Interesting question for the AP crew

(I have no idea what section to put this in?) ..... I was thinking about this. Methods/systems cant work blah blah blah. Okay, we got that out of the way. There are SOME people that get a casino ban for winning (roulette) long term. I'm not talking about cheating or AP (cough), I'm referring to playing METHODS. Well, how can this be possible? I cant wait to read the 'cover' answers to this question >>> "but Ken, you see its because of this..."

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

There are SOME people that get a casino ban for winning (roulette) long term.

Ken

The first question everybody will ask is, who's been banned for winning at roulette with a legit method?

Quote: EvenBob

The first question everybody will ask is, who's been banned for winning at roulette with a legit method?

I was waiting for that. Because I cant name names and give dates, it has never happened? There are a TON of members here and on other boards. No one has known a person (or heard a story) of someone being banned for winning long term in roulette? In the history of LV/AC, it has never happened? We read stories about keeping a 'low profile' when winning? Why would that be necessary if its a FACT that the person would lose it back to the casino in the future?

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

I was waiting for that. Because I cant name names and give dates, it has never happened?

Ken

Never? Who knows. But if it has, its so infrequent that its meaningless. The casino knows that if you keep playing, they will get their money back eventually.

Ok, Ken. You're back. You've been gone for a while but now here you are asking the same questions and telling us the same thing... you're a winner at roulette. Congratulations. Good for you.

What is the point of all these posts and questions? Are you here to prove something? Are you here to flaunt your roulette successes? Please, tell us what it is that you are getting at. You know that the great majority of people on this site will say that it is impossible to consistenly win (in the long run, whatever that may mean to anyone) and we know that you disagree with that sentinment because according to you, you've won many, many thousands of dollars playing 00 roulette.

So, again I ask... what's your point?

You've adressed this to the "AP crew". I am one of that crew. I have never (in 25 years of casino gambling) seen or heard of anyone being banned from roulette simply because they consistently win. If you have heard or seen otherwise then what of it? Any casino who would be foolish enough to ban someone from playing roulette, unless the player is being rude or is cheating obviously has someone making poor decisions. Again, you might tell me that they will do this when they find a player who keeps winning at their tables. OK, so what?

I beat a game almost exactly 10 years ago, making 6 figures in a span of a couple of months. I did my best to keep under the radar and not once did anyone say a word to me. One day however I walked into the casino and the game was gone from the floor. Just gone. No one knew what had happened to it or so they said. The fact was that I was taking a lot of money from the game and either someone figured out why or they didn't but regardless, one day the decision was made to make the game disappear.

In my opinion Ken, based upon my personal experience, if a game can be beaten players will beat it and if the house loses money then the game will disappear. If the game is making money then the casino will not care whether or not a player believes he can beat the game... the house either knows or believes that the player cannot and if the game is making money then why should they believe otherwise.

As far as the game I beat, I have records of every session and for two months each one was a winning session... not one loser. I made an average of about $2,000 to $3,000 a day until the game was gone. I can tell you the game, where it was and exactly what I did to beat it. I have those facts and I can share them with anyone who cares to ask. That's the difference between you and I Ken, I can prove what I've just said.

So, I think you've made your point. You've beaten roulette. You've found the holy grail. You're going to be rich, rich, rich and we're all suckers.

About your inabilitly to provide names and dates... no that doesn't mean it has never happened. It does mean that you have no evidence to support your claim that it has and therefore there is no reason why anyone who knows anything about math would believe that it has. Again, it's just another mrjjj post that has no point other than to be pointless.

Now that you've made your point, please stop posting the same things over and over. Or why don't you just post your method and we'll all go make crazy money. It's one or the other unless your reason for posting here is to be a troll and rile people up with your silly questions that you repeat over and over.

Quote: TheNightfly

Ok, Ken. You're back. You've been gone for a while but now here you are asking the same questions and telling us the same thing... you're a winner at roulette. Congratulations. Good for you.

What is the point of all these posts and questions? Are you here to prove something? Are you here to flaunt your roulette successes? Please, tell us what it is that you are getting at. You know that the great majority of people on this site will say that it is impossible to consistenly win (in the long run, whatever that may mean to anyone) and we know that you disagree with that sentinment because according to you, you've won many, many thousands of dollars playing 00 roulette.

