It's fascinating how the game of baccarat seems to have some of the most pathological types.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBAzTDwZrM&t=1s
Clearly legit.Quote: AxelWolfVery interesting breakdown.
It's fascinating how the game of baccarat seems to have some of the most pathological types.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBAzTDwZrM&t=1059s
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Stats please to back that insulting statement up?
Thanks.
Quote: AxelWolfVery interesting breakdown.
It's fascinating how the game of baccarat seems to have some of the most pathological types.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBAzTDwZrM&t=1059s
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Did he say 'More'?? He said 'some of the most'. Subtly different to 'more of the most' or 'more than any other game' Neither of which he said, either.Quote: Marcusclark66So you are saying and claiming that above all the other gambling game, there are more pathological people playing baccarat than the other game players?
Stats please to back that insulting statement up?
Thanks.
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I see no insult.
It's my personal observation and opinion that was formed and mentioned long before you and others were members here. I'm not going to list all my examples, but one quick one would be Christopher Mitchell.Quote: Marcusclark66So you are saying and claiming that above all the other gambling game, there are more pathological people playing baccarat than the other game players?
Stats please to back that insulting statement up?
Thanks.
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Gambling, in general, seems to attract some odious people. Each game seems to have a subculture of like-minded individuals with similar game/system theories. When it comes to gambling there are individuals who normally seem logical/smart that get caught up in voodoo doo doo, despite the fact there is mathematical information/education that can debunk all that nonsense.
Happy holidays Marcus, I hope all is well with you and your loved ones.
Can you please embed the video correctly, I wasn't able to do so with that link.Quote: OnceDear
Quote: AxelWolfCan you please embed the video correctly, I wasn't able to do so with that link.Quote: OnceDear
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The link points to the end of the video
Here is a working link
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The image works, but the text link itself that is just above it is still pointing to the end of the video. I suggest that you remove it, and leave just the image link.
Quote: Marcusclark66By the way, I see and deal with countless people gambling at the property I work at. I supervise my other team members as well, full time plus status. And we have less problems with the baccarat players than all other areas of the casino gaming floor.
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That would make sense since there are probably fewer baccarat players compared to all the other games. Either way, I don't claim that they cause problems in the casino any more or any less than other players.Quote: Marcusclark66By the way, I see and deal with countless people gambling at the property I work at. I supervise my other team members as well, full time plus status. And we have less problems with the baccarat players than all other areas of the casino gaming floor.
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some of the interest surrounding the game of baccarat may have something to do with the early James Bond movies with Sean Connery who made baccarat seem like an alluring and fascinating game played by stylish and sophisticated wealthy people - and of course he always won and won big - I believe the game was also featured in later Bond movies - there is a lot of irony about this since it's a game based totally on luck - despite whatever else may be stated about the game
maybe, maybe not - just a thought - (referring to the James Bond influence)
at the time of the early Bond movies I was not gambling and I didn't even know what baccarat was until I saw it on those movies
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Quote: lilredroostersome of the interest surrounding the game of baccarat may have something to do with the early James Bond movies with Sean Connery who made baccarat seem like an alluring and fascinating game played by stylish and sophisticated wealthy people - and of course he always won and won big - I believe the game was also featured in later Bond movies - there is a lot of irony about this since it's a game based totally on luck - despite whatever else may be stated about the game
maybe, maybe not - just a thought - (referring to the James Bond influence)
at the time of the early Bond movies I was not gambling and I didn't even know what baccarat was until I saw it on those movies
Excuse me for being pedantic, but what Bond plays is Chemin de Fer, which I think is player-banked baccarat where both sides can draw or stand on any numbers, and you can only bet on the player. In fact, "Baccarat" is a different game in Europe; it is Chemin de Fer with two players and a banker, and three hands are dealt. What is known as Baccarat in the USA is called Punto Banco.
Another confusing point is, in the original Casino Royale, when the banker draws a 5, Bond says, "Baccarat," which is a term for a zero-point hand.
At least, I think I have this right...
IIRC, when Casino Royale was remade in 2006, the game was replaced with poker.
