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USpapergames
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January 4th, 2021 at 11:50:49 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Here's an article I wrote a few days after the incident, if you're interested:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/las-vegas-shooting/

The article was written prior to the ban on political discussion on the Forums, so please keep that in mind if you want to quote and respond to anything in it in this thread. While I don't blame Mandalay Bay, there are some suggestions for what they (and other public venues) can do in the future that aren't necessarily political in nature.



So I disagree with some many things in your article it's not funny :/

1) It's disgusting how much you talk about gun laws as if that's the issue! The fact is that even if you make owning any firearm illegal you wouldn't have stopped the gunman (I refuse to say his name) from acquiring the guns anyway. I'm sorry but if your going to kill people & yourself then your not concerned with going to jail over breaking some laws. Did you know you can legally purchase automatic firearms & just buy a 3D printer to print the trigger assembly??? Seriously anyone could buy the majority of the firearms that he used from gun shows, which I've been to and have seen people selling full sizes assault rifles with no ID!!!

Btw, in the UK citizens can't own a firearm without applying for a license with the police department, yet criminals still use guns just like everywhere else in the world. But to me guns are just a small tool of destruction.

The sad part is that guns are not responsible in any way! The fact that you focused on making guns the issue shows me how ignorant you are about warfare. This is going to sound all bad but I truly believe that I could kill thousands of innocent people without ever using a firearm!!! I'm sorry but the big destroyer is bombs & always will be. If I was seriously about to kill a bunch of people I would do it like Ted Kaczynski only I wouldn't have mailed bombs, I would have gone to that concert stadium & rigged a bunch of C4 weeks before the show. The bombs would have blended into the scenery & would be stable to last years without going off until I set the electric destination switch. BTW I would be making all the C4 from scratch, since I know how.

Please explain to me how gun laws are going to stop someone like me from killing thousands of people? I wouldn't even need to be "remotely" close to the blast site, could always use a burning phone to set off the detonator. Then I'm still alive to do it again!!! Explain how gun laws are going to stop someone like me???

2) I agree with the need for improved casino security. Better preventative measures definitely could have been taken. Maybe wonding every guest is too much but definitely, a metal detector for luggage bigger than a backpack would be helpful.

3) So you don't discuss anything theories as to the gunman's motives??? He just so happened to choose to kill people on the strip of Las Vegas instead of any other crowded venue??? Don't you think his +million dollars of gambling losses just hours before the shooting had anything to do with it? You don't think that messing with a gambling addict's comps & room reservations isn't going to upset these wealthy degenerate customers??? Gambling addiction already drives people to do terrible things, why add more fire to someone who is already burning inside???

4) What is your deal with LVPD, are you on their side or something? You're not upset at how they "handled" the gunman, more like let him kill everyone until he killed himself before they made their way to the shooter! Your article makes it sound like the police got to the shooter before he killed himself!!! Disgusting 🤮
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January 4th, 2021 at 12:35:27 PM permalink
The casinos don't benefit from this incident. In retro, The casinos could have made it harder for the gunman. But there will always be a weak point. He would have found a way.

Casinos also spend an enormous amount of money in security. As a restauarnat owner. I've been told to hire security guards numerous times because of robberies. Do you realize that hiring a full time cop moonlighting is probably 100K/year/locaiton. Do you think my one location even makes that amount of profit. No. Do you now realize that very few restaurants have security guards because only the most busy restaurants can afford security.

Our employees including our manager thought we should hire 50 extra employees per year. That is 750k /year. That was part of the reason we were going bankrupt. Our maintenance man wanted me to spend 50k on a garbage compactor that Sam's Club use. We don't even make that much trash. 1.5 mil on a new building when we would need 20 years to break even. Starbuck's is trying to sell a locaiotn with a capital rate of 5%. Long Johns 5%. Workers have no clue what a budget is. Which is why so many large and small businesses are failing. They want the owner to spend and spend on the company like there is no tommorrow.
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January 4th, 2021 at 12:56:18 PM permalink
Note I canít use paper games objection arguments on prohibited subjects.

So Iíll use gambling.

Using an equivalent argument, itís true someone who is determined to gamble will find a way.

But paper games assumes for some reason that makes the attempt useless altogether.

The question you need to ask is, are various barriers cost effective and do they stop some gambling? And Is it worth the effort in cost?

Not do they stop everyone.

(Barriers can be combination.of a lot of things from punitive laws, to access to equipment, transmission of funds, etc.)

(Gambling is a lot harder to stop because so little paraphernalia is needed, compared to the 3 letter G word)
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:06:44 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

The casinos don't benefit from this incident. In retro, The casinos could have made it harder for the gunman. But there will always be a weak point. He would have found a way.

