My new hobby, and how to finance it
Does a man of good conscience help the less fortunate or does he mock them?
To me, the answer is obvious,
Quote: WizardI have received a complaint about hijacking in this thread. I haven't followed it for a while, but see it has drifted from one person's hobby to feed the homeless to sodomy in male homeless shelters.
For now, I'm issuing a warning to keep the topic directly on feeding the homeless. Let's also keep it family friendly.
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...Does a man of good conscience help the less fortunate or does he mock them?...
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What if he does both?
Mockery can be good. It disrupts habits of thought and helps us see things from a different perspective. You're experiencing that here, and before this discussion you may not have understood why some people might think your benevolent acts have a downside, but I think everyone is doing a reasonable job in explaining it. I'm not sure if anything we are capable of is unalloyed good or bad, and no one is capable of analyzing the effects of his actions from all different perspectives. It takes someone yelling at us "What the hell do you think you're doing?" to understand how someone else experiences our actions, sometimes.
If it makes a difference to you, I don't think the way you are spoken to here sometimes is called for.
Mr. Wizard has requested that this thread focus on feeding the homeless. I have and wish the powers that be would enforce it on those who don't.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So as to not waste Gordon's time any more, I wonder if he would be willing to inform us what person or person has the credibility that Lou Reed lacks.
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My answer was a satire on the way that Billryan responds to my posts. Ex: I say there are internet posts about sunscreen having health risks and he says that there are internet reports about people eating laundry soap pods.
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Both are true. But you haven't answered the question. Or do accept Lou Reed's statement are valid and worthwhile?
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As a general statement I don't think that musicians and entertainers are necessarily good life models. I would hope to judge them as individuals after hearing them talk for a while and understanding their life experiences. I have never heard Lou Reed talk. Is he intelligent, sincere and a decent person? I don't have a clue. And I found that Lou Reed quote to be ridiculously naive and an over simplification of a complex world.
If we meet Adolf Hitler or Charles Manson, should we offer them a blanket and a water bottle? Must we "find the time to help" as Lou Reed advocates, if we meet Pol Pot or Son of Sam or Sean Diddy? And, to bring this back to topic, I have found the homeless people that I have met to be lazy, selfish, dishonest and abusive, on the bell curve of humanity they are closer to Hitler that to Mother Teresa. My opinion. Where do you draw the line between people you help and people you won't help - given that you have finite resources to allocate? I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas.
You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.Quote: billryanFrankly, I don't give a crap ( I'd use a stronger word but suspect gordo has an itchy finger) about how people talk to me. I do care about how they target the weakest and most vulnerable members of society. I find it sad and pathetic and believe it speaks volumes about their character.
Mr. Wizard has requested that this thread focus on feeding the homeless. I have and wish the powers that be would enforce it on those who don't.
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Quote: billryanIt takes a very small man to degrade an entire segment of society.
Does a man of good conscience help the less fortunate or does he mock them?
To me, the answer is obvious,
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Quote: billryanFrankly, I don't give a crap ( I'd use a stronger word but suspect gordo has an itchy finger) about how people talk to me. I do care about how they target the weakest and most vulnerable members of society. I find it sad and pathetic and believe it speaks volumes about their character.
Mr. Wizard has requested that this thread focus on feeding the homeless. I have and wish the powers that be would enforce it on those who don't.
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Arte you joking, you care so much you block people who disagree with you.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: gordonm888Quote: billryanAs Lou Reed said "The best of society always finds the time to help, while the saddest can only find time to criticize."
The smallest gesture trumps the best intentions.
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Hmmm. I'll respond to this in the same way that billryan responds to my posts:
Not sure why any of us should be interested in what a musical performer says. What wisdom do they have? Next you'll be quoting Sean Diddy or Syd Vicious at us. No thank you.
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So as to not waste Gordon's time any more, I wonder if he would be willing to inform us what person or person has the credibility that Lou Reed lacks.
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My answer was a satire on the way that Billryan responds to my posts. Ex: I say there are internet posts about sunscreen having health risks and he says that there are internet reports about people eating laundry soap pods.
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Both are true. But you haven't answered the question. Or do accept Lou Reed's statement are valid and worthwhile?