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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The image works, but the text link itself that is just above it is still pointing to the end of the video. I suggest that you remove it, and leave just the image link.
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I don't recall the original poster requesting that revision.
I looked into the origins of baccarat at one time, expecting to see that Asians liked it because it originated there. Wrong, it did not.Quote: teliot... overseas where baccarat was king ...
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I really think it is very likely that it is popular in Asia because of James Bond!
#PaulWoodley 𝗧𝗢𝗡𝗜𝗚𝗛𝗧 on SHO PPV.(now)
https://twitter.com/ShowtimeBoxing/status/1472260065755381763
Quote: teliotThis is one of the all-time great research studies on baccarat players' belief in illusory control and associated rituals, I used to quote content from this when giving seminars overseas where baccarat was king:
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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thanks for that great post from teliot
that was a really interesting article
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Thanks ... here is the tl;dr version, namely, the pertinent part for the present discussion:Quote: lilredroosterQuote: teliotThis is one of the all-time great research studies on baccarat players' belief in illusory control and associated rituals, I used to quote content from this when giving seminars overseas where baccarat was king:
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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thanks for that great post from teliot
that was a really interesting article
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"Many researchers postulate that Chinese gamblers believe that their luck and skills
can help them to win (e.g. Ozorio & Fang. 2004). According to Ladouceur and Walker
( 1996 ), many gamblers often behave as if they can control the outcome of gambling
events. These beliefs or illusions of control are commonly portrayed in successful
Chinese gambling television series and movies since the early 1980s such as The Shell
Game, God of Gamblers. Casino Raiders, Conman, and All for the Winner, where
the actors used their gambling skills and wit to beat their opponents (c.f., Nepstad,
2000). According to a study by Pitta, Fung, and Is berg ( 1999), Chinese believe that
success in businesses depends on several factors namely, (1) fate, (2) luck, (3) feng
shui, (4) accumulation of good deeds, and (5) knowledge (ranked according to level of
importance). Business knowledge is deemed to be the least importance of all, while the
first three factors (i.e. fate, luck and feng shui) may aggravate a Chinese's illusion of
control on events. Chinese have also demonstrated unique characteristics in their decision
making that may explain their high illusion of control. Past research has found that
Chinese showed a lack of concern for uncertainty (Pollock & Chen, 1986) and used their
intuition extensively when making decisions. Research conducted by Yates et al. (1989)
on mainland Chinese and American subjects, which was also supported by Wright and
Philips (1980), found that the Chinese subjects were significantly overconfident in their
judgment compared to the American subjects. Such a key difference was proposed to be
a result of differences in adopted learning techniques. Americans were taught to adopt
'critical thinking' and challenge the validity of ideas and statements. Chinese subjects,
influenced by Confucian philosophy for centuries, were taught to accept 'facts' and
adhere to 'ideals' (Yates & Lee, 1996). Relating all these findings to Chinese gambling,
these unique characteristics of the Chinese were likely to aggravate Chinese's illusion of
control in situations of gambling. A person's perceived control over an event is positively
associated to his or her appetite for risk (Wehrung et al., 1990). Higher perceived (or
illusion of) control would increase risk appetite and, hence, fuel more gambling among
Chinese. Hence, one would speculate that Chinese baccarat players have a high illusion
of control that would fuel an observable high risk-taking appetite. "
Quote: teliotThanks ... here is the tl;dr version, namely, the pertinent part for the present discussion:Quote: lilredroosterQuote: teliotThis is one of the all-time great research studies on baccarat players' belief in illusory control and associated rituals, I used to quote content from this when giving seminars overseas where baccarat was king:
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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thanks for that great post from teliot
that was a really interesting article
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" illusion of control in situations of gambling. A person's perceived control over an event is positively
associated”
“ baccarat players have a high illusion of control”
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Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
Quote: Marcusclark66Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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You don't mention feng shui so I have to assume you don't actually know much
Quote: odiousgambitQuote: Marcusclark66Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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You don't mention feng shui so I have to assume you don't actually know much
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My 2 bankrolls are all win money, so I must know something.
