My new hobby, and how to finance it
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64 ft, that's 8 ft by 8 ft, is that a joke? Do you have any idea how small that is? It's about the size of the old fashioned small prison cells. The average new prison cell is 70 to 80 square feet, and they're locked up prisoners and they get better space than these homeless people do. 64 square feet I'm claustrophobic just thinking about it. I'm betting they don't have their own air conditioning so it's going to be sweltering in there, a tiny space like that. I guarantee that within a month it will be the epicenter for drug use and drug sales in that area. 95% of those people are drug addicts there's nothing better than centralized location to get your drugs. In 6 months the city will be saying what were we thinking, this place is nothing but drugs and crime. Mark my words. I remember when they started building the 'projects' around big cities for poor people to live in. Took a very short time for it to become racked with crime and drugs and gangs.
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Unlike prison, they're not stuck there all the time. The idea is to have a place to sleep with a roof.
I have lived in a small space before to save money. There's nothing wrong with that.
I agree that keeping out the drugs is going to be the number one job. If they don't enforce the rules, it is doomed.
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8x8 is a typical size for a camp tent and one can live in those indefinitely.
But I would have a bigger concern with this arrangement: I urge Bill or anyone else who has influence in this project to insist on a rule where all of these units must be opened and inspected by an authority every day!
If that does not happen, I assure you:
Someone will be held in there against their will, invariably a woman or minor.
Pet animals will be neglected in there.
Someone will have to experience the horror of handling the decomposing deceased.
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I am not involved in this, except as an interested observer who made a small donation towards the next site. I'd seen them building the site and thought it was going to be a weird bed and breakfast.
I would imagine all of your concerns have been addressed in the rules. Although these are the first minivillages in Tucson, they're modeled after successful parks elsewhere.
The mini-homes are small, but they are designed primarily for sleeping and storing belongings in a secure location. They have a type of mini mini-split. It doesn't take much to cool an 8x8 room.
A Las Vegas company is working on a 10x12 foldable shelter designed for the homeless that can be mass-produced.
When your previous sleeping quarters was sharing a bus stop shelter with a dozen people, a shed is paradise.
As for your last concern, thats what pot luck dinners are for.
Quote: avianrandySo the residents are not allowed to have a pet such as ,say a cat?
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I don't know. I've only met one homeless person with a cat. I've seen dogs of all sizes and ages, but only one cat. I'm not familiar with the rules, but Arizona is generally considered pet-friendly.
Is there a common area with toilets? With a shower facility?
I assume that washing machines are too much to provide.
And these units are cooled in the summer? And heated in the winter? With air circulating through the shed? if so, it sounds expensive.
Whomever owns the property that adjoins this site is going to experience a reduction in their property values.
In checking through the mini-home villages in other states, it does seem like they eventually start charging a monthly fee for living there. And some of them have a maximum stay of, say, two years. One can imagine that these fees and maximum stay rules eventually were adopted for good reasons.
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64 ft, that's 8 ft by 8 ft, is that a joke? Do you have any idea how small that is? It's about the size of the old fashioned small prison cells. The average new prison cell is 70 to 80 square feet, and they're locked up prisoners and they get better space than these homeless people do. 64 square feet I'm claustrophobic just thinking about it. I'm betting they don't have their own air conditioning so it's going to be sweltering in there, a tiny space like that. I guarantee that within a month it will be the epicenter for drug use and drug sales in that area. 95% of those people are drug addicts there's nothing better than centralized location to get your drugs. In 6 months the city will be saying what were we thinking, this place is nothing but drugs and crime. Mark my words. I remember when they started building the 'projects' around big cities for poor people to live in. Took a very short time for it to become racked with crime and drugs and gangs.
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Unlike prison, they're not stuck there all the time. The idea is to have a place to sleep with a roof.
I have lived in a small space before to save money. There's nothing wrong with that.
I agree that keeping out the drugs is going to be the number one job. If they don't enforce the rules, it is doomed.
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If they strictly enforce keeping out the drugs no homeless people will stay there. It'll be 95% empty.
Quote: gordonm888My experience with homeless is that they harbor a deep defiance about obeying rules. At the most, some of them will provide lip service towards the rules until no one is looking.
Is there a common area with toilets? With a shower facility?
I assume that washing machines are too much to provide.