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As a general statement I don't think that musicians and entertainers are necessarily good life models. I would hope to judge them as individuals after hearing them talk for a while and understanding their life experiences. I have never heard Lou Reed talk. Is he intelligent, sincere and a decent person? I don't have a clue. And I found that Lou Reed quote to be ridiculously naive and an over simplification of a complex world.
If we meet Adolf Hitler or Charles Manson, should we offer them a blanket and a water bottle? Must we "find the time to help" as Lou Reed advocates, if we meet Pol Pot or Son of Sam or Sean Diddy? And, to bring this back to topic, I have found the homeless people that I have met to be lazy, selfish, dishonest and abusive, on the bell curve of humanity they are closer to Hitler that to Mother Teresa. My opinion. Where do you draw the line between people you help and people you won't help - given that you have finite resources to allocate? I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas.
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Who do we give college schlorships to, hard working students or some bum living
under a bridge. We give the most help to the people whio will give us the most
return for our time and money. Even Jesus got it right, teach a man to fish,
don't keep giving him handouts.
Quote: gordonm888You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.
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Never forget before Saint Billy was born he was the most suspended member for
personal insults.
It's only 54 inches tall, with no freezer but seems perfect for my needs. $25 and I picked it up myself.
Quote: rxwineIf I don't know if I'm really helping someone or just enabling them to continue living in the street, I'm not giving anything.
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Providing someone with food helps them survive, regardless of their circumstances. I rarely give people money, and one of the last times I did it was because the guy told me he needed forty-three cents to buy a quart of beer. I appreciated his honesty, and it was around 730 AM.
What if the choice is helping them live on the streets or them dying? It's not as if most of them are on the streets by choice.
The Primerva Foundation claims over 270 people died from exposure in Tucson last year, while the Tucson Police put it at just over 200.
Either number is too much for me. I'm in a position to help, and my conscience dictates that I do.
Quote: rxwineIf I don't know if I'm really helping someone or just enabling them to continue living in the street, I'm not giving anything.
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I dealt with these people on a day-to-day basis for three and a half years and what you come to find out is the more you give to them the more they resent you and mock you behind your back. They have a tremendous sense of entitlement. Deep down they're jealous that you have a job and a steady income but they're too lazy to get one. Oh they will act grateful and even kind when you're actually handing them something but that's not how they feel inside for the most part. They have great disdain for people who give them things. And on top of that most of them are crooks and drug addicts. I'm talking about the American bums, in countries like Pakistan where they have truly poor people they probably have a much different attitude. Or maybe they don't, I don't know.
Some items were 40% off, plus an additional 10% for using Prime Rewards.
Space may be an issue, so I ordered a bunch for same-day delivery, and tonight I'll see how much more I can fit.
I also picked up a 10-inch Amazon Fire tablet for $70. These are great little gadgets for their intended purpose. Incredible graphics.
Quote: gordonm888]You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.
You dehumanized millions of people. Survivors of physical and sexual assault, people with mental illness, ptsd etc. And you are calling Ryan "mean-spirited"? Some hypocrisy there.
"I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas."
To use the same judgmental logic you were using with the homeless: why should any one help out a bunch of reactionary bigots who voted to sack all their weather forecasters and then got screwed when it rained hard?
Quote: billryanIt's Amazon Prime Days, and some great deals to be had. Several items I buy regularly were 40% off, so I took advantage of the sale.
Some items were 40% off, plus an additional 10% for using Prime Rewards.
Space may be an issue, so I ordered a bunch for same-day delivery, and tonight I'll see how much more I can fit.
I also picked up a 10-inch Amazon Fire tablet for $70. These are great little gadgets for their intended purpose. Incredible graphics.
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Two hours and eight minutes for the first shipment to arrive. I picked up a bunch of ice pops that have electrolytes. It's been years since I had one and they seem to be much smaller. At 40% off, they cost the same as the generic ones.
Choice Hotels recently had a half-price sale on Amazon gift cards so my final discount on these items is incredible. One item was reduced to 80% off, at $19.99, and I received 10% cash back of $2 by using my Rewards card. I paid for it with a gift card I had purchased at half price, so $100 worth of single-use water flavors was less than $10 after tax.
Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: gordonm888]You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.
