Most profitable gambling skill
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Quote: crazyiamWith only ~10% of all poker players being profitable, being only average of those isn't great. Sports betting seems the best play since you can put down large amounts when you know you have a good bet.
I wish I knew when I had a good bet! A difficult aspect of sports betting is not only do you have to win more than you lose, you have to be ahead of the juice you've paid too.
Card counting blackjack players can be banned and have seek out new casinos.
Poker players can play in cash games or tournaments and can play anywhere so its a useful skill even if the pots are small.
Video poker would make the most but if not banned.
Sports betting is a good skill but requires the capital to make large bets as well.
The wheel watchers of the past often times gained edges far in excess of the poker or bj ap players.
Quote: KeyserWhat about roulette visual ballistics? It's also called "wheel watcher". It's a skill.
The wheel watchers of the past often times gained edges far in excess of the poker or bj ap players.
Sounds like a pretty cool skill. As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though.
Quote: KeyserWhat about roulette visual ballistics? It's also called "wheel watcher". It's a skill.
The wheel watchers of the past often times gained edges far in excess of the poker or bj ap players.
Billy Walters has made millions with this strategy.
Quote: rxwineActually, that just gave me an idea for a stunt. A poker table where every player is hooked to a polygraph. Probably no one would speak at all, but the machines would still output graphs of physiological changes regardless which all could observe as they play.
What do poker tells have to do with a roulette wheel?
Quote: JIMMYFOCKERBilly Walters has made millions with this strategy.
No Walters didn't. He won on a biased wheel.
VB is not the same thing. Essentially, such players look at the spinning ball in relation to the spinning rotor and attempt to predict the section where the ball will strike the rotor.
Quote: clarkacalSounds like a pretty cool skill. As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though.
Yeah, the deflecters are a bitch. It would have been a lot easier if the manufacturers hadn't figured out that those little buggers mess up the whole process.
Quote: clarkacalWhat do poker tells have to do with a roulette wheel?
Beats me? What? :)
I was referring to my post 4 minutes earlier, but someone posted in between.
Quote: KeyserNo Walters didn't. He won on a biased wheel.
VB is not the same thing. Essentially, such players look at the spinning ball in relation to the spinning rotor and attempt to predict the section where the ball will strike the rotor.
Gotcha, correct. Thanks for the lesson.
Quote: KeyserThe wheel watchers use to enjoy an edge that made counting cards in a single deck bj game look like panhandling.
Interesting
How common is this practice today?
This assumes that decent return games are available, of course.
Quote: clarkacalSounds like a pretty cool skill. As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though.
"As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though" >>> 100% correct not to mention ball speed and wheel speed. Dont waste your time.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj"As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though" >>> 100% correct not to mention ball speed and wheel speed. Dont waste your time.
Ken
What you you suggest? Oh right, you make piles of money playing systems. I forgot. Funny how I remember reading about Walters, I also have heard of Kaisan. I haven't ever heard of a system player who beat out casinos in same fashion. Really, what would you suggest?
Quote: MarieBicurieWhat you you suggest? Oh right, you make piles of money playing systems. I forgot. Funny how I remember reading about Walters, I also have heard of Kaisan. I haven't ever heard of a system player who beat out casinos in same fashion. Really, what would you suggest?
Its methods, not systems. Please quote correctly. Piles of money? Not sure what you mean by that? Where did I say I ...... 'beat the casinos'? AP (cough) is a myth, sorry.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj"As soon as the ball hits one of the metal bumps it seems it could go anywhere though" >>> 100% correct not to mention ball speed and wheel speed. Dont waste your time.
Actually, Ken is correct, but not for the reason he thinks. It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
Quote: scotty81Actually, Ken is correct, but not for the reason he thinks. It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
Not saying you are wrong but here is my issue....The people that cant cut it in ANY form of roulette play, will be the SAME people claiming they ARE that one out of 1,000 you just described. Its a HIDING place to claim it, a safe haven.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjNot saying you are wrong but here is my issue....The people that cant cut it in ANY form of roulette play, will be the SAME people claiming they ARE that one out of 1,000 you just described. Its a HIDING place to claim it, a safe haven.