And these units are cooled in the summer? And heated in the winter? With air circulating through the shed? if so, it sounds expensive.
Whomever owns the property that adjoins this site is going to experience a reduction in their property values.
In checking through the mini-home villages in other states, it does seem like they eventually start charging a monthly fee for living there. And some of them have a maximum stay of, say, two years. One can imagine that these fees and maximum stay rules eventually were adopted for good reasons.
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These were described as 8 by 8 ft shacks, and you don't air condition or heat a shack, it would cost a veritable fortune. And if they were to have window air conditioners the crooked homeless drug addicts, which is most of them, would just steal them and sell them. Same thing for heaters. Drug addicts will steal anything and I mean anything if they think they can get a little money for more drugs. They steal from each other constantly. This place is a disaster before it even opens because it doesn't have a single hope of being successful.
Quote: gordonm888My experience with homeless is that they harbor a deep defiance about obeying rules. At the most, some of them will provide lip service towards the rules until no one is looking.
Is there a common area with toilets? With a shower facility?
I assume that washing machines are too much to provide.
And these units are cooled in the summer? And heated in the winter? With air circulating through the shed? if so, it sounds expensive.
Whomever owns the property that adjoins this site is going to experience a reduction in their property values.
In checking through the mini-home villages in other states, it does seem like they eventually start charging a monthly fee for living there. And some of them have a maximum stay of, say, two years. One can imagine that these fees and maximum stay rules eventually were adopted for good reasons.
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Two lavatory trailers that say on the side that they are self-cleaning. Each unit is climate-controlled. Again, it doesn't take much to cool or heat a 64-square-foot room. Currently, the showers are basic, utilizing solar-heated camping showers. It's the start of a new community, if it works out. If not, the sheds are hauled away on a few flatbeds., and Tucson has another empty lot.
This may not be suitable for everyone if the rules are enforced, but it could be an opportunity for the right person. One of the programs is a 12-week baking course followed by an apprenticeship.
The only mini-village I'm familiar with is in Vegas, but that was set up as an artist colony, where you got your first year free and then paid a portion of the rent.
I believe I saw that the village is a small gated community with 24/7 security.
They're somewhat heavy so no one without transportation will be stealing them, and they don't have much resale value being they wear out, there is no way to test them on the street, and the kind of people who own property like that aren't going to be buying stolen ones to save some pennies. A large property usually has a storage room with a bunch of spares and the big savings is you don't need an electrician or HVAC guy to replace them, just a guy with a screwdriver and who knows how to use it.
Arizona doesn't have much rain or cold so it would seem that shelter would be less essential than in Minnesota or coastal Washington or Buffalo.
Well, it may be a worthwhile experiment. I imagine the officials who run this mini-village are going to discover some truths about the homeless that many of us already know.
Sheltering a person and allowing them to earn their keep is a first step towards restoring their dignity.
Quote: DieterFrom what I've seen of the shelters, the cooling system is more permanently attached than a window A/C unit. While there may still be scrap value in the heat exchangers and tubing, it is less readily portable.
I believe I saw that the village is a small gated community with 24/7 security.
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There is a manager and an electronic gate, but I'm unsure about 24-hour security, beyond the presence of cameras.
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterFrom what I've seen of the shelters, the cooling system is more permanently attached than a window A/C unit. While there may still be scrap value in the heat exchangers and tubing, it is less readily portable.
I believe I saw that the village is a small gated community with 24/7 security.
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There is a manager and an electronic gate, but I'm unsure about 24-hour security, beyond the presence of cameras.
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Fair enough. The brief write-up I saw just said "24 hour security", without mention of how such is provided.
I can only presume that a few cameras would be a deterrent against ripping a 100+ pound HVAC unit out of the wall and trying to lump it to a scrapper.
Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterFrom what I've seen of the shelters, the cooling system is more permanently attached than a window A/C unit. While there may still be scrap value in the heat exchangers and tubing, it is less readily portable.
I believe I saw that the village is a small gated community with 24/7 security.
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There is a manager and an electronic gate, but I'm unsure about 24-hour security, beyond the presence of cameras.
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Fair enough. The brief write-up I saw just said "24 hour security", without mention of how such is provided.
I can only presume that a few cameras would be a deterrent against ripping a 100+ pound HVAC unit out of the wall and trying to lump it to a scrapper.
