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January 25th, 2021 at 10:18:13 PM permalink
What feelings or emotions do you get from this expression (x²y!)/(xy-x+1)? Imagine playing with it, like a game which I'm planning on using it as an equation for a game algorithm.
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January 26th, 2021 at 12:18:20 PM permalink
So I completely understand if this is hard to understand, since I've spent my entire life trying to explain it to people & not even people with other types of synesthesia can't understand it :(

So I will do my best as much as I can. I'll try to keep using different examples if it helps also. But if we're going to close this gap in understanding what I'm feeling, I'm probably going to need to understand what people are struggling to make sense of. I might have to understand you for you to understand me :(
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January 26th, 2021 at 12:28:47 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

What feelings or emotions do you get from this expression (x²y!)/(xy-x+1)? Imagine playing with it, like a game which I'm planning on using it as an equation for a game algorithm.



No emotional reaction. Though I get very deep emotional reaction contemplating how something sprang from nothing. Though most other people I know that love to pick at puzzles and science seem to shy away from contemplating that “hard problem” for reasons that I don’t follow.
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January 26th, 2021 at 12:30:09 PM permalink
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No emotional reaction. Though I get very deep emotional reaction contemplating how something sprang from nothing. Though most other people I know that love to pick at puzzles and science seem to shy away from contemplating that “hard problem” for reasons that I don’t follow.



Because it's not solvable.
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January 26th, 2021 at 12:35:25 PM permalink
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Because it's not solvable.

I don’t think that’s true. Though if someone believes that I can see the rationale for letting it go. Though that rationale doesn’t stop lots of other energy spent on similar things like religion or Heisenberg uncertainty testing.
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January 26th, 2021 at 12:37:29 PM permalink
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I don’t think that’s true. Though if someone believes that I can see the rationale for letting it go. Though that rationale doesn’t stop lots of other energy spent on similar things like religion or Heisenberg uncertainty testing.



Let me rephrase: If it is solvable at all, then I recognize myself as being unequal to the task of solving it.
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:09:34 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

No emotional reaction. Though I get very deep emotional reaction contemplating how something sprang from nothing. Though most other people I know that love to pick at puzzles and science seem to shy away from contemplating that “hard problem” for reasons that I don’t follow.



There are so many things that you could be referring to. Please give me some more hints, are we talking about the big bang, the existence of life, ideas & thoughts?
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:11:10 PM permalink
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Because it's not solvable.



You obviously know more about what UnJon is referring to, please enlighten.
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:12:59 PM permalink
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You obviously know more about what UnJon is referring to, please enlighten.



I wouldn't dare to attempt to enlighten you as to anything. Your posts have made very clear to me that I would only be intellectually beaten and humbled were I to even try.
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:29:37 PM permalink
Ok, so I'm giving 2 examples of how to imagine using the math expression. To start likes make y ≤ x, that way we can always identify x & y given any 2 values. Now let's make x & y = the absolute value of any whole number. The reason we are sticking with whole numbers is because in games we only use whole numbers (so goodbye half the math symbols) & there are games that use negative numbers but for this example, it's easier if we choose to remove them from possible values.

1st example, imagine you have a ball that behaves similarly to the expression in that we will turn the expression into an equation of force. So you would line up your vertical axes as a constant & let x = the horizontal length of your throw & let y = the height of the parabola trajectory. So imagine that given the values for the trajectory of the length & height of the ball when thrown would equal the amount of force the ball had at the end of its trajectory. Is that a fun ball???

Here is another example that is far easier to explain since this example is how I actually plan on using the expression. So turn the expression into an equation for a game value based on dice rolls. Imagine having outcomes 1-6 from dice as a game outcome, would that be fun? Seriously I could give examples for days but it takes a lot of work to explain them correctly.
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:42:31 PM permalink
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I wouldn't dare to attempt to enlighten you as to anything. Your posts have made very clear to me that I would only be intellectually beaten and humbled were I to even try.



I'm sorry you feel this way but I promise your interpretation of my actions is not justified.

Here are some videos of me giving my opinion of more famous people in the industry than you. Btw I like both these people I'm roasting more than you, so trust me when I'm saying in trying to play nice with you.

https://youtu.be/_k1P2QOpuhA

https://youtu.be/bGrx1Ap7s9k

https://youtu.be/g9OYuI1BQMo

https://youtu.be/xPAf3C6xIss

Please understand that I make these videos to express my opinions because when I am famous I don't want people saying I got lucky or I didn't know what I was doing because that's just not the case. The videos are to prove that I knew exactly what I was doing and knew better than everyone else in the industry.