So, again I ask... what's your point?

You've adressed this to the "AP crew". I am one of that crew. I have never (in 25 years of casino gambling) seen or heard of anyone being banned from roulette simply because they consistently win. If you have heard or seen otherwise then what of it? Any casino who would be foolish enough to ban someone from playing roulette, unless the player is being rude or is cheating obviously has someone making poor decisions. Again, you might tell me that they will do this when they find a player who keeps winning at their tables. OK, so what?

I beat a game almost exactly 10 years ago, making 6 figures in a span of a couple of months. I did my best to keep under the radar and not once did anyone say a word to me. One day however I walked into the casino and the game was gone from the floor. Just gone. No one knew what had happened to it or so they said. The fact was that I was taking a lot of money from the game and either someone figured out why or they didn't but regardless, one day the decision was made to make the game disappear.

In my opinion Ken, based upon my personal experience, if a game can be beaten players will beat it and if the house loses money then the game will disappear. If the game is making money then the casino will not care whether or not a player believes he can beat the game... the house either knows or believes that the player cannot and if the game is making money then why should they believe otherwise.

As far as the game I beat, I have records of every session and for two months each one was a winning session... not one loser. I made an average of about $2,000 to $3,000 a day until the game was gone. I can tell you the game, where it was and exactly what I did to beat it. I have those facts and I can share them with anyone who cares to ask. That's the difference between you and I Ken, I can prove what I've just said.

So, I think you've made your point. You've beaten roulette. You've found the holy grail. You're going to be rich, rich, rich and we're all suckers.

About your inabilitly to provide names and dates... no that doesn't mean it has never happened. It does mean that you have no evidence to support your claim that it has and therefore there is no reason why anyone who knows anything about math would believe that it has. Again, it's just another mrjjj post that has no point other than to be pointless.

Now that you've made your point, please stop posting the same things over and over. Or why don't you just post your method and we'll all go make crazy money. It's one or the other unless your reason for posting here is to be a troll and rile people up with your silly questions that you repeat over and over.

Back? I was never gone. Where did I say in this thread..... "I am a winner at roulette"?

If you dont like the thread/question, why respond? Its funny how often I read about silly, stupid and waste of time threads only to see......YOU posting on those same threads. ROFL I see a ton of odd threads here, subjects I find a 'waste of time'. Guess what? I dont respond. Its called being consistent.

Ken

What is the point of all these posts and questions? >>> Just looking for various views. This is how I learn, from MANY opinons. I like answers from posters that are NOT afraid to say whats on their mind. I have a TON of respect for those people. "Are you here to prove something?" >>> No. "Are you here to flaunt your roulette successes?" >>> No.

"You know that the great majority of people on this site will say that it is impossible to consistenly win in the long run" >>> And what about my kick a** thread a few months ago? Sooo, that means they play a game with less of a HA. Thats cool man, good job!!! But you will STILL lose in the long term REGARDLESS of the casino game. Funny how little that gets mentioned. lol

"because according to you, you've won many, many thousands of dollars playing 00 roulette" >>> Yep, 100% correct but so what? Is it possible to STICK with the subject of the thread? If not, move along little doggie, move along.

Ken

"That's the difference between you and I Ken, I can prove what I've just said" >>> ROFL, thats a long thread man, help me out. What is your EXACT proof of doing 'well' with AP (cough)?

Ken

The subject of the thread is the question of roulette players being banned simply because they win. I addressed that in my post but you neglected to mention that part. Without any evidence that this has ever happened the question is pointless. It doesn't happen because no one wins consistently at roulette. Do you? Without any evidence or proof that you do (or anyone else has or does) your answer will be irrelevant.

So, now I've answered your question for a second time. I'll also mention that nowhere did I ever say anything here was a "waste of time". I did say that you've made a habit of starting threads that have no foundation in reality and that you like to make up stories without any evidence to back them up. Just the sort of thing someone does when they're looking for attention or making an effort to be contentious.

Anything else?

"I think you've made your point. You've beaten roulette. You've found the holy grail. You're going to be rich, rich, rich and we're all suckers" >>> Please quote correctly, thank you..... "All"? I never said that. Where did I say I "beat" roulette? Where did I say I "found the HG"?

"You're going to be rich, rich, rich" >>> Is this a statement or a question?