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Never mind about most of the stuff I said. I did some research and the people they let live here are not going to be your average homeless drug addicts. They're going to be extremely vetted and interviewed and only men under the age of 25 or over the age of 50 will be admitted, don't ask me why. If you have drugs or weapons on you you will not be allowed on the premises because it looks like they will search you. They have a whole bunch of job teaching programs so these are going to be way above average homeless people, whoever is doing this is not tackling the real problem at all. The real problem is the drug addicted homeless which is most of them. So they're going to cherry pick who they live here just to make themselves look good. A security fence, 24-hour security, high tech video surveillance, this is more like a middle level prison than a homeless Village.
Quote: avianrandySo the residents are not allowed to have a pet such as ,say a cat?
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Cats and many breeds of dogs are allowed, with a weight limit.
It's a corner house and the entrance is through an alley in the back so as to not to disturb the neighbors.
I'm one of three volunteers, although after training, there will be one or two.
Access to the house is by reservation only, and the doors are open from 8 AM to 9:15 AM. No one is admitted after 9:15 AM, and if a client leaves the property during the day, they are not allowed to re-enter.
A breakfast of rolls and cereals is served, and the volunteers are responsible for providing lunch for the clients. Lunch today is canned ravioli, salad, garlic bread, and powdered lemonade. $28 total cost . My fellow volunteers gave me $10 each, so I came out ahead.
It is a little after 10, and six of the clients are sleeping on cots, three are watching tv( although one has his eyes closed) one is doing laundry and two are showering. Each client leaves with two new t-shirts, two pairs of socks, and an assortment of useful items- sunblock, hat, solar flashlight, ect..
As this is a new center and to avoid issues with neighbors, only select clients are invited to this location. A much larger cooling center, in a church rec hall, is a few blocks away and open to all.
I'm not sure what I expected, but it is boring. The clients are aware that any violation of the rules will result in the loss of house privileges. It is 93 right now, and a thunder storm is expected later this afternoon. It's a good day to be indoors.
Quote: billryan...Lunch today is canned ravioli...
In related news, the Italian government has brought charges of crimes against humanity at the World Court against a homeless shelter in Arizona.
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Each client leaves with two new t-shirts, two pairs of socks, and an assortment of useful items- sunblock, hat, solar flashlight, ect..
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Hasn't sunblock recently been determined to be more of a carcinogen than the sunlight that it blocks? The internet is flush with people warning us not to use sunscreen. What a way to reduce the homeless population in Arizona!
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Each client leaves with two new t-shirts, two pairs of socks, and an assortment of useful items- sunblock, hat, solar flashlight, ect..
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Hasn't sunblock recently been determined to be more of a carcinogen than the sunlight that it blocks? The internet is flush with people warning us not to use sunscreen. What a way to reduce the homeless population in Arizona!
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Doesn't matter most of them will be dead long before the skin cancer kill though from drug overdoses.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryan...Lunch today is canned ravioli...
In related news, the Italian government has brought charges of crimes against humanity at the World Court against a homeless shelter in Arizona.
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This is the super good ravioli, it comes in a number 10 can with no label on it and the second ingredient is sugar for all the diabetics in the crowd. And with drug addicts there's always lots of diabetics.
link to original postQuote: billryanEach client leaves with two new t-shirts, two pairs of socks, and an assortment of useful items- sunblock, hat, solar flashlight, ect..
Very thoughtful, they now have things they can sell on the street and make money for drugs. And I'm not making a joke.
Quote:I'm not sure what I expected, but it is boring.
Because homeless drug addicts are so exciting and wonderful to be around, how could it ever be boring. I'm sure you were expecting a hundred thank yous and pat's on the back and all kinds of praise from the inmates. When the truth is they totally expect you and others to act this way, they're not grateful, they're not thankful, they'll be back with their hands out tomorrow. And next week and next month. Probably not next year cuz they'll be dead by then.
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Each client leaves with two new t-shirts, two pairs of socks, and an assortment of useful items- sunblock, hat, solar flashlight, ect..
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Hasn't sunblock recently been determined to be more of a carcinogen than the sunlight that it blocks? The internet is flush with people warning us not to use sunscreen. What a way to reduce the homeless population in Arizona!