You dehumanized millions of people. Survivors of physical and sexual assault, people with mental illness, ptsd etc. And you are calling Ryan "mean-spirited"? Some hypocrisy there.
"I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas."
To use the same judgmental logic you were using with the homeless: why should any one help out a bunch of reactionary bigots who voted to sack all their weather forecasters and then got screwed when it rained hard?
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More political talk, what's wrong with you people.
Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: gordonm888]You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.
You dehumanized millions of people. Survivors of physical and sexual assault, people with mental illness, ptsd etc. And you are calling Ryan "mean-spirited"? Some hypocrisy there.
"I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas."
To use the same judgmental logic you were using with the homeless: why should any one help out a bunch of reactionary bigots who voted to sack all their weather forecasters and then got screwed when it rained hard?
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These weather forecasters have been the ones holding back torrential rain all the while? Who knew! I mean if I knew, when I got my Reactionary Bigot ballot and they asked me to check off the boxes of everyone I want fired, I would have voted for crossing guards or lighthouse keepers, anyone but the weather forecasters! Now I have to build me an ark, it's going to happen again! Two by two, kangaroo!
I like rats. Not just the pet kind but the kind you see outside. Sometimes in the shrubbery out on the Strip I see them and enjoy watching them, the paths they choose, the things they will dart out from cover to pick up and the things they leave alone. They're quite intelligent.
But I also know how most people feel about rats, with reactions ranging from mild disgust to screaming, heart-stopping terror. How would people and property owners in the area feel about me if I fed rats or otherwise encouraged them to remain in that area? The fact that I like them and have no fear whatsoever of them is all well and good, but how am I treating a person who is terrified of them if I cause rats to congregate? If I were to do that and someone caught me at it, with bowed head I would humbly acknowledge their discomfort and accept their reprimand, even if I still believed it was the right thing to do overall and did not plan to stop.
All of these reactions, from care for the homeless, disgust for them, hostility towards them and indifference towards them are within the range of normal. So a person who feeds the homeless should expect heat from those who are disgusted by them, those with contempt for them should expect heat from those who care for them. To discuss anything like this and not expect a mix of reactions is somewhat contemptuous of others, as that would be deprecating the opinions of those who see it differently as unworthy of being expressed.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: Archvaldor1Quote: gordonm888]You repeatedly attack the character of people who disagree with you on this forum. You do it in the above post. And in your previous mean-spirited post, just hours ago, presented below.
You dehumanized millions of people. Survivors of physical and sexual assault, people with mental illness, ptsd etc. And you are calling Ryan "mean-spirited"? Some hypocrisy there.
"I repeatedly state that I prefer to help hard-working, good people who are in need -like, say, disaster victims in North Carolina and Texas."
To use the same judgmental logic you were using with the homeless: why should any one help out a bunch of reactionary bigots who voted to sack all their weather forecasters and then got screwed when it rained hard?
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These weather forecasters have been the ones holding back torrential rain all the while? Who knew! I mean if I knew, when I got my Reactionary Bigot ballot and they asked me to check off the boxes of everyone I want fired, I would have voted for crossing guards or lighthouse keepers, anyone but the weather forecasters! Now I have to build me an ark, it's going to happen again! Two by two, kangaroo!
I like rats. Not just the pet kind but the kind you see outside. Sometimes in the shrubbery out on the Strip I see them and enjoy watching them, the paths they choose, the things they will dart out from cover to pick up and the things they leave alone. They're quite intelligent.
But I also know how most people feel about rats, with reactions ranging from mild disgust to screaming, heart-stopping terror. How would people and property owners in the area feel about me if I fed rats or otherwise encouraged them to remain in that area? The fact that I like them and have no fear whatsoever of them is all well and good, but how am I treating a person who is terrified of them if I cause rats to congregate? If I were to do that and someone caught me at it, with bowed head I would humbly acknowledge their discomfort and accept their reprimand, even if I still believed it was the right thing to do overall and did not plan to stop.
All of these reactions, from care for the homeless, disgust for them, hostility towards them and indifference towards them are within the range of normal. So a person who feeds the homeless should expect heat from those who are disgusted by them, those with contempt for them should expect heat from those who care for them. To discuss anything like this and not expect a mix of reactions is somewhat contemptuous of others, as that would be deprecating the opinions of those who see it differently as unworthy of being expressed.