Casinos also spend an enormous amount of money in security. As a restauarnat owner. I've been told to hire security guards numerous times because of robberies. Do you realize that hiring a full time cop moonlighting is probably 100K/year/locaiton. Do you think my one location even makes that amount of profit. No. Do you now realize that very few restaurants have security guards because only the most busy restaurants can afford security.

Our employees including our manager thought we should hire 50 extra employees per year. That is 750k /year. That was part of the reason we were going bankrupt. Our maintenance man wanted me to spend 50k on a garbage compactor that Sam's Club use. We don't even make that much trash. 1.5 mil on a new building when we would need 20 years to break even. Starbuck's is trying to sell a locaiotn with a capital rate of 5%. Long Johns 5%. Workers have no clue what a budget is. Which is why so many large and small businesses are failing. They want the owner to spend and spend on the company like there is no tommorrow.



It's not that casinos don't benefit from the incident but they actually lose money from it. Not only just the customer who will never return to their properties but every one of those people that died was a paying customer so if you want to talk about profit losses then it makes sense for casinos to be concerned with security. Especially considering the loss in profits from just PR alone!!!

That being said, I don't think hiring more security guards would have done anything to prevent the incident but more guards were not the issues that I addressed with the casino's security.
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:09:08 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Note I canít use paper games objection arguments on prohibited subjects.

So Iíll use gambling.

Using an equivalent argument, itís true someone who is determined to gamble will find a way.

But paper games assumes for some reason that makes the attempt useless altogether.

The question you need to ask is, are various barriers cost effective and do they stop some gambling? And Is it worth the effort in cost?

Not do they stop everyone.

(Barriers can be combination.of a lot of things from punitive laws, to access to equipment, transmission of funds, etc.)

(Gambling is a lot harder to stop because so little paraphernalia is needed, compared to the 3 letter G word)



Prohibited subjects??? How is anything I'm saying political??? I believe I'm just sticking with the facts and asking questions about what everyone else thinks is right???

Please explain what you mean by "that makes the attempt useless altogether."

What are you talking about, barriers to gambling??? Do you think that the gunman incident could have been prevented if we just 86ed him for having a problem??? There are plenty of people that lose millions gambling all the time & they don't go shooting people up. You don't think that deceptive comps & room reservations to entice players to play is wrong??? Are we just going to mentally screen every player before they enter the casino??? If a high roller wants to gamble at your casino are you going to stop him until your verified for a phd psychologist that they aren't suffering from a psychological disorder???

The sad thing is I predict this type of crisis will happen A LOT more in the upcoming years. This could be trending like columbine or going postal all over again. Mack my words if casinos don't stop these devious practices just to squeeze customers, this could start to become a normal event & there won't be anything we can do about it!!!
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:28:32 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Omg someone just voted the victims were responsible just like when Mandalay bay Bay sued all the victims for getting shot :'(

That was supposed to be a joke in the poll votes guys!



To create a poll that includes the choice "The Victims are at fault" is in incredibly bad taste.
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:42:01 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

To create a poll that includes the choice "The Victims are at fault" is in incredibly bad taste.



I agree, but let's remember that I create polls to conduct research on the WoV members. I added that choice as an obvious joke since I'm assuming nobody actually believes it. So I've concluded that the poll votes are rigged. They do represent how people feel but more how people feel about me. How else could you explain my advantage slot play thread suddenly having 14 votes of yes when there were 12 votes of no before there ever being a vote for yes. The only explanation is that when I told everyone that the answer was no and that I fooled everyone into believing I wanted them to pick yes as the answer, everyone started picking yes just because they finally realized my true intentions.

The same thing is hauling with this form. People want to upset me by voting for the wrong thing to upset me so the ridiculous vote was actually obvious for me to include, that way I could tell that it's not just that thread but that there is a collective group dedicated to ruining my WoV experience :/
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:44:31 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Prohibited subjects??? How is anything I'm saying political???



We've hundreds of posts discussing guns here, but I'm pretty sure if you continue there it will get shut down. I'm surprised that thread wasn't actually closed already.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/6252-gun-show-loophole-rant/167/
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January 4th, 2021 at 2:47:56 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

We've hundreds of posts discussing guns here, but I'm pretty sure if you continue there it will get shut down. I'm surprised that thread wasn't actually closed already.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/6252-gun-show-loophole-rant/167/



Sir, my entire point is I DON'T want to discuss gun laws!!!!!!!!

Please explain what else is political 🙏

Is it political to want to mitigate a crisis like this from re-occurring???

Is it political to discuss the facts about the crises???

Is it political to be upset about people dying???
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January 4th, 2021 at 3:01:24 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Mack my words if casinos don't stop these devious practices just to squeeze customers, this could start to become a normal event & there won't be anything we can do about it!!!



I agree that better attention to good customer service would reduce incidents of customer violence, but wouldn't actually stop all of it.

Good customer service doesn't actually employ making the customer feeling cheated while doing business. IMO. But then again perceptions are not always correct either.
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