And by the way, my 2 bankrolls are over $90k, just a bit under $100,000.00. Pure one hundred percent win money!
[deleting original remark] Oh, it's Marcus, I had something to say but I thought I was replying to ChumpChangeQuote: Marcusclark66My 2 bankrolls are all win money, so I must know something.
And by the way, my 2 bankrolls are over $90k, just a bit under $100,000.00. Pure one hundred percent win money!
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Keep it up marcus, good job! Thanks Mdawg.
The thing is, there is always room to learn. For example when I first started posting here quite a few came on to say that personal credit is not run when casinos decide to grant credit lines, which of course, is incorrect - they always run personal credit along with bank verifications before issuing any casino credit lines, and I said so from the getgo and I knew what I was talking about from personal experience.
It just goes to prove that many who aren't doing are willing to stir the pot, which is what this thread was about to begin with. 🙂
In my case at least I've posted actual video of me logged into my casino player card accounts to show WINs at every casino I have ever even mentioned playing at for three years running, which is more than any of these YouTube stars (or anyone at WOV for that matter) have supplied. I'd say that MDawg has been vetted far more than anyone else here at WOV. Pretty much it comes down to believe it or don't! but in my case, I've supplied quite a lot to prove what I've been doing.
Quote: MDawgThanks cwwbjr.
The thing is, there is always room to learn. For example when I first started posting here quite a few came on to say that personal credit is not run when casinos decide to grant credit lines, which of course, is incorrect - they always run personal credit along with bank verifications before issuing any casino credit lines.
It just goes to prove that many who aren't doing are willing to stir the pot, which is what this thread was about to begin with. 🙂
In my case at least I've posted actual video of me logged into my casino player card accounts to show WINs at every casino I have ever even mentioned playing at for three years running, which is more than any of these YouTube stars (or anyone at WOV for that matter) have supplied. I'd say that MDawg has been vetted far more than anyone else here at WOV. Pretty much it comes down to believe it or don't! but in my case, I've supplied quite a lot to prove what I've been doing.
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Absolutely, as well my casino brand prosecutes most of its bounced credit line payments as well. Many states have followed Nevada’s statues in setting up their own credit markers. It is virtually a pre post dated check which is actually the marker itself. Without having the money in your bank account for around six months or greater, you are not getting a credit line today.
From the law office of: Adras & Altig
“How Do Casino Markers Work in Las Vegas?
Casinos in Las Vegas extend credit to gamblers through “markers,” which essentially work like bank checks or IOUs. Casinos issue markers upon request if the gambler can demonstrate his or her ability to repay the debt.
A first marker requires an application that allows the casino to check the gambler’s bank accounts, as with any line of credit or loan. If approved, the casino establishes a line of interest-free credit. A marker is a counter check the gambler can fill out against the line of credit.
Problems may arise because a large line of credit has been allowed, and pit bosses at gaming tables or casino hosts can approve additional markers. It is not at all unusual for a Las Vegas gambler to get in over his or her head.
After a specified period, such as 30 days, the amount of money on the marker(s) is due to be repaid from the gambler’s designated checking account. The hotel or casino will submit the marker(s) to the bank, like a check.
When a marker is returned due to insufficient funds — or “bounces” — the casino will send a demand letter providing a short time to pay what’s owed. If the debt is not settled, the casino’s next step is to contact the Clark County District Attorney’s Office Bad Check Diversion Unit, which prosecutes bad check/casino marker fraud.
It is also possible for the casino to file a civil suit in addition to pursuing criminal charges. This is more likely in cases of large debts assumed by high rollers who have extensive assets.“
Quote: odiousgambit[deleting original remark] Oh, it's Marcus, I had something to say but I thought I was replying to ChumpChangeQuote: Marcusclark66My 2 bankrolls are all win money, so I must know something.
And by the way, my 2 bankrolls are over $90k, just a bit under $100,000.00. Pure one hundred percent win money!
