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billryan
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October 22nd, 2020 at 11:36:51 AM permalink
There are roughly 300 million Americans.
Let us say two hundred million are old enough to wear masks.
Let us say half of them wear masks. That is 100 million mask wearers.
Now some people here are trying to say that 85% of people who wear mask catch the virus.
85% of 100 million would be 85 million.
Have 85 million people in the USofA caught the virus? If not, that statistic of 85% of mask wearers catching the virus is obviously wrong.
SanchoPanza
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October 22nd, 2020 at 12:59:45 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

There are roughly 300 million Americans.
Let us say two hundred million are old enough to wear masks.
Let us say half of them wear masks. That is 100 million mask wearers.
Now some people here are trying to say that 85% of people who wear mask catch the virus.
85% of 100 million would be 85 million.
Have 85 million people in the USofA caught the virus? If not, that statistic of 85% of mask wearers catching the virus is obviously wrong.

As long as you are making up scenarios, that should include the 170 million non-mask wearers who become infected with the virus. For the innumerate, that totals 255 million infected in that scenario.
billryan
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October 22nd, 2020 at 1:03:44 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

As long as you are making up scenarios, that should include the 170 million non-mask wearers who become infected with the virus. For the innumerate, that totals 255 million infected in that scenario.



Non-mask wearers aren't part of the equation. Quite frankly, since they don't care about their fellow Americans, I'm not particularly concerned about them.
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October 22nd, 2020 at 3:38:21 PM permalink
this thread has been disabled or something... shadowbanned.... they did something to it to stop it from functioning... yet were still able to chat... i know this because ... well anyone who is aware can discern something is not functioning in this thread like normal

sorry to mess up your gambling forum
redietz
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October 23rd, 2020 at 8:15:39 AM permalink
Here's what I do not get regarding some of the posters in this thread. How can you value your own opinion above the statements of the people who designed, executed, and analyzed the study? How many of you are qualified to override the statements of the doctors who did the study and wrote the paper?

How in God's name can you argue your own opinions over theirs with a straight face and while being fair and honest?

LOL.https://news.yahoo.com/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-masks-194453508.html
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billryan
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October 23rd, 2020 at 9:20:19 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Here's what I do not get regarding some of the posters in this thread. How can you value your own opinion above the statements of the people who designed, executed, and analyzed the study? How many of you are qualified to override the statements of the doctors who did the study and wrote the paper?

How in God's name can you argue your own opinions over theirs with a straight face and while being fair and honest?

LOL.https://news.yahoo.com/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-masks-194453508.html




Science? Math? Please. You probably are one of those people who read books. Only an elitist would think years of education, training, and experience makes one an expert.
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October 23rd, 2020 at 9:42:02 AM permalink
Redietz, it seems like 'many' people seek out "experts' voicing the opinion that they want to hear, rather than seeking out opinions from knowledgeable and expert people and using those opinions to evaluate your own situation and plan going forward.

I mean you can find some so called "expert" that has any opinion that you are looking or hoping for.

I try to educate myself by reading many, many expert opinions. I try very hard to make my decisions based on science rather than what I want something to be. And I am constantly re-evaluating. Here is an example of my re-evaluating:

I shutdown my blackjack and casino play (which is how I support myself) about a week BEFORE our governor shut down casinos.

When casinos reopened, I went back testing protocols that were in place. I quickly didn't feel comfortable, mostly because of the "optional" mask wearing at the time and shut down again.

Several weeks later mask wearing became mandatory in casinos and I re-evaluated and returned.

Part of my thinking that went into my own decisions was that contracted this virus back in April and recovered after a number of weeks. Most experts though that mean some immunity, although there continue to be differing opinions on how long.

It has now been 6 months since I had the virus. I have had a complication, Pericarditis, inflammation around the heart, and recovered from that with medication. And 6 months appears to be a key number in the amount of immunity that some experts expect. There is a case here in Nevada, being talked about nationally about a healthy 25 year old male that contracted the virus twice 6 weeks apart, which throws the whole immunity thing into question. And they know he contracted it twice rather than the same infection lingering because testing showed it was actually a different strain. And the second time he got much sicker than the first requiring hospitalization, blowing up that theory that a second infection would be milder than a first.

So based on these new things, and infections once again rising here in Nevada and through out the U.S. and hitting that 6 month period where immunity may wane, I a have once again re-evaluated and decided to shutdown my casino activities.

For me it is an ongoing process, constant re-evaluation of my situation and learning all I can from those knowledgeable, including other people that have gone through or are still going through recovery.
redietz
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October 23rd, 2020 at 11:12:28 AM permalink
Kewlj, the lack of long term data is a key to many issues.

The whole idea that herd immunity can work is shot down by two simple problems, First, you have no long term data on degree of immunity or longevity of immunity. Second, you have no long term data on long term consequences of having had it. Without long term data, the concept of herd immunity is just a wild, high risk guess. The people who push herd immunity are either being dishonest or incredibly arrogant regarding what they think they know.

Hubris when it comes to other people's lives is the height of irresponsibility or sadism.

Science is self correcting. People are so flat out stupid that they think that is a defect. LOL.
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October 23rd, 2020 at 11:27:50 AM permalink
It's truly a zombie apocalypse out there. Happy Halloween.
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October 23rd, 2020 at 11:53:45 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Condoms are actually about the lease effective form of birth control. A quick google search shows 2-15%! But people engage in risky behavior, thinking they are protected.



Condoms are 98% effective against unwanted pregnancy.

They are 2% ineffective.

And yes that's Google searches.

At this point I have to ask you to please stop lying. This isn't stating an opinion anymore. Just flat-out lying
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