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Bullshit.
Who wouldn't expect someone out there to be doing what you are doing?
Who wouldn't expect someone out there to consider what you do to be imprudent and unhelpful?
You mentioned in your initial post that Tucson has laws pertaining to the feeding of the homeless. Do you think the people who enacted these laws were fools, or that they recognized feeding the homeless will affect different members of the community in different ways, and they wanted to balance rights with responsibilities and ensure no one has to face outcomes that are unreasonable and unmanageable?
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyThat seems like a harsh reaction to a statement that is ultimately in your defense.
Who wouldn't expect someone out there to be doing what you are doing?
Who wouldn't expect someone out there to consider what you do to be imprudent and unhelpful?
You mentioned in your initial post that Tucson has laws pertaining to the feeding of the homeless. Do you think the people who enacted these laws were fools, or that they recognized feeding the homeless will affect different members of the community in different ways, and they wanted to balance rights with responsibilities and ensure no one has to face outcomes that are unreasonable and unmanageable?
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I also was surprised at his one word response. The post was not against him at all, all it says is that if you choose to feed the Homeless you're going to have people who have always oppose you. I will repeat, even Jesus said you're wasting your time giving somebody food everyday. Just teach him how to get the food for himself and you're done with it, that's the good deed, to get the guy out of his position of having to live off other people. Because they had the same problem 2,000 years ago that they have now, there's always members of society who are lazy and will not work they want everything given to them. Yes there are victims, yes there are mentally ill, blah blah blah, but the vast vast percentage of them are just lazy slobs who like being high all day and having you pay for it.
Quote: KevinAAIt's a good thing billryan lives in a place with 24 hour security. That way, he can enable bums but not have to live with the consequences. Businesses and other neighborhoods can deal with the bums milling about, waiting for their next handout.
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And there is always consequences. Cars being broken into, houses and apartments being burglarized. Stuff being stolen out of your yard. I once caught a homeless bum sleeping in my van which is parked on the street. He got mad at me because I got mad at him telling me that I had this van and he had nothing. He obviously tried to rob me because all the contents of the glove box we're on the floor. He was totally indignant that I was the one in the wrong here. That's who you're dealing with these people, they think they're entitled.
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These weather forecasters have been the ones holding back torrential rain all the while? Who knew! I mean if I knew, when I got my Reactionary Bigot ballot and they asked me to check off the boxes of everyone I want fired, I would have voted for crossing guards or lighthouse keepers, anyone but the weather forecasters! Now I have to build me an ark, it's going to happen again! Two by two, kangaroo!
If you fire all your weather forecasters then you won't have a good idea when torrential rain is on the way. Kind of their problem for being dumb.
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I also was surprised at his one word response. The post was not against him at all, all it says is that if you choose to feed the Homeless you're going to have people who have always oppose you. I will repeat, even Jesus said you're wasting your time giving somebody food everyday. Just teach him how to get the food for himself and you're done with it, that's the good deed, to get the guy out of his position of having to live off other people.
That's kind of the issue here. Most places in the world have systems in place to get people off the streets and back into society do not have a homeless problem. You save a LOT of taxpayer money doing that.
If there is no way back off the streets then you are going to get ever larger numbers of homeless people. You aren't going to get a job if you have no address and no money to buy clothes which don't smell and basic expenses. The ones that survive will be increasingly desperate and feral - that's Darwin at work-the nice ones that don't get in people's faces tend not to hustle enough money and food so they die off quick.
What is your endgame here? Lecture the homeless about the virtue of hard work? The situation will just get worse-and it will get a LOT worse with AI increasingly replacing jobs. (A lot of homeless people actually have jobs it should be added, min wage does not pay rent most places).
Quote: gordonm888I have never heard Lou Reed talk. Is he intelligent, sincere and a decent person? I don't have a clue. And I found that Lou Reed quote to be ridiculously naive and an over simplification of a complex world......
