100xOdds
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November 19th, 2024 at 5:19:29 PM permalink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem

With 23 individuals, there are ⁠
(23 × 22)/2⁠ = 253 pairs to consider, far more than half the number of days in a year.

If that's the case, why 23?
365 days in a year.

20 individuals:
(20x19)/2 = 190, which is still more than half the number of days in a year.

Why not 20 people?
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November 19th, 2024 at 6:17:35 PM permalink
Because there will be some sets with more than one shared birthday. So if you repeated the experiment 1,000,000 times with sets of 183 pairs to test, there will be 500,000 total shared birthdays, but because some sets have more than one there has to be more than 50% with zero, and we are looking for a probability per test of 50%.
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November 19th, 2024 at 9:41:47 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem

With 23 individuals, there are ⁠
(23 × 22)/2⁠ = 253 pairs to consider, far more than half the number of days in a year.

If that's the case, why 23?
365 days in a year.

20 individuals:
(20x19)/2 = 190, which is still more than half the number of days in a year.

Why not 20 people?
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(364/365)^X = 50%

Solve for X
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November 20th, 2024 at 1:19:36 PM permalink
Not exactly Another way to state the math in OPs link:

Pr(# of matching birthdays >= 2) = 1 - (365/365 * 364/365 * 363/365 * ),

where the number of terms in the parentheses equals the number of people in the room.

With 20 people, the probability is only 41.14%, and with 23, its 50.73%.

By the time you get to 83 people, the probability is essentially 100% (actually 99.9959%, which rounds to 100.00%).
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November 20th, 2024 at 3:52:27 PM permalink
Quote: camapl

By the time you get to 83 people, the probability is essentially 100% (actually 99.9959%, which rounds to 100.00%).
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With 83 random people in a room, it's almost guaranteed that 2 people have the same bday?!

83/365day = 22.7%
22.7% get's you effectively 100%?!? Wished this applied to lotto tix.
and Apparently i failed probability/statistics class.
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November 20th, 2024 at 4:20:51 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: camapl

By the time you get to 83 people, the probability is essentially 100% (actually 99.9959%, which rounds to 100.00%).
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With 83 random people in a room, it's almost guaranteed that 2 people have the same bday?!

83/365day = 22.7%
22.7% get's you effectively 100%?!? Wished this applied to lotto tix.
and Apparently i failed probability/statistics class.
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That 22.7% is the odds that one of the 83 people shares one particular birthday, like *your* birthday. You need to consider that the shared birthday could be any day.
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November 20th, 2024 at 8:02:10 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: camapl

By the time you get to 83 people, the probability is essentially 100% (actually 99.9959%, which rounds to 100.00%).
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With 83 random people in a room, it's almost guaranteed that 2 people have the same bday?!

83/365day = 22.7%
22.7% get's you effectively 100%?!? Wished this applied to lotto tix.
and Apparently i failed probability/statistics class.
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I gave the equation to you.

(364/365)^X = 50%. Solve for X

You find that the answer is very close to (23 x 22)/2. Which is why 23 people is the breakeven(ish) number of people.
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November 20th, 2024 at 8:03:08 PM permalink
Quote: camapl

Not exactly Another way to state the math in OPs link:

Pr(# of matching birthdays >= 2) = 1 - (365/365 * 364/365 * 363/365 * ),

where the number of terms in the parentheses equals the number of people in the room.

With 20 people, the probability is only 41.14%, and with 23, its 50.73%.

By the time you get to 83 people, the probability is essentially 100% (actually 99.9959%, which rounds to 100.00%).
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No my formula is exactly.
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