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February 4th, 2021 at 8:28:20 AM permalink
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Could someone please tell me if the following sequence of posts constitute an outlawed political statement? Remember that this is a completely and totally fictitious, situation, with no connection to any prior post or former executive, living or dead.

Federal official, documented with verifiable video recording: "Drinking a tablespoon of hydrochloric acid, twice a day, cures ingrown toenails."

Poster: Well, if a federal official said it... IT MUST BE TRUE. Anyone for swallowing a little HCL? LOL

Again, this is a totally made up scenario. I simply ask for a ruling as to whether this is or is not a violation of the rules.



My mailman is a Federal official. Certainly no one is suggesting all Federal officials speak with the same authority?
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February 5th, 2021 at 8:47:34 AM permalink
I have been volunteering for the local PHD (public health department) at their Covid-19 vaccination clinic. My position is to be the first official person someone who arrives at the clinic interacts with. I am tasked with verifying that they qualify for the shot they signed up for. In California, that means they are either over 75 or they are a group 1a essential worker. There are a lot of weird cases to deal with, many "line jumpers" trying to get a shot. The computer systems allows anyone to sign up but warns them of the conditions they will have to meet on-site to qualify. In other words, the sign-up system is not itself part of the eligibility verification. So, we get a few really upset folks. I am signed up for four more eight-hour shifts in February, and then into March I'll continue. It's great to be volunteering again.

So, yesterday, I got my first shot of Moderna. Today I have a low-grade fever and fatigue to go along with a slightly sore arm. But, I am qualified as an essential worker by virtue of this volunteer work. I would recommend this to anyone who has the time to volunteer -- your local PHD may need volunteers.
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February 5th, 2021 at 9:11:59 AM permalink
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I have been volunteering for the local PHD (public health department) at their Covid-19 vaccination clinic....



What would happen if somebody, who didn't meet any condition for a vaccine, showed up at the last appointment time, with no appointment, and asked if there were an extra dose that would otherwise be thrown away he could have?
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February 5th, 2021 at 9:28:09 AM permalink
We were specifically instructed on that question, and people did do that. They are all turned away. It's a matter of principle, otherwise we would have uncontrollable crowds at the end of the day. Plus, with moderna there is not nearly the same problem with spoilage as with Pfizer.
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February 5th, 2021 at 9:43:39 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

. My position is to be the first official person someone who arrives at the clinic interacts with. I am tasked with verifying that they qualify for the shot they signed up for. In California, that means they are either over 75 or they are a group 1a essential worker.



So how many people sign up claiming to be either 75 or essential workers that can't verify either when they get to you? Do you turn them away? what about fake I.D.'s? lol. People will go to lengths to scam the system.

When it gets down to people 16-64 with underlying conditions, you are going to have all kinds of people claiming all kinds of things. That should be interesting.

Good for you volunteering though Eliot. Thanks to you and all volunteers.
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February 5th, 2021 at 9:50:26 AM permalink
I don't know if this is the correct place for this, but I saw a story on CNN, last evening about the Biden administration considering sending N95 masks to every American. They would ramp up production via the defense production act. The Trump administration considered this same plan last spring but decided against it.

So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".
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February 5th, 2021 at 10:04:20 AM permalink
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I don't know if this is the correct place for this, but I saw a story on CNN, last evening about the Biden administration considering sending N95 masks to every American. They would ramp up production via the defense production act. The Trump administration considered this same plan last spring but decided against it.

So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".


This would be great in theory but even if you send people the best mask ever, it seems like 50% of the people I see in the grocery store are wearing them below the nose, or complete chin diaper. Cashiers/Staff seem to do it more than the customers, and KN95 masks are less comfortable than typical cloth masks.
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February 5th, 2021 at 10:07:02 AM permalink
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So how many people sign up claiming to be either 75 or essential workers that can't verify either when they get to you? .

Maybe 5% or a bit more.

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Do you turn them away?

Yes. We tell them the documentation they need, and sometimes they go home and get it, or find it on their phones. And sometimes they know they can't get it and just leave. Sometimes we have to go through various levels of supervisors above me to clear up the case. We need to see proof of active employment in an essential agency (we have a list of those) that is direct facing with the public. That typically means a letter from their employer together with a recent pay stub. But there are many other classes in 1a, each with special conditions on what they need to show us.

When we get to the next phase, 65+ and 1b, all hell is likely to break loose.

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what about fake I.D.'s?

They would also need to fake their employment records. It's possible, for sure. But there are plenty of double checks along the way, beyond just what I do.
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February 5th, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't know if this is the correct place for this, but I saw a story on CNN, last evening about the Biden administration considering sending N95 masks to every American. They would ramp up production via the defense production act. The Trump administration considered this same plan last spring but decided against it.

So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".

N-95 is not effective if the person using it does not understand all of the other PPE protocols that accompany these masks. These include proper fit, disposal and when/how you can touch the mask. Certainly N-95's will improve things, but there is no assumption that there will be both universal and proper usage of these masks.
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February 5th, 2021 at 2:28:26 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

We were specifically instructed on that question, and people did do that. They are all turned away. It's a matter of principle, otherwise we would have uncontrollable crowds at the end of the day. Plus, with moderna there is not nearly the same problem with spoilage as with Pfizer.



Principle hahahahahaha Ahahahahaha hahaha what a joke

My body my choice never will I ever get the vaccine.

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