If we meet Adolf Hitler or Charles Manson, should we offer them a blanket and a water bottle? Must we "find the time to help" as Lou Reed advocates, if we meet Pol Pot or Son of Sam or Sean Diddy? And, to bring this back to topic, I have found the homeless people that I have met to be lazy, selfish, dishonest and abusive, on the bell curve of humanity they are closer to Hitler that to Mother Teresa. ]
I just found this amusing....guy talks about Lou Reed over-simplifying a complex world and then tells us all homeless people are Hitler. Lots of nuance there obviously.
Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: AutomaticMonkey
These weather forecasters have been the ones holding back torrential rain all the while? Who knew! I mean if I knew, when I got my Reactionary Bigot ballot and they asked me to check off the boxes of everyone I want fired, I would have voted for crossing guards or lighthouse keepers, anyone but the weather forecasters! Now I have to build me an ark, it's going to happen again! Two by two, kangaroo!
If you fire all your weather forecasters then you won't have a good idea when torrential rain is on the way. Kind of their problem for being dumb.
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As it so happens, I don't currently employ any weather forecasters myself. But... I always know when bad weather is on the way! Hush, it's a secret...
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather/
This sort of rhetoric permeates most of society now and it's all in bad faith. My side of the aisle does it too and I don't let them get away with it. Everyone should abandon it.
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As it so happens, I don't currently employ any weather forecasters myself. But... I always know when bad weather is on the way! Hush, it's a secret...
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather/
Replacing human beings with an AI-based solution, what could possibly go wrong? Oh yes, that is actually what did go wrong here....
(For those who are actually taking this seriously you can't use generic daily weather forecasts to predict the relative likelihood of extreme weather events...because they are...extreme. Daily weather forecasts are "most probable outcome" assessments.. You need specialists to determine the relative threat of an outlier scenario.)
"This sort of rhetoric permeates most of society now and it's all in bad faith. My side of the aisle does it too and I don't let them get away with it. Everyone should abandon it."
I thought I had established fairly clearly I was taking the piss out of our moderator friend by replaying his judgmental bs back to him.
Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: EvenBob
I also was surprised at his one word response. The post was not against him at all, all it says is that if you choose to feed the Homeless you're going to have people who have always oppose you. I will repeat, even Jesus said you're wasting your time giving somebody food everyday. Just teach him how to get the food for himself and you're done with it, that's the good deed, to get the guy out of his position of having to live off other people.
That's kind of the issue here. Most places in the world have systems in place to get people off the streets and back into society do not have a homeless problem. You save a LOT of taxpayer money doing that.
If there is no way back off the streets then you are going to get ever larger numbers of homeless people. You aren't going to get a job if you have no address and no money to buy clothes which don't smell and basic expenses. The ones that survive will be increasingly desperate and feral - that's Darwin at work-the nice ones that don't get in people's faces tend not to hustle enough money and food so they die off quick.
What is your endgame here? Lecture the homeless about the virtue of hard work? The situation will just get worse-and it will get a LOT worse with AI increasingly replacing jobs. (A lot of homeless people actually have jobs it should be added, min wage does not pay rent most places).
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Offer bums a job, paid in cash, and you'll find out what their work ethic is like. You'll get an indignant "NO" or they'll take it and do a crappy lazy job of it.
Quote: AutomaticMonkey
As it so happens, I don't currently employ any weather forecasters myself. But... I always know when bad weather is on the way! Hush, it's a secret...
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather/
This sort of rhetoric permeates most of society now and it's all in bad faith. My side of the aisle does it too and I don't let them get away with it. Everyone should abandon it.
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Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: AutomaticMonkey
As it so happens, I don't currently employ any weather forecasters myself. But... I always know when bad weather is on the way! Hush, it's a secret...
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather/
Replacing human beings with an AI-based solution, what could possibly go wrong? Oh yes, that is actually what did go wrong here....
(For those who are actually taking this seriously you can't use generic daily weather forecasts to predict the relative likelihood of extreme weather events...because they are...extreme. Daily weather forecasts are "most probable outcome" assessments.. You need specialists to determine the relative threat of an outlier scenario.)
"This sort of rhetoric permeates most of society now and it's all in bad faith. My side of the aisle does it too and I don't let them get away with it. Everyone should abandon it."
I thought I had established fairly clearly I was taking the piss out of our moderator friend by replaying his judgmental bs back to him.