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No I'm pretty sure that's a myth. Next to a hat and shirt, the best sunscreen is zinc oxide which is a very benign and inert substance. Some of the objection to sunscreen has been political, and you don't have to think too far out of the box to guess the specifics of the objection.
There was a theory that some sunscreen ingredients block the wavelengths that produce vitamin D and fumarate but not the deeper penetrating long UV wavelengths, leaving you more susceptible to cancers than if you used nothing at all. I don't know how much that has been followed up on.
"2019 research shows that some chemicals found in sunscreen don’t just sit on top of the skin and absorb the sun’s rays, but instead, actually seep into the bloodstream.
And in 2021, many spray-style sunscreens and after-sun products available in the U.S. were recalled by the FDA for containing benzene, a chemical known for its potential to cause cancer
The 2019 study, which included just 24 people, found four main chemicals that were the cause for concern:
Avobenzone
Oxybenzone
Octocrylene
Ecamsule
Researchers found that all four chemicals were found in the participant’s blood in just one day — and after four days, the levels of those chemicals surged past the U.S Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) guidelines.
Until more is known about how chemicals like benzene affect us, it’s best to avoid spray-style or aerosol sunscreens.
So, what sunscreen is safe? Dr. Vij says it’s best to go for mineral-based sunscreen (also called physical sunscreen) that contain ingredients like titanium dioxide or zinc oxide."
Quote: billryanThe internet is full of people eating Tide pods and auditing bank drive-thrus. I've even heard that not all the advice offered is very sage
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Auditing bank drive thrus?
Explain?
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: billryanThe internet is full of people eating Tide pods and auditing bank drive-thrus. I've even heard that not all the advice offered is very sage
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Auditing bank drive thrus?
Explain?
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It's really too silly to explain. Unemployed fools, hoping to get clicks for their YouTube channels will go to a business and film it from just off the property. They pretend they are auditing the business to see if their First Amendment rights will be respected but what they really want is an on-camera confrontation that will go viral and earn enough money that Mom lets them sleep on her couch another week.
"If you're doing it just to be seen, it's not giving."
No virtue signaling from Clint Eastwood. But tons of it from the wannabes.
Quote: EvenBobClint Eastwood has donated to charity in his life over 400 million dollars. This is what he says about charitable giving.
"If you're doing it just to be seen, it's not giving."
No virtue signaling from Clint Eastwood. But tons of it from the wannabes.
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That's related to what I've been saying all along about this. A guy like Clint Eastwood, he could volunteer in a homeless shelter.
He could also use that time to take a small part in a movie, with maybe a dozen lines they might even let him ad lib because he's Clint Eastwood, and make enough to build and furnish a homeless shelter. The work at the shelter should be reserved for those who have nothing better to offer. And that work should be respected as well. But it is less respectable when it is done by those who could do much more. This is something I learned from the many schoolteachers I have disappointed.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobClint Eastwood has donated to charity in his life over 400 million dollars. This is what he says about charitable giving.
"If you're doing it just to be seen, it's not giving."
No virtue signaling from Clint Eastwood. But tons of it from the wannabes.
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That's related to what I've been saying all along about this. A guy like Clint Eastwood, he could volunteer in a homeless shelter.
He could also use that time to take a small part in a movie, with maybe a dozen lines they might even let him ad lib because he's Clint Eastwood, and make enough to build and furnish a homeless shelter. The work at the shelter should be reserved for those who have nothing better to offer. And that work should be respected as well. But it is less respectable when it is done by those who could do much more. This is something I learned from the many schoolteachers I have disappointed.
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I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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Before Jesus was crucified a woman came in and poured a very expensive perfume on his head and the disciples all moaned and groaned that it was a waste and the perfume should have been sold and the money given to the poor. This is what Jesus said.
“Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a
beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have
with you, but you will not always have me."
Basically what he's saying is screw the poor, I'm doing something important, I mean something, she's right in pouring the expensive perfume on me. You're always going to have poor people around no matter what you do. They aren't going anywhere, ever. So if you have a choice help people who are going to change things, help people who are going to mean something to humanity. The only thing poor people are is a burden, and they always will be. Duh.
So you keep working in your little shelters keep virtue signaling to all of us how wonderful you are. You're changing nothing, all you're doing is keeping the lifestyle going which seems to be fine and dandy with you. You're getting way more out of this than the bums you are helping but you'll never see that of course.