Ken

Quote: mrjjj

"That's the difference between you and I Ken, I can prove what I've just said" >>> ROFL, thats a long thread man, help me out. What is your EXACT proof of doing 'well' with AP (cough)?

Ken

Over $100,000 in wins and a casino manger who knows the history of my wins. The fact that the game was removed because it was losing money. The rules and layout of the game itself and exact details of how it was beaten... details that can be reproduced by you or anyone.

"Without any evidence or proof that you do (or anyone else has or does) your answer will be irrelevant" >>> Ummmmm, ok.....A bit off subject again, big surprise. The thread is not about ME unless you make it about me, I guess? lol


Ken

Quote: TheNightfly

Over $100,000 in wins and a casino manger who knows the history of my wins. The fact that the game was removed because it was losing money. The rules and layout of the game itself and exact details of how it was beaten... details that can be reproduced by you or anyone.

How do we know that info is correct? How do we know its in regards to AP (cough)? What if it is true but you are still in the negative? The game was 'removed', the wheel was removed? Replaced I assume?

Ken

Goodbye Ken. You've lost my interest and you can have another 2 page conversation with yourself. Until you show that you're not simply talking out of your backside, your posts are irrelevant and unfounded. As you love to say, "You can't have it both ways".

Quote: mrjjj

There are SOME people that get a casino ban for winning (roulette) long term. I'm not talking about cheating or AP (cough), I'm referring to playing METHODS.

Okay.
List the people who have been banned from roulette, then identify those that have been banned from roulette "for playing methods".. whatever that phrase means.
How many, when, what casinos? How could you possibly know about people who have been banned from roulette for any reason? Do they come and tell you or does the casino itself call you up each time they do this to someone?

Banned? Harrahs once banned that 8th Microsoft employee whose name escapes me at the moment simply because he won two VP jackpots in one weekend. Then they realized what they had done and hastily revoked the letter banning him from all their properties.

Quote: TheNightfly

Goodbye Ken. You've lost my interest and you can have another 2 page conversation with yourself. Until you show that you're not simply talking out of your backside, your posts are irrelevant and unfounded. As you love to say, "You can't have it both ways".

I asked you EASY questions and you run and HIDE. Sounds quite familiar with another goof I know. You quoted me incorrectly, I asked you to show us WHERE I stated those items. You run and HIDE.

Ken

Casino managers are good at managing customers but might not be that knowledgable when it comes to every possible AP tactics. The only reason I can think of a manager considering banning someone is if they suspect they are taking advantage of a game or are being rude. Since the manager doesn't know every new AP technique people come up with they might look at players that deviate significantly from the norm. While the chances of catching an AP this way are better, they take the risk of falsely accusing a legitimate player that just got very lucky, as was the case with Harras. As many have been trying to tell you, you have been lucky so far but if you keep playing for a very long time you will end up loosing more money than you made. It is possible to change the chance of winning but the ratio of money lost to money won in the long run will always be the same. Having a 99.9% chance of winning $10 against a 0.1% chance of losing over $10,000 still makes you a loser if you play long enough. I'm not trying to offend you, just saying that trading high win percentages for bigger risks is dangerous.

Quote: FleaStiff

Okay.
List the people who have been banned from roulette, then identify those that have been banned from roulette "for playing methods".. whatever that phrase means.
How many, when, what casinos? How could you possibly know about people who have been banned from roulette for any reason? Do they come and tell you or does the casino itself call you up each time they do this to someone?

Banned? Harrahs once banned that 8th Microsoft employee whose name escapes me at the moment simply because he won two VP jackpots in one weekend. Then they realized what they had done and hastily revoked the letter banning him from all their properties.

This is part of my point. We all (that includes everyone) have read hundreds of times, if you are winning on a regular basis (any casino game) you should 'lay low', 'keep a low profile', whatever term you want to use. My question...but why? The method players will only...lose it all back anyways, correct?