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Wow! I wish that was me winning $90K in a couple months! I'll likely have to stay away from the casinos for a couple months because of Omicron now. Somebody left a half drunk can of Corona beer by my car tire when I left last time.
absent of a proven +EV situation, there is no such thing as a better baccarat player when it comes to winning or losing money.Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: teliotThanks ... here is the tl;dr version, namely, the pertinent part for the present discussion:Quote: lilredroosterQuote: teliotThis is one of the all-time great research studies on baccarat players' belief in illusory control and associated rituals, I used to quote content from this when giving seminars overseas where baccarat was king:
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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thanks for that great post from teliot
that was a really interesting article
.
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" illusion of control in situations of gambling. A person's perceived control over an event is positively
associated”
“ baccarat players have a high illusion of control”
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Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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I'm the best non +EV baccarat player in the world.
Quote: AxelWolfabsent of a proven +EV situation, there is no such thing as a better baccarat player when it comes to winning or losing money.Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: teliotThanks ... here is the tl;dr version, namely, the pertinent part for the present discussion:Quote: lilredroosterQuote: teliotThis is one of the all-time great research studies on baccarat players' belief in illusory control and associated rituals, I used to quote content from this when giving seminars overseas where baccarat was king:
https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=grrj
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thanks for that great post from teliot
that was a really interesting article
.
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" illusion of control in situations of gambling. A person's perceived control over an event is positively
associated”
“ baccarat players have a high illusion of control”
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Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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I'm the best non +EV baccarat player in the world.
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You very well might be. However I have done extremely well, far north of my expectations anyway. I have 2 bankrolls almost hitting the $100k mark and they are both, every dollar of them, pure friggin win money. I have took and spent a whole bunch of my winnings as well. (All described in my thread). Although my comp level or awards are probably just a couple hundred dollars to date because my actual play time at the tables are so very trivial. I rather color up, run to the cashiers cage, get the cash and get the hell out of the casino. I’m fine at the off property restaurant and market paying to fill my tummy.
Forge on people. I’m not the best but I do try.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: odiousgambitQuote: Marcusclark66Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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You don't mention feng shui so I have to assume you don't actually know much
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My 2 bankrolls are all win money, so I must know something.
And by the way, my 2 bankrolls are over $90k, just a bit under $100,000.00. Pure one hundred percent win money!
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I ride my pet unicorn on the rainbow road to get to my job as ruler of Mars.
Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: Marcusclark66Quote: odiousgambitQuote: Marcusclark66Oh yes! Certainly spot on my friends!,
The better baccarat players do have, without any doubt in my mind as well as many I speak with, great control of their situations in playing baccarat such as money management, time spent at table, entering and exiting at a time that willl offer the player an advantage, excluding emotions from their wagering and lots more.
And that my friends will give the player an actual advantage and turns the word ‘perceived’, into the words and term; ‘reality and huge advantage’.
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You don't mention feng shui so I have to assume you don't actually know much
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My 2 bankrolls are all win money, so I must know something.
And by the way, my 2 bankrolls are over $90k, just a bit under $100,000.00. Pure one hundred percent win money!
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I ride my pet unicorn on the rainbow road to get to my job as ruler of Mars.
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I'm gonna need to see video footage man.
I actually bought that game with $50 pure win money I earned back in the 90's at a dice game they had at a local Fireman's Fair!
I feel so ˢᵐᵃˡˡ________________I feel ₜᵢₙy
all I was ever able to do that was good in a casino was to get a little math edge by counting cards
I had no idea that it was possible to crush the casino like these posters say with no mathematical edge
big, big wins coming all the time, almost every session_________it's truly 𝙖𝙢𝙖𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙜
I've really learned a lot__________I just got myself 𝙚𝙙𝙪𝙘𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙
a person can really benefit by hearing gamblers tell us all about their big wins
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I'm gonna need to see video footage man.
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Well folks, in this forum, we have graciously been given the right to make any claimed trip report, no matter how unbelievable and we are given the right to believe or not the trip reports of others. Thanks Wizard!
And yet we are not allowed to insult our fellow members by casting doubt on their honesty.
Oh hum. Here we go again.
So, I'll confess. Because of my own mental situation, or maybe my upbringing, I cannot and will not believe one single word that MarcusClark posts. Call it a personal weakness of mine.