Quote: billryanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobClint Eastwood has donated to charity in his life over 400 million dollars. This is what he says about charitable giving.
"If you're doing it just to be seen, it's not giving."
No virtue signaling from Clint Eastwood. But tons of it from the wannabes.
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That's related to what I've been saying all along about this. A guy like Clint Eastwood, he could volunteer in a homeless shelter.
He could also use that time to take a small part in a movie, with maybe a dozen lines they might even let him ad lib because he's Clint Eastwood, and make enough to build and furnish a homeless shelter. The work at the shelter should be reserved for those who have nothing better to offer. And that work should be respected as well. But it is less respectable when it is done by those who could do much more. This is something I learned from the many schoolteachers I have disappointed.
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I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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Maybe I wasn't clear about what I meant. A person who can do brain surgery, can earn enough from a surgery to employ several people with much more limited skills to work in a shelter, providing those people with jobs and providing relief services to the bums. Why not do that instead?
It's as if a surgeon at the hospital declined to do a surgery, and instead opted to work a shift in the hospital cafeteria. To prove... I don't know, what would he be proving by doing that? All I see that doing is he is depriving someone of their surgery and he is depriving the kind of person who would normally be working in the cafeteria of a day's pay. I do not know what all of your capabilities are thus I am slow to criticize. When I do my part to care for the needy, I use my magical powers in the rest of the world to make numbers appear in the bank accounts of the organizations which specialize in that. And every year they send me letters telling me I'm doing OK, keep doing that.
I might give two hours, but I receive so much more. Why would I pay someone else to do that?
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I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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The poor people you help are bums. Bums are a subset of all poor people. The working poor don't need bagged lunches, socks, the use of someone's air conditioned house, or a tarp and pallets to build an illegal dwelling. Why? Because the working poor WORK. The people to whom you give bagged lunches, socks, sit inside someone's air conditioned house to watch them sleep, and the illegal dwellings made of tarps and pallets are BUMS. Those are people who refuse to work, most of them are druggies, and they think they are entitled to everything. If someone doesn't give them what they want, they'll just steal it. They have zero morals. They deserve zero assistance.
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I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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The poor people you help are bums. Bums are a subset of all poor people. The working poor don't need bagged lunches, socks, the use of someone's air conditioned house, or a tarp and pallets to build an illegal dwelling. Why? Because the working poor WORK. The people to whom you give bagged lunches, socks, sit inside someone's air conditioned house to watch them sleep, and the illegal dwellings made of tarps and pallets are BUMS. Those are people who refuse to work, most of them are druggies, and they think they are entitled to everything. If someone doesn't give them what they want, they'll just steal it. They have zero morals. They deserve zero assistance.
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Interestingly Peter Santanello the YouTube documentary maker did a story today on Los Angeles in the last 10 days. He talked to several people about the homeless. The first one was a black guy who's a volunteer every Thursday to give things away to the homeless and he said the vast majority of them want to remain homeless because they have it made. All their needs are taken care of, they get food clothes Healthcare and they don't have to do a thing for it. Their lives are basically stress-free and they just get to remain messed up on drugs all the time. They talked to a construction worker who is renovating a hotel to be used for the homeless and he said they aren't going anywhere as long as we keep giving them everything. You can't really call them poor people because they're poor by choice. This is the lifestyle they choose and they are not poor at all because they get everything they need. There are lots of places in the world that have true poor people that have no money get nothing from anybody and have no prospects. We don't have those in the United States. What we have is lazy bums and guilt-ridden people that support them.
Quote: KevinAAQuote: billryan
I'm sure that many of you are too valuable to waste at a shelter. It does seem rather silly to have someone handing out bagged lunches when they could be performing life-saving brain surgery or hustling a slot machine. The poor and their problems should take a back seat to collect free play from the local casinos. There are priorities here, and one must certainly look out for oneself before wasting time on people who don't matter.
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The poor people you help are bums. Bums are a subset of all poor people. The working poor don't need bagged lunches, socks, the use of someone's air conditioned house, or a tarp and pallets to build an illegal dwelling. Why? Because the working poor WORK. The people to whom you give bagged lunches, socks, sit inside someone's air conditioned house to watch them sleep, and the illegal dwellings made of tarps and pallets are BUMS. Those are people who refuse to work, most of them are druggies, and they think they are entitled to everything. If someone doesn't give them what they want, they'll just steal it. They have zero morals. They deserve zero assistance.