Ken

Quote: HKrandom

Casino managers are good at managing customers but might not be that knowledgable when it comes to every possible AP tactics. The only reason I can think of a manager considering banning someone is if they suspect they are taking advantage of a game or are being rude. Since the manager doesn't know every new AP technique people come up with they might look at players that deviate significantly from the norm. While the chances of catching an AP this way are better, they take the risk of falsely accusing a legitimate player that just got very lucky, as was the case with Harras. As many have been trying to tell you, you have been lucky so far but if you keep playing for a very long time you will end up loosing more money than you made. It is possible to change the chance of winning but the ratio of money lost to money won in the long run will always be the same. Having a 99.9% chance of winning $10 against a 0.1% chance of losing over $1,000 still makes you a loser if you play long enough. I'm not trying to offend you, just saying that trading high win percentages for bigger risks is dangerous.

BINGO...a well thought out, polite, informative post. Do I agree 100% with it? No, but again, well thought out.

Ken

any casino who bans a roullette player is crazy. casinos with half a brain know that there is no possible method to beat the odds in roullette and therefore
they should be aware that any winnings a player has from that game will come back to the house plus some. if anything the casinos should be encouraging these
people to continue playing such a horrible house egde game.

and the only reason id ever "lay low" while playing what i felt was a winning roullette system is to avoid the embarassment of everyone
knowing that i actually believe theres a roullette system that works lol

I would say that any casino that would ban any roulette player, any baccarat player, any slot player, any pai gow player, any craps player, any let it ride player, any carribean stud player, any (add any negative EV game) player, must have such poor management as to be likely to fail. As far as potentially + EV games that the casino feels is still profitable due to generally suboptimal play, then, yes, it would make reasonable business sense to ban certain individuals from those games.
Roulette, perhaps the simplest game to figure out the house edge, should never have a player banned from playing it for monetary reasons. On the contrary, I would, if I could, open a roulette only casino if I could fill the tables. And I would fly all those 'banned' from other casinos to mine. And Ken, welcome back, I missed you.

I see that you often post on John Patrick's forums. After all of his winning sessions, have you ever wondered why he keeps writing books and doing seminars paid by casinos instead of buying a yacht and sailing to a villa in St-Tropez?

Quote: mrjjj

This is part of my point.

Your response failed to list anyone who has been banned from playing roulette.
Your response failed to state how you acquire the information about casinos having banned players.
Your response failed to state just why a casino would want to ban someone from playing a 5.26 percent house edge game.

You have claimed that casinos ban roulette players "for playing methods" but you have failed to identify even ONE such person who has been banned by any casino from playing roulette for any reason, much less for winning too much money.

Quote: mrjjj

I was waiting for that. Because I cant name names and give dates, it has never happened? There are a TON of members here and on other boards. No one has known a person (or heard a story) of someone being banned for winning long term in roulette? In the history of LV/AC, it has never happened? We read stories about keeping a 'low profile' when winning? Why would that be necessary if its a FACT that the person would lose it back to the casino in the future?

Ken

Why would a casino ban a player for being lucky at a game with a 5% house edge? If a player happened to be up playing a game where there is no way to gain a player advantage, wouldn't the house want them to keep playing so that the results could trend down to the long term expectation?

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Quote: rdw4potus

If a player happened to be up playing a game where there is no way to gain a player advantage, wouldn't the house want them to keep playing so that the results could trend down to the long term expectation?

Of course the house would want that. Why do you think the suits will come around and offer him a free room for the night and a free dinner for the night... they know that before he checks out the next morning, he will visit the casino with those winnings ... and they know his luck will probably have changed. Its only if he is cheating that they don't want his action, because then its probably not a house edge anymore. And its just too dangerous to have cheaters around the place. Sure sometimes they realize a guy is doing something marginally bad but his spouse is dropping ten grand at a different table, but usually its a simple rule: if you cheat you go out. Perhaps in handcuffs, perhaps not, but you go out.

Quote: FleaStiff

Of course the house would want that. Why do you think the suits will come around and offer him a free room for the night and a free dinner for the night... they know that before he checks out the next morning, he will visit the casino with those winnings ... and they know his luck will probably have changed. Its only if he is cheating that they don't want his action, because then its probably not a house edge anymore. And its just too dangerous to have cheaters around the place. Sure sometimes they realize a guy is doing something marginally bad but his spouse is dropping ten grand at a different table, but usually its a simple rule: if you cheat you go out. Perhaps in handcuffs, perhaps not, but you go out.

I agree. And, given that this is pretty obviously the case, I'm confused as to how this is an "interesting question."