Suspend me for it if you wish.
I'm not going to waste one second analysing or explaining why I cannot believe his posts. I'm not going to 'do the math' or ask him to present evidence. And I'm not going to present any supporting evidence of my own. I'll just restate.
I cannot and will not believe one single word that MarcusClark posts. Wizard supports free speech. I wonder if he supports mine? I'll ask him by PM.
Now, I have to go feed my invisible dinosaur called Rex
Thanks to Axel for giving Marcus an opportunity to step outside the twightlight zone of his aptly hidden thread.
Quote: OnceDear
I cannot and will not believe one single word that MarcusClark posts.
he and his good buddy crush the casino day in and day out_________ 𝘼𝙏 𝙒𝙄𝙇𝙇
it's like taking candy from a baby
I think you're just 𝙟𝙚𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙪𝙨
ꜱᴏʀʀy ɪ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅɴ'ᴛ ʀᴇꜱɪꜱᴛ ᴩʟᴇᴀꜱᴇ ꜰᴏʀɢɪᴠᴇ________________________(-:\___________________(-:/
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Maybe. Maybe not..... To both statements.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: OnceDear
I cannot and will not believe one single word that MarcusClark posts.
he and his good buddy crush the casino day in and day out_________ 𝘼𝙏 𝙒𝙄𝙇𝙇
it's like taking candy from a baby
I think you're just 𝙟𝙚𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙪𝙨
ꜱᴏʀʀy ɪ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅɴ'ᴛ ʀᴇꜱɪꜱᴛ ᴩʟᴇᴀꜱᴇ ꜰᴏʀɢɪᴠᴇ________________________(-:\___________________(-:/
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Nothing to forgive in your response.
Much like the crew in Mirror, Mirror, adapt or die.
Are you calling me a liar, Bill?Quote: billryanIt's a brave new world, where liars are given immunity and only honest people need to worry about what they say
Much like the crew in Mirror, Mirror, adapt or die.
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If so, I'm not offended, so I won't lobby for your suspension $:o)
Quote: OnceDearAre you calling me a liar, Bill?Quote: billryanIt's a brave new world, where liars are given immunity and only honest people need to worry about what they say
Much like the crew in Mirror, Mirror, adapt or die.
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If so, I'm not offended, so I won't lobby for your suspension $:o)
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You have to be by far one of the best admin moderators on the forum.
You should play baccarat with me one day.
Quote: Marcusclark66You have to be by far one of the best admin moderators on the forum.
Thank you. But I believe you are either mistaken or insincere.
You'd need to pay the air fare.Quote:You should play baccarat with me one day.
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Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: OnceDearAre you calling me a liar, Bill?Quote: billryanIt's a brave new world, where liars are given immunity and only honest people need to worry about what they say
Much like the crew in Mirror, Mirror, adapt or die.
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If so, I'm not offended, so I won't lobby for your suspension $:o)
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You have to be by far one of the best admin moderators on the forum.
You should play baccarat with me one day.
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Will you let him pet your Trex and ride with you to the casino in your bat mobile?
I’m honestly surprised that the casino even makes you play, they should just send 5k a day by wire so that you don’t come and accidentally teach other people how to win without obstacles.
Quote: billryanMuch like the crew in Mirror, Mirror, adapt or die.
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Mirror Mirror: American fantasy comedy film based on the fairy tale "Snow White"
Sorry. wrong fantasy.
Somehow I think you meant the Star Trek episode.
I recall 'The Tantalus field': A 23rd century device found in the mirror universe, which could be used to monitor and eliminate enemies from existence with the touch of a button.
$:o)
I would let him pet Rex, but Rex can get moody and eat strangers. Still. A risk worth taking.Quote: PokerGrinderWill you let him pet your Trex and ride with you to the casino in your bat mobile?
I’m honestly surprised that the casino even makes you play, they should just send 5k a day by wire so that you don’t come and accidentally teach other people how to win without obstacles.
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I just realised. I could save on air fare by flying to the US on the back of Pterry, My other invisible pet.