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No this is not generic daily forecasts I am talking about. Everyone uses the same NOAA data that serves airports now; it's publicly available and updated every minute and I've even coded their API into my own apps. Flooding is not a purely meteorological event anyway; it is just as dependent on ground conditions and can be mathematically chaotic. So someone's boot print on the ground can create a gully that grows and diverts the floodwaters far from where they would be without the boot print.
I didn't realize you were taking the Mickey but I guess you were.
Quote: KevinAA
Offer bums a job, paid in cash, and you'll find out what their work ethic is like. You'll get an indignant "NO" or they'll take it and do a crappy lazy job of it.
What sort of job are you expecting from someone who hasn't slept properly in years, is experiencing malnutrition, has mental problems and a host of other medical issues? Use some common sense.
You need a comprehensive support to get people on their feet before they can begin to become useful members of society again.
Quote: AutomaticMonkey
No this is not generic daily forecasts I am talking about. Everyone uses the same NOAA data that serves airports now; it's publicly available and updated every minute and I've even coded their API into my own apps. Flooding is not a purely meteorological event anyway; it is just as dependent on ground conditions and can be mathematically chaotic. So someone's boot print on the ground can create a gully that grows and diverts the floodwaters far from where they would be without the boot print.
I am not sure what your point is here. People in Texas and North Carolina voted for cuts to the NOAA which led to a clear failure to forecast the threats. There was a very clear purge of people related to climate change study which included a lot of people engaged in predicting extreme weather events. If you are going to generalize and accuse homeless people of collective responsibility for their situation, a position I reject, then I can't see how you can excuse those states for responsibility for the deaths in the floods for doing something so mindlessly anti-scientific and utterly stupid.
(and please no one try and bullshit this away as political. The admin made it political when you started demonizing millions of poor people and started blathering on idiotically about how marvelous gawd-fearing Texans were-an opinion that 98% of the world would emphatically disagree with. )
The service you linked to is not going to tell you whether extreme weather events are coming. Extreme weather events are almost always low probability. That is a very specialist field.. I've bet into this stuff for years and I make a lot of money fading bets from people who don't understand this.
To everyone else, please stop talking about who is to blame for the flood deaths of people in Texas. This is not the thread (or the forum) for it.
Quote: Archvaldor1Quote: KevinAA
Offer bums a job, paid in cash, and you'll find out what their work ethic is like. You'll get an indignant "NO" or they'll take it and do a crappy lazy job of it.
What sort of job are you expecting from someone who hasn't slept properly in years, is experiencing malnutrition, has mental problems and a host of other medical issues? Use some common sense.
You need a comprehensive support to get people on their feet before they can begin to become useful members of society again.
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Simple manual labor gets done by people all over the world who don't sleep on an expensive mattress. Bums usually turn down work, and those who accept do a half-ass job, whine, stop working before the job is done, or quit in exchange for a few bucks. They're lazy drug addicts.
Making excuses for them and enabling them is not helping them. They do not need "comprehensive support". That's a big waste of money. What they need is a kick in the ass.
This morning I passed a group of five bums hanging out on a property clearly marked "no trespassing". They just don't care.
Quote: KevinAAQuote: Archvaldor1Quote: KevinAA
Offer bums a job, paid in cash, and you'll find out what their work ethic is like. You'll get an indignant "NO" or they'll take it and do a crappy lazy job of it.
What sort of job are you expecting from someone who hasn't slept properly in years, is experiencing malnutrition, has mental problems and a host of other medical issues? Use some common sense.
You need a comprehensive support to get people on their feet before they can begin to become useful members of society again.
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Simple manual labor gets done by people all over the world who don't sleep on an expensive mattress. Bums usually turn down work, and those who accept do a half-ass job, whine, stop working before the job is done, or quit in exchange for a few bucks. They're lazy drug addicts.
Making excuses for them and enabling them is not helping them. They do not need "comprehensive support". That's a big waste of money. What they need is a kick in the ass.
This morning I passed a group of five bums hanging out on a property clearly marked "no trespassing". They just don't care.
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If they cared they wouldn't be taking dumps on public sidewalks in front of people in major cities. The biggest takeaway I got from being around these people for three and a half years on a daily basis is how entitled they are in their minds. They actually think that they're better than the rest of us because we're the suckers that have to go to work everyday and then we give stuff to them for free because they choose not to work. The disdain they have for us is really quite amazing.
