And further you might be the one suffering from intellectual vanity....
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Perhaps they are right! But that would have to be demonstrated.
Maybe you can help by speaking for them. I paid attention to what Bill wrote and he used the word "hatred." Please explain to me what condition in our society could be improved if we had more hatred of persons.
I do not believe these juveniles hate the rich, but rather envy them, and hate that they are not also rich. Very flawed thinking? Why would you hate what someone else has? My massive phallus does not make anyone else's smaller.
Never envy someone else's fate or fortune. Steve Jobs was mentioned in this thread. For me to hate him for being so rich while I am not, would be as absurd as him looking down on me from his afterlife and hating me for not dying of cancer at 56. I deserve my good health (along with my massive phallus) even less than he deserved his wealth. Which one of us really got the good breaks?
Hatred, and resentment of the outcomes of others is one of the oldest documented vices. In the Bible, Cain killed Abel because he thought his brother's sacrifice was accepted by God while his was rejected. History, particularly the history of war and genocide is replete with stories that are similar, and we see examples of it all the time in the present day- the universal, timeless vice is resentment and blame of others for what you lack.
-I failed because people of that race oppress people of my race
-I am poor because someone else is rich
-My lifestyle is not accepted because of the people praying in that church
-I am being conspired against by the people praying in that synagogue
In the Stoic philosophical system we demand nothing, blame no one, and depend only on ourselves for improvement of our lives.
Quote: DougGanderDid it occur to you that the young people might be right? And that you, and the seven ceo's you are apologizing for, are wrong? And further you might be the one suffering from intellectual vanity....
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Yes inexperienced young people are almost always right when you compare them to experienced people who've actually accomplished things and who are older. This is why young people rule the world. Oh wait, they don't rule anything. Never mind..
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I'd never ask anyone to do something I wouldn't do myself. I'm giving away my wealth by choice and hope others will as well.
Both Forbes and Business Insider have reported that the average billionaire has donated about 1% of their wealth to charity. A handful have donated more than 5% of their worth. Sometimes it takes public pressure to do the right thing.
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All that wealth you keep hidden in that mobile home you live in, in Arizona? Does this include your Beanie Baby collection, Norman Rockwell plates, and the thousands of modern baseball cards you collected that you can't even sell by the pound. One man's trash is another man's trash also.
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I do not believe these juveniles hate the rich, but rather envy them, and hate that they are not also rich. Very flawed thinking? Why would you hate what someone else has? My massive phallus does not make anyone else's smaller.
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I have heard that having a giant Johnson is more of a curse more than a blessing. Many women say it's uncomfortable rather than pleasurable and I know for a fact that many men get into their fifties and they're pretty much done. Time to start popping Viagra like it was hard candy.
Quote: EvenBobI have heard that having a giant Johnson is more of a curse more than a blessing. Many women say it's uncomfortable rather than pleasurable and I know for a fact that many men get into their fifties and they're pretty much done. Time to start popping Viagra like it was hard candy.
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It’s a blessing until TSA repeatedly stops you for carrying a “suspicious item” in your pants 😞
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I do not believe these juveniles hate the rich, but rather envy them, and hate that they are not also rich. Very flawed thinking? Why would you hate what someone else has? My massive phallus does not make anyone else's smaller.
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I have heard that having a giant Johnson is more of a curse more than a blessing. Many women say it's uncomfortable rather than pleasurable...
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Yes. Most women are better off having the traditional female anatomy.
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Perhaps they are right! But that would have to be demonstrated.
Maybe you can help by speaking for them. I paid attention to what Bill wrote and he used the word "hatred." Please explain to me what condition in our society could be improved if we had more hatred of persons.
I do not believe these juveniles hate the rich, but rather envy them, and hate that they are not also rich. Very flawed thinking? Why would you hate what someone else has? My massive phallus does not make anyone else's smaller.
Never envy someone else's fate or fortune.
Did it occur to you that they may simply want a better life. Where they can afford a mortgage and afford or receive basic healthcare and state support, for a decent wage? As is the case in most civilized countries and was the case for older generations of americans. Rather than the true value of their labour being skimmed off the top by your beloved ceo's to produce asinine pipe dreams.
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Yes inexperienced young people are almost always right when you compare them to experienced people who've actually accomplished things and who are older. This is why young people rule the world. Oh wait, they don't rule anything. Never mind..
Old people rule the world because they inherit wealth and pull the ladder up. That's what young people are complaining about.
Literally no one outside their own small support bases thinks Putin, Xi, Trump etc are good leaders. They are international pariahs.
You think women and young people and (judging from the tone of the thread) foreign people/ethnic minorities are all wrong/bad and this small subset of wealthier, mostly white American men who benefit most from this system are right. I don't think any one buys that bs any more other than old rich white guys.
Just over one percent of the US adult population contributed $200 or more to an election campaign in the last cycle, while 100% of the Fortune 500 corporations did.
Less than 1/10th of the adult population gave over $3,000 to an election campaign, while nearly every Fortune 500 did.
In 2020, nearly $1.9 billion in dark money was contributed to various Presidential campaigns. 2024 will be more, but the numbers aren't all in yet.
My nephew and his girlfriend bought a house last summer. It's a traditional three-family in the heart of Boston, and they may have overextended themselves with the purchase. Now they are losing almost $600 a month in health care subsidies that they have had for the last five years, and which the bank baked into their affordability projections. How many hundred thousand young couples are now in the same situation? At the same time, he had almost a third of his savings in Solerna, which is in the crapper right now, and he's underwater.
Without our family intervening, they would lose their house. Luckily, his parents are in a position to help them a bit, but they aren't going to help pay for the next thirty years.
