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darkoz
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February 20th, 2021 at 9:31:24 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Unprotected sex is a choice. With many partners is a choice. .



You do realize heterosexuals do that too and can also catch AIDS. It's not a "gay" disease
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rxwine
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February 20th, 2021 at 9:39:55 AM permalink
Quote: fantom

The whole point of insurance is to spread specific costs on an individual basis over a larger group. Your chemo, regardless of what caused it - your conscious act, genetic predisposition or random chance - is reflected in the overall premiums equally paid over all of the rate payers.

If you want to charge me more because I smoke, then if I get hit by a bus tomorrow my estate should get a rebate, less, I suppose, the cost of the rescue that takes me to the morgue,.

I had read (not verified - just my recollection) that dealing with smoking-related issues is less costly in the long term. The smoker is less likely to have dementia or any other illness that requires long-term care. Lung cancer is a pretty quick way to die, compared to kidney failure. Advances in medicine prolong life, but the flip side is that those advances and the care that you need since you're still here are more expensive.

Where do you draw the line? You guys who spend all day in front of your computers filling up these threads with useless replies instead of getting outside and going for a walk - shouldn't you be charged more for health care? Let's base the cost of health insurance on "Number of Posts."



Great news. Cigarette taxes you pay already account for your extra burden to society. (Of course you could be getting tax less cigs). But in general, this is the kind of idea that Duffman says makes me mean and vindictive.
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February 20th, 2021 at 9:41:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You do realize heterosexuals do that too and can also catch AIDS. It's not a "gay" disease



Correct. But you are aware that the likelihood of a gay male getting AIDS is a large multiple of the odds of a straight male? Data from 2018 showed 86% of new cases amongst males were of ADMITTEDLY gay males. So if you figure a few percent of the ‘straight’ males were not.... and if you figure 95% of males are straight, then you are more than 100-1 more likely to get it if you are a gay male than a straight male. Change my assumptions and maybe you get it down to 80 times as likely.

So it is a ‘mostly’ gay disease. Or ‘predominantly’ gay disease.
billryan
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February 20th, 2021 at 9:43:58 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Correct. But you are aware that the likelihood of a gay male getting AIDS is a large multiple of the odds of a straight male? Data from 2018 showed 86% of new cases amongst males were of ADMITTEDLY gay males. So if you figure a few percent of the ‘straight’ males were not.... and if you figure 95% of males are straight, then you are more than 100-1 more likely to get it if you are a gay male than a straight male. Change my assumptions and maybe you get it down to 80 times as likely.

So it is a ‘mostly’ gay disease. Or ‘predominantly’ gay disease.



Evidently, the women who get it don't count.
darkoz
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February 20th, 2021 at 10:24:03 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Correct. But you are aware that the likelihood of a gay male getting AIDS is a large multiple of the odds of a straight male? Data from 2018 showed 86% of new cases amongst males were of ADMITTEDLY gay males. So if you figure a few percent of the ‘straight’ males were not.... and if you figure 95% of males are straight, then you are more than 100-1 more likely to get it if you are a gay male than a straight male. Change my assumptions and maybe you get it down to 80 times as likely.

So it is a ‘mostly’ gay disease. Or ‘predominantly’ gay disease.



It's not a "gay" disease.

It's a disease that is predominantly in the gay community.

Otherwise you might as well say Covid is a senior citizen disease

And I am not so certain that there are only 5% of men who are homosexual
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AxelWolf
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February 20th, 2021 at 10:46:48 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Evidently, the women who get it don't count.

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insertive penile-vaginal intercourse: 0.04%
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billryan
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February 20th, 2021 at 10:59:01 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

receptive penile-vaginal intercourse: 0.08%
insertive penile-vaginal intercourse: 0.04%




Seriously?
kewlj
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February 20th, 2021 at 11:13:03 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Unprotected sex is a choice. With many partners is a choice. Same as smoking.

My position is we are all born heterosexual.


Throwing the phrase "my position is..." doesn't give you impunity from making such a dumb, ignorant statement. (attacking the statement not the poster)

Quote: AZDuffman


I find it disturbing people want to punish me for my choice about my body not to get the shot.


The problem is that YOUR decision doesn't just effect just YOU. I find it disturbing, even selfish, that you wouldn't get the vaccination.
gamerfreak
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February 20th, 2021 at 11:36:35 AM permalink
I really have no opinion on this, but Dr. Drew (who I don’t really like btw) was talking about this on a podcast, and said that it’s so exceedingly rare that doctors always assume that heterosexual men with HIV are lying about their sexual history.
MDawg
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February 20th, 2021 at 11:41:26 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

The problem is that YOUR decision doesn't just effect just YOU.


If I were making the same mistake repeatedly I wouldn’t mind someone’s helping me out of it, so I hope you won’t object if I correct you.

You’ve now twice used the word effect when you should have used affect.

Affect is generally a verb, as in something affects something else, or something affects someone.

Effect is generally a noun, such as in the vaccine’s effects or the effect the vaccine has on the virus.

It gets a little complicated, in that effect may be a verb (transitive verb), such as in to effect change, as in, bring it about, incur.

As well, affect may be a noun, but generally only in psychological terms, such as an affect disorder.


Come to think of it, English as a whole may be a difficult language when compared to some foreign languages where words are all spelled the way they sound and there aren’t so many inconsistencies and exceptions.
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