Ken
And your proof is where?
Quote: mrjjjIts methods, not systems. Please quote correctly. Piles of money? Not sure what you mean by that? Where did I say I ...... 'beat the casinos'? AP (cough) is a myth, sorry.
Ken
It's important for anyone debating this that Ken views AP to mean ONLY play of Roulette via wheel tracking/biased wheels; that a method is not a system; and that unless you have a better method (system) than his your not entitled to debate with him.
Restaurants (or shares in the same) aren't brought entirely with piles of money won playing roulette methods or systems (rated B+ or better), but sometimes they are.
I've noticed the greener the player, the more confident they are that they can win with their system.
Ken is obviously a very green gambler.
Quote: Wavy70Knowing when to walk is the most profitable skill.
If I knew that, they'd be dimming the lights of the casinos and Steve Wynn would be asking me for spare change by now.
Quote: rxwineIf I knew that, they'd be dimming the lights of the casinos and Steve Wynn would be asking me for spare change by now.
Shame you must fleece the casino owner not slaughter.
Quote: MarieBicurieAnd your proof is where?
Oh, oh.....'prove it'. lol
Well, I've never been to Japan but I know its there. The guys (not all) that CAN NOT cut it playing roulette, make claims of winning with AP (cough) BUT YET, no proof there......Hmmm......different rules I guess.
Ken
Quote: KeyserAccording to Ken, he wins, we lose, and we are all jealous of him because he wins more than all of us.
I've noticed the greener the player, the more confident they are that they can win with their system.
Ken is obviously a very green gambler.
I never said you *ALL* lose, please quote correctly. I never said anything regarding *ALL*, being 'jealous', please quote correctly. Its not a system, its a method.
Ken
I've not seen anyone claim to win with Roulette Wheel tracking (which is not all Advantage Play has to offer, because "AP" is not just looking for biased wheels. Yet you'll continue to say AP doesn't exist despite people showing you a map of Japan).
Ken
Quote: mrjjj"that unless you have a better method (system) than his your not entitled to debate with him" >>> Not sure what there is to debate? I do 'well' and won't apologize for it. Keyser (also: Herb, Caleb, Snowman & Farnsworth3) has thrown in the towel years ago and now HIDES behind AP (cough). Very convenient considering NOTHING can be proven. ROFL
Ken
Would you like a Ricola? Halls?
Quote: TheNightflyWould you like a Ricola? Halls?
Or a lobotomy? ("ROFL")
Quote: TheNightflyWould you like a Ricola? Halls?
Halls, lemon. Thanks bro!
Ken
Quote: rxwineHas the skill for playing live versus non-live poker ever been quantified for players? (tells, reads) Can some poker players smell fear (even if they're not quite sure how they do it)? Forinstance. they show in studies that people react to sweat (or women do at least).
I vaguely recall a poker show where players were hooked up to heart monitors. I haven't seen it in some time though, despite some late night channel surfing.
Sure, particularly females who are about to ovulate.
So what? Its a subtle response to a subtle clue. And its a skill that is dampened by the now widespread use of birth control pills.
With all the tobacco, french fry and urine odors in a casino do you really think the subtle clues of a poker player are going to be all that profitable.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMost profitable gambling skill? Hole-carding by far.
Wrong. In fact, many top holecarders left that biz to move on to poker.
The top gambling moneymakers are the horse racing syndicates led by Benter and Zeiljko. They make even Walters look like a piker.
Quote: KeyserThe wheel watchers use to enjoy an edge that made counting cards in a single deck bj game look like panhandling for spare change.
Card counting? Roulette ballistics? I vote for panhandling for spare change.