Quote: FleaStiff

Your response failed to list anyone who has been banned from playing roulette.
Your response failed to state how you acquire the information about casinos having banned players.
Your response failed to state just why a casino would want to ban someone from playing a 5.26 percent house edge game.

You have claimed that casinos ban roulette players "for playing methods" but you have failed to identify even ONE such person who has been banned by any casino from playing roulette for any reason, much less for winning too much money.

Are you sure you dont post at GG in the general discussion section? lol


"You have claimed that casinos ban roulette players "for playing methods" >>> Where did I say those EXACT words? Lets try again. I am asking you for a solid opinion. If method players did 'well' long term, I assume they would get banned? Out of hundreds of casinos, tens of thousands of methods, no one (not talking about cheating) has ever been banned?

Ken

"I'm confused as to how this is an "interesting question." >>> Then dont respond, problem solved.

Ken

Quote: rdw4potus

I agree. And, given that this is pretty obviously the case, I'm confused as to how this is an "interesting question."

It's not only not interesting, it's a pretty stupid question. First of all, no one here, or anywhere else, is likely to have access to a comprehensive list of all the players that have ever been barred from every casino on earth for any reason in the last 300 years. But what would it prove, in any case, if somebody, somewhere, HAD been "barred" for playing roulette? That would just mean that someone running a casino somewhere was a moron.

Roulette players are looooooved by the casino, because they're playing one of the worst games the casino offers. Not to mention---roulette seems to attract an awful lot of (or, a lot of awful) "system players". Those are the most beloved casino customers of all. Throw them out? The casino sends LIMOS for them!

How would you know you were thrown out for roulette anyway, the casino never tells you why you're being banned. They don't tell you because it makes it much harder for you to come back at them legally. I've read countless stories of players banned for card counting, but they're never told that, they're just read the trespassing act and escorted off the property. I've heard of pictures of banned players being in pits and it doesn't even say what they were banned for. What does that tell you.

I dont feel like starting another AP (cough) thread but it is AP (cough) related. The author is Al Krigman and is an excellent read. Agree, not agree? >>>

More esoteric systems involve detecting irregularities in the apparatus which make some results more likely than normal, then betting accordingly. If such bias existed, and were great enough, players could indeed gain an edge. Here's how this might work.

In an unbiased double-zero game, the probability of each number is 1/38 or 2.63 percent. Paying 35-to-1, the house has a 5.26 percent edge. Say the bottom of one slot was spongy or the frets around it were high, raising its probability of winning to 3 percent. Bets on this number would have an 8 percent edge.

What if a wheel were tilted in some way favoring half the grooves? Ordinarily, bets on each of 19 numbers have 50-50 chance of losing $19 or winning $17 - giving the house its usual 5.26 percent edge. Instead, assume the bias creates 53 percent chance the ball will land on a known half of the wheel. Now betting on each number in that half gives the player 0.42 percent edge.

BIASED WHEEL SYSTEMS HOLD IN THEORY BUT FAIL IN PRACTICE. Roulette wheel construction and maintenance make large biases unlikely, and problems such as broken bearings would be noticed immediately and result in a game being shut down. Small biases require numerous observations and complex calculations before solid citizens can be confident that the effect is not random; even then, they may shift the edge toward the player too little to be significant during a session of reasonable duration.

The example of the bias on a single number involved a 0.37 percent increase in probability. To be 95 percent confident in detecting this small an anomaly, data would have to be analyzed from roughly 71,000 spins. A 99 percent confidence level would require about 122,500 spins. Neither is even remotely feasible.

The second example involved a hefty 3 percent change in probability. To be 95 percent confident of detecting this large a bias, a player would have to analyze data from only 1,100 spins. To be 99 percent confident of the bias before going for broke on the favored half of the wheel, data would have to be analyzed from 1,850 spins. These many observations might be possible, for instance with a team of trained observers monitoring results and relaying the data to their computer experts for analysis. But this doesn't account for the time wasted checking unbiased wheels. Further, this much bias is unlikely to occur or persist - and still only gives players under half a percent advantage.

Quote: EvenBob

How would you know you were thrown out for roulette anyway, the casino never tells you why you're being banned. They don't tell you because it makes it much harder for you to come back at them legally. I've read countless stories of players banned for card counting, but they're never told that, they're just read the trespassing act and escorted off the property. I've heard of pictures of banned players being in pits and it doesn't even say what they were banned for. What does that tell you.