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Studies show that over half of the residents of men's shelters have jobs. A large percentage of people living in their cars have jobs.
Whatever their circumstances, they are my brothers. If I see someone who is hungry, I won't, in good conscience, pass them by.
I see a problem that isn't being adequately addressed and I'm doing what I can to correct it. I've no idea why it upsets some people.
But not just an ordinary zoo. Maybe a safari park. It would be a fenced in, linear stretch of road that doesn't have much other use, and we can set it up like the animal enclosures at the safari park. People would pay a small admission to drive through and see the bums. Buses with schoolchildren will come through on class trips, allowing the children to see one of the potential consequences of living the undisciplined life.
A few zookeepers would be hired to make sure they have food and water, shelters are available and occasionally shovel out the squalor. A veterinarian specializing in primates will see to their health. Visitors would be allowed to feed them too, give them alcohol, money and simple possessions, and the drug dealers will also drive through to do business so they won't try too hard to escape.
And then the bums will learn tricks and to imitate favorite zoo animals in order to increase their popularity. Some will climb trees, others will dig holes, and others will make nests out of debris. A stream will be there for those who choose the role of the mighty hippopotamus. Bums dressed in grey will slowly strut, trumpeting through discarded radiator hoses they hold against their faces.There will be an Outback section, where bums with plastic grocery bags taped to their abdomens will hop around to the music of Australia's greatest composer, Rolf Harris.
Eventually they may come to be defined as a new species of hominid, Homo derelictus.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyI have an idea! What if a city rounded up all their bums and put them in... a zoo!
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You are making a joke but I really believe this is how it's going to end up. It won't be a zoo but eventually society will get sick of these freeloaders and put them in some place where they're all together out of our way. If people stopped supporting them, they would give up that lifestyle and find another way to live when they had to support themselves. There will always be people who will take the easiest route and you have to literally force them out of it. Yes there are mentally challenged people among the homeless but the vast majority of them are just lazy worthless slobs who have no self-esteem and no esteem for anybody else and they will gladly take whatever they can get from you and laugh at you behind your back.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkeyI have an idea! What if a city rounded up all their bums and put them in... a zoo!
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You are making a joke but I really believe this is how it's going to end up. It won't be a zoo but eventually society will get sick of these freeloaders and put them in some place where they're all together out of our way. If people stopped supporting them, they would give up that lifestyle and find another way to live when they had to support themselves. There will always be people who will take the easiest route and you have to literally force them out of it. Yes there are mentally challenged people among the homeless but the vast majority of them are just lazy worthless slobs who have no self-esteem and no esteem for anybody else and they will gladly take whatever they can get from you and laugh at you behind your back.
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Bums should be relocated to a work camp. It should be illegal to enable them, much like feeding wildlife.
If bums won't look for work on their own, they need to be given something to do. Sort recyclables, etc.
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
One thing I can be sure of is no one here is changing anyone here’s mind on the subject.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So, you're posting that the 'WORDS" are meaningless because the author has no credibility? Seems to be blatantly prejudicial.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So, you're posting that the 'WORDS" are meaningless because the author has no credibility? Seems to be blatantly prejudicial.
tuttigym
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No way. What are words worth?
Words in papers? Words in books?...Words on TV? Words for crooks?
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So as to not waste Gordon's time any more, I wonder if he would be willing to inform us what person or person has the credibility that Lou Reed lacks.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So as to not waste Gordon's time any more, I wonder if he would be willing to inform us what person or person has the credibility that Lou Reed lacks.
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My answer was a satire on the way that Billryan responds to my posts. Ex: I say there are internet posts about sunscreen having health risks and he says that there are internet reports about people eating laundry soap pods.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So as to not waste Gordon's time any more, I wonder if he would be willing to inform us what person or person has the credibility that Lou Reed lacks.
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My answer was a satire on the way that Billryan responds to my posts. Ex: I say there are internet posts about sunscreen having health risks and he says that there are internet reports about people eating laundry soap pods.
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Both are true. But you haven't answered the question. Or do accept Lou Reed's statement are valid and worthwhile?