See the reality is that when you challenge my statements on game design, I don't have a choice but to defend them, or else I risk kissing my career because someone thinks I don't know what I'm talking about :( If I were to just let you get away with you claiming that luck and variance and be the same thing then not only did I fail myself but you could use that as evidence that I don't know what I'm talking about & my game design skills could be seen as fictional. You did this to yourself, nobody else. I don't have any choice but to prove you wrong. But know that I seriously take my time reviewing the comments I make because I want to make absolute sure that what I'm saying is correct or else I'm done for.
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January 26th, 2021 at 2:10:59 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

I'm sorry you feel this way but I promise your interpretation of my actions is not justified.

Here are some videos of me giving my opinion of more famous people in the industry than you. Btw I like both these people I'm roasting more than you, so trust me when I'm saying in trying to play nice with you.

https://youtu.be/_k1P2QOpuhA

https://youtu.be/bGrx1Ap7s9k

https://youtu.be/g9OYuI1BQMo

https://youtu.be/xPAf3C6xIss

Please understand that I make these videos to express my opinions because when I am famous I don't want people saying I got lucky or I didn't know what I was doing because that's just not the case. The videos are to prove that I knew exactly what I was doing and knew better than everyone else in the industry.



May they stand as a testament for all of time.

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See the reality is that when you challenge my statements on game design, I don't have a choice but to defend them, or else I risk kissing my career because someone thinks I don't know what I'm talking about :( If I were to just let you get away with you claiming that luck and variance and be the same thing then not only did I fail myself but you could use that as evidence that I don't know what I'm talking about & my game design skills could be seen as fictional.



The reality is that nobody, as yet, has put any of your casino games in a casino. Another reality is that I said your game idea seems pretty good. Another reality is that nobody cares what my opinion of your game is except for you, and if they do, they shouldn't. You shouldn't even really care what my opinion of it is.

When you made a thread to discuss your game, at least, by the time you got around to telling us what the game is---my assumption was that you wanted to get the thoughts of other people on the game. To have the game discussed. After all, this is a message board.

Further, I can absolutely promise that I will not use anything as evidence that your game design skills could be questioned. I will take my opinion of your game, or games, no further than this message board. You also seem to assume that I have some reason to care what other people think about your game, and I promise I don't care at all. I don't care if it's ever installed in casinos. There is no reason for any of these things to matter to me as they will never have an impact on me UNLESS there is a way that I can play your game with a positive expectation.

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You did this to yourself, nobody else. I don't have any choice but to prove you wrong. But know that I seriously take my time reviewing the comments I make because I want to make absolute sure that what I'm saying is correct or else I'm done for.



Make good and sure. The stakes have apparently never been higher.
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January 26th, 2021 at 2:12:58 PM permalink
In all honestly, I actually think it's a good thing for a casino journalist to not have a strong game design foundation. Seriously, your average reader doesn't know much if anything about the subject it it helps not knowing the subject well so that the subject can be explained from a less scientific approach. There is a huge difference between writing articles for people that want to play casino games vs writing articles for people that want to design casino games! So far the only casino game designers that I know that actually posses the required skills to even be considered a game designer is barely in the double digits range :/ This should me self evident, just look at how many slot machine have been designed for the last 30 years and look at how little they have changed! Now compare that to the video game industry, or even the board game industry!!! Wake up guys.
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January 26th, 2021 at 2:25:40 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

In all honestly, I actually think it's a good thing for a casino journalist to not have a strong game design foundation. Seriously, your average reader doesn't know much if anything about the subject it it helps not knowing the subject well so that the subject can be explained from a less scientific approach. There is a huge difference between writing articles for people that want to play casino games vs writing articles for people that want to design casino games! So far the only casino game designers that I know that actually posses the required skills to even be considered a game designer is barely in the double digits range :/ This should me self evident, just look at how many slot machine have been designed for the last 30 years and look at how little they have changed! Now compare that to the video game industry, or even the board game industry!!! Wake up guys.



That would explain why I very rarely write about game design.

In your opinion, what would make slot machines better? You seem to believe that there is a need for them to change. In what ways should they change? Should the tech be better? Some slot machines have sophisticated graphics.

Please use comparisons if you can and try to keep any comparisons to video games. I know almost nothing about board games, don't care about them at all and can't remember the last time I played a board game that was not a phone app version.
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January 26th, 2021 at 5:10:39 PM permalink
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That would explain why I very rarely write about game design.

In your opinion, what would make slot machines better? You seem to believe that there is a need for them to change. In what ways should they change? Should the tech be better? Some slot machines have sophisticated graphics.

Please use comparisons if you can and try to keep any comparisons to video games. I know almost nothing about board games, don't care about them at all and can't remember the last time I played a board game that was not a phone app version.