Even better. Other than cheating (or card counting), you are NOT suppose to win long term on ANY casino game, correct? Yes I know, back to the definition of 'long term'.

Ken

Quote: mkl654321

It's not only not interesting, it's a pretty stupid question. First of all, no one here, or anywhere else, is likely to have access to a comprehensive list of all the players that have ever been barred from every casino on earth for any reason in the last 300 years. But what would it prove, in any case, if somebody, somewhere, HAD been "barred" for playing roulette? That would just mean that someone running a casino somewhere was a moron.

Roulette players are looooooved by the casino, because they're playing one of the worst games the casino offers. Not to mention---roulette seems to attract an awful lot of (or, a lot of awful) "system players". Those are the most beloved casino customers of all. Throw them out? The casino sends LIMOS for them!

Alot of system players? Heck no. What would be your guess on a percent? Mine would be around 5%, good or bad methods combined.

"no one here, or anywhere else, is likely to have access to a comprehensive list of all the players that have ever been barred from every casino on earth" >>> I agree.

Ken

@mkl (why am I not surprised?) >> "It's not only not interesting, it's a pretty stupid question" >>> Then dont respond, problem solved.

Ken

Ken-
It seems like your recent long post summarized quite well what we have all been saying here for quite a while, that, yes, if a wheel was imperfect enough, that yes, it is possible to beat roulette if you knew the imperfections and the relative change in frequencies. But it seems like the author essentially dismisses that possiblilty in real world terms. And that in real roulette play the house edge is just way to high to overcome. And I agree with your retort to mkl- if he feels your question is stupid he need not respond.

"But it seems like the author essentially dismisses that possiblilty in real world terms" >>> I agree. Hence the word 'theory' he used AND I have used the same description MANY times before.

Ken

I for one, don't see any logic in Mr. Jjj's posts.

1. He claims to have a "5% advantage" with most of his systems, but says that he's not an "advantage player" and says that there haven't been any casino advantage players since 1923.

Question: If you claim to be playing with an edge, doesn't that mean that you're an "advantage player"? If so, using his logic, does this mean that you haven't played since 1923 or does it mean that you don't really exist?

2. He claims to have an edge, but says that it's not because the wheel is "biased".

Question: Why then, does he imply that it's because the wheel is "imperfect" ?

3. In some of his posts, he actually appears to contradict himself between sentences. It's like trying to make sense of "Cybil".

Question: Why?

4. He posts three and four times in a row in the same thread. He doesn't wait for a reply.

Question: Why? Is it because he's an attention whore?


-Keyser

Quote: Keyser

I for one, don't see any logic in Mr. Jjj's posts.

1. He claims to have a "5% advantage" with most of his systems, but says that he's not an "advantage player" and says that there haven't been any casino advantage players since 1923.

Question: If you claim to be playing with an edge, doesn't that mean that you're an "advantage player"? If so, using his logic, does this mean that you haven't played since 1923 or does it mean that you don't really exist?

2. He claims to have an edge, but says that it's not because the wheel is "biased".

Question: Why then, does he imply that it's because the wheel is "imperfect" ?

3. In some of his posts, he actually appears to contradict himself between sentences. It's like trying to make sense of "Cybil".

Question: Why?

4. He posts three and four times in a row in the same thread. He doesn't wait for a reply.



Question: Why? Is it because he's an attention whore?


-Keyser

I see Keyser(here)/Herb(VLS)/Snowman(GG)/Farnsworth3(RF).... is at it again. He purposely quotes me wrong hoping to upset me. It never works, I just play along with his BS. I'm gonna ask him a couple questions guys. Watch in future posts from him, he will NEVER answer me. lol

He claims to have a "5% advantage" >>> I never used those words.

and says that there haven't been any casino advantage players since 1923 >>> Where did I say that? Copy/paste that please.

Question: If you claim to be playing with an edge >>> I never said that.

In some of his posts, he actually appears to contradict himself between sentences >>> Can WE get a couple examples? Copy/paste please.

He doesn't wait for a reply >>> Can I get a definition of 'waiting'? If 3 days go by and STILL no answer, yep, I'll ask again. If it gets too hot for ya, stay outta my kitchen.