I've mentioned before the guy on YouTube who takes donations from all over the country and then goes around in California and takes homeless people on shopping sprees and buys them tents and clothes and freeze dried food and camp stoves and bicycles and backpacks and sleeping bags and he'll see them again two or three months later and most of that stuff is gone because it's been stolen and he'll do it all over again. He thinks he's actually making a difference and actually helping people and he keeps getting donations. All he's doing is keeping the problem going.
Quote: gordonm888I am suspending Archvaldor1 for 7 days for political speech, profanity and for hijacking this thread despite recent requests by the OP to keep this thread on topic.
To everyone else, please stop talking about who is to blame for the flood deaths of people in Texas. This is not the thread (or the forum) for it.
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YOU introduced the events in Texas. NO ONE had mentioned it before YOU brought it up. Any one can go back in the thread and see that YOU, a moderator, hijacked this thread.
I only responded to contradict YOUR explicit and opinionated right-wing talking points.
You are abusing your moderation powers because someone disagreed with you.
I am sure you'll delete this but I will repost it 10,000 times if necessary.
"The biggest takeaway I got from being around these people for three and a half years on a daily basis is how entitled they are in their minds. "
You and Kevin have done a lot of demonization of these people. Give it a rest. Most people would consider you, Kevin and even me as degenerate compulsive gamblers (regardless of the actuality). That's what most people who don't know you that well are saying about you behind your back. Gamblers have an even worse rep than them homeless. Have some self-awareness.
Quote: Archvaldor2Quote: gordonm888I am suspending Archvaldor1 for 7 days for political speech, profanity and for hijacking this thread despite recent requests by the OP to keep this thread on topic.
To everyone else, please stop talking about who is to blame for the flood deaths of people in Texas. This is not the thread (or the forum) for it.
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YOU introduced the events in Texas. NO ONE had mentioned it before YOU brought it up. Any one can go back in the thread and see that YOU, a moderator, hijacked this thread.
I only responded to contradict YOUR explicit and opinionated right-wing talking points.
You are abusing your moderation powers because someone disagreed with you.
I am sure you'll delete this but I will repost it 10,000 times if necessary.
"The biggest takeaway I got from being around these people for three and a half years on a daily basis is how entitled they are in their minds. "
You and Kevin have done a lot of demonization of these people. Give it a rest. Most people would consider you, Kevin and even me as degenerate compulsive gamblers (regardless of the actuality). That's what most people who don't know you that well are saying about you behind your back. Gamblers have an even worse rep than them homeless. Have some self-awareness.
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You are permanently banned from the forum for creating a sock puppet, and using it to bypass a suspension. And for defiantly stating that you will continue to do this. I will ask the other moderators to review this situation for fairness and advise me.
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Profanity -- three days.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: Archvaldor2Quote: gordonm888I am suspending Archvaldor1 for 7 days for political speech, profanity and for hijacking this thread despite recent requests by the OP to keep this thread on topic.
To everyone else, please stop talking about who is to blame for the flood deaths of people in Texas. This is not the thread (or the forum) for it.
link to original post
YOU introduced the events in Texas. NO ONE had mentioned it before YOU brought it up. Any one can go back in the thread and see that YOU, a moderator, hijacked this thread.
I only responded to contradict YOUR explicit and opinionated right-wing talking points.
You are abusing your moderation powers because someone disagreed with you.
I am sure you'll delete this but I will repost it 10,000 times if necessary.
"The biggest takeaway I got from being around these people for three and a half years on a daily basis is how entitled they are in their minds. "
You and Kevin have done a lot of demonization of these people. Give it a rest. Most people would consider you, Kevin and even me as degenerate compulsive gamblers (regardless of the actuality). That's what most people who don't know you that well are saying about you behind your back. Gamblers have an even worse rep than them homeless. Have some self-awareness.
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You are permanently banned from the forum for creating a sock puppet, and using it to bypass a suspension. And for defiantly stating that you will continue to do this. I will ask the other moderators to review this situation for fairness and advise me.
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As a self-appointed super secret moderator, so secret that I'm the only one that knows about it, I totally concur with your decision. Now I slink back to super secretly moderating.