Come on Mission, don't you know by now that slot machines need to be able to do 1000 spins a minute. That is what patrons want.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 11:54:31 AM permalink
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Come on Mission, don't you know by now that slot machines need to be able to do 1000 spins a minute. That is what patrons want.
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I really wish you understood that 1,000 spins per minute is absolutely not what I preach about slot machine design. Like I said earlier, Royal Slots is the fastest and slot machine possible that is considered a "fair game". A slot machine that does a 1,000 games a minute is NOT attractive to customers because they can not comprehend that many games a minute. I have an entire paragraph in my game mechanic analysis of Royal Slots that specifically talks about perceived game fairness that apparently you didn't read. Nobody can come up with a slot program that is faster than royal slots because Royal Slots literally plays at the fastest speed that the player can press the button. Remember that auto slots don't count and all games that are fair are games that the player is in full control of and can comprehended.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 12:12:55 PM permalink
Mission should just keep to the simple things in life like hunting Deer
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March 3rd, 2021 at 12:20:30 PM permalink
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Mission should just keep to the simple things in life like hunting Deer
with his car, ;)



Honestly, Mission is a really smart guy. Everyone has things they are ignorant about, especially me since I have my head stuck in so many subjects that anything outside of the scope almost doesn't exist :/
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:34:36 PM permalink
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Ya, I've been going through some terrible stuff lately & I just want everyone to know I never meant to upset anyone & if I did I'm sorry. I am trying to get my YouTube channel back but it's not a top priority right now. I've gotten a ton of emails I can't respond to. I will keep you updated, I've got some friends that are helping me & one is an attorney. Thank you for your concerns.
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March 4th, 2021 at 9:36:05 PM permalink
Ok, so lets get back to this thread discussion. I was hoping to find like minded people when I joined WoV but nobody seems to connect with me on this subject. I have made a lot of attempts but I think as a teacher there is a point where you have to start asking the class questions about what's preventing comprehension in order to resolve the issue.
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March 5th, 2021 at 1:51:15 AM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

I think as a teacher there is a point where you have to start asking the class questions about what's preventing comprehension in order to resolve the issue.

Before you can get the right answers, you need to get the right questions.

Wrong question?: Why don't my students connect with me? What's preventing them comprehending me?

Better questions?: Am I a teacher? Are these people my humble students? Why should they give a damn what I'm preaching? Might they not see value in comprehending me?

In town, there's an evangelist that stand on a soapbox sharing his wisdom. He's very passionate. Only he can see the great truths. Everyone else see's some ****** on a soapbox and just walks on by. It's not that they don't understand him.
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March 5th, 2021 at 11:46:07 AM permalink
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Before you can get the right answers, you need to get the right questions.

Wrong question?: Why don't my students connect with me? What's preventing them comprehending me?

Better questions?: Am I a teacher? Are these people my humble students? Why should they give a damn what I'm preaching? Might they not see value in comprehending me?

In town, there's an evangelist that stand on a soapbox sharing his wisdom. He's very passionate. Only he can see the great truths. Everyone else see's some ****** on a soapbox and just walks on by. It's not that they don't understand him.



OK, fair enough. So what I'm teaching isn't something that people should have to understand. In fact I don't know many applications for this type of synesthesia, which is why I choose game design as a career, but I can actually feel the emotional connections to equations or expressions that are used in games where everyone else needs to play the game to experience the emotions behind it. But I think we need to be clear about something, I am not teaching synesthesia because synesthesia is not something that can be taught. I a merely trying to see if anyone else on here has the same form of synesthesia or something similar.
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:24:25 PM permalink
So I've read this thread over and over again. This thread is like the only one of his that nothing that he is saying makes any sense to me. But yet he wants us to explain where the confusion is and I don't even know where to begin.
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:43:25 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

OK, fair enough. So what I'm teaching isn't something that people should have to understand. In fact I don't know many applications for this type of synesthesia, which is why I choose game design as a career, but I can actually feel the emotional connections to equations or expressions that are used in games where everyone else needs to play the game to experience the emotions behind it. But I think we need to be clear about something, I am not teaching synesthesia because synesthesia is not something that can be taught. I a merely trying to see if anyone else on here has the same form of synesthesia or something similar.



I haven't seen anyone on the forum talking about experiencing synesthesia related to anything. That's interesting though.
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March 5th, 2021 at 10:00:27 PM permalink
A better thread title would be "Synesthesia from math". Easier for people to figure out even if they don't have personal experience.
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March 7th, 2021 at 7:15:06 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

A better thread title would be "Synesthesia from math". Easier for people to figure out even if they don't have personal experience.



So I think the best way to describe it is from my perspective. But your probably right.
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March 7th, 2021 at 8:54:12 PM permalink
Anyone feeling this like I am right now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKkjEP29_6Y

What math expressions would you use to describe Stanley's part or Kevin's?
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