Ken

A) BIASED WHEEL SYSTEMS HOLD IN THEORY BUT FAIL IN PRACTICE.

B) Roulette wheel construction and maintenance make large biases unlikely, and problems such as broken bearings would be noticed immediately and result in a game being shut down.

C) even then, they may shift the edge toward the player too little to be significant during a session of reasonable duration.

D) To be 95 percent confident in detecting this small an anomaly, data would have to be analyzed from roughly 71,000 spins. A 99 percent confidence level would require about 122,500 spins. Neither is even remotely feasible.

E) data would have to be analyzed from 1,850 spins.

F) But this doesn't account for the time wasted checking unbiased wheels.

G) Further, this much bias is unlikely to occur or persist - and still only gives players under half a percent advantage.


I love this Al Krigman guy! I should send him a Christmas card.

Ken

Quote: Mr.Jjj

He claims to have a "5% advantage" >>> I never used those words.

You wrote the following in this thread!

Quote: Mr.Jjj

Alot of system players? Heck no. What would be your guess on a percent? Mine would be around 5%, good or bad methods combined.

Quote: Mr. Jjj

and says that there haven't been any casino advantage players since 1923 >>> Where did I say that? Copy/paste that please.

You write the following at the bottom of every post you make!

Quote: Mr. Jjj

AP is for suckers. Most know this already. The only REAL way to play roulette is with a decent method, a large BR and discipline. I'm sure AP was great in 1923. lol

Do us all a favor, lay off the egg nog! :)

A 5% advantage without a biased wheel??? So then a system that produces a 5% advantage?? Egads the Math Boys are wrong again!

@Keyser >> Nice try, lets do it again cupcake.

"Alot of system players? Heck no. What would be your guess on a percent? Mine would be around 5%, good or bad methods combined" >>>

A) Where is the WORD 'advantage'?

B) If you read the ENTIRE post, its in regards to how many (est.) players USE a roulette method, good or bad methods combined. My estimate is around 5%. Once again, nice try. lol


"AP is for suckers. Most know this already. The only REAL way to play roulette is with a decent method, a large BR and discipline. I'm sure AP was great in 1923" >>> You and Kelly SUCK at quoting. Where does it say?....."haven't been *ANY* casino advantage players *SINCE* 1923"

Hey goofball, a little advice. The thing with QUOTING, you dont get to re-write what was said. lol Thats why its called QUOTING.

Ken

@Keyser >> Funny how you skipped over this...

In some of his posts, he actually appears to contradict himself between sentences >>> Can WE get a couple examples? Copy/paste please.

He doesn't wait for a reply >>> Can I get a definition of 'waiting'? If 3 days go by and STILL no answer, yep, I'll ask again. If it gets too hot for ya, stay outta my kitchen.

Ken

Sorry Mr. Jjj.,

I just can't see the logic in your posts. They are, at best, difficult to follow.

So, I'll say it again. Lay off the egg nog! :)

-Keyser

Quote: Keyser

Sorry Mr. Jjj.,

I just can't see the logic in your posts. They are, at best, difficult to follow.

So, I'll say it again. Lay off the egg nog! :)

-Keyser

You see guys? Thats all he has, he won't address misquotes and he won't address my questions. Lay off the egg nog! lol A true adult who can NOT hold an adult conversation.

Ken

Quote: Keyser

Sorry Mr. Jjj.,

I just can't see the logic in your posts. They are, at best, difficult to follow.

So, I'll say it again. Lay off the egg nog! :)

-Keyser

You're looking for diamonds in a dungheap. We learned long ago not to even attempt to detect logic in his posts.

Lol.

Quote: mkl654321

You're looking for diamonds in a dungheap. We learned long ago not to even attempt to detect logic in his posts.

Lol.

Said the guy whom everybody loves! lol

Quote: mrjjj

I see Keyser(here)/Herb(VLS)/Snowman(GG)/Farnsworth3(RF).... is at it again. He purposely quotes me wrong hoping to upset me. It never works, I just play along with his BS. I'm gonna ask him a couple questions guys. Watch in future posts from him, he will NEVER answer me. lol

Wait a minute...do you post this same worthless crap on 4 different boards? Doesn't pretty much everyone give the same reaction? You certainly aren't being well received here - are things different for you on the other boards?