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April 18th, 2020 at 8:47:38 AM permalink
Hi guys
My name is ChadGridlock, I got into card counting 4 years ago and have been full time the past 2 years. I’m basically just on BJTD(discord), so I thought I’d introduce myself here.

I’m fascinated by The Theory of Blackjack and single deck play. My current project is to working out a feasible strategy for near perfect play assuming the counter can know perfect composition. My assumption is that I need to first come up with general set compositions at different depths.

My plan is to set those depths at different compositions and analyze playing strategy difference with each hand total and dealer up card.

Another way would be to set rounded “counts” per card for each playing decision, based on the changing EoRs. Ignore the implications of the difficulty of memorizing all those numbers, I assure it it is feasible with mnemonics. Please don’t argue this point, it is a distraction from my post. Research mnemonics and join those forums to argue that, and tag me because that would be fun to watch.

Side note: Are there EoRs on the EoRs of playing decisions? It seems that every single card removed would alter the true EoRs. I know this is super meta and possible pointless, but would doesn’t have time to waste?

If anyone has ideas about how a card counting mnemonist would be able to solve playing strategy on the table and before hand, please throw some ideas out there!
SOOPOO
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Side note: Are there EoRs on the EoRs of playing decisions? It seems that every single card removed would alter the true EoRs. I know this is super meta and possible pointless, but would doesn’t have time to waste?

If anyone has ideas about how a card counting mnemonist would be able to solve playing strategy on the table and before hand, please throw some ideas out there!

I'm not an expert, but the answer to first question is yes. And I'll agree on the pointless, too.

As an academic exercise your plan is interesting. As a real world way to increase your EV it will not be worth the effort.

Welcome to the forum!
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April 18th, 2020 at 4:52:27 PM permalink
“HI GUYS” lol... Was that just for me?

(inside joke)

FYI, everybody likes to hear about politics on here, especially Mr. Shackleford, he'll even give you a special color on your name if you come up with something good enough.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 18th, 2020 at 6:16:44 PM permalink

Side note: Are there EoRs on the EoRs of playing decisions? It seems that every single card removed would alter the true EoRs. I know this is super meta and possible pointless, but would doesn’t have time to waste?

If anyone has ideas about how a card counting mnemonist would be able to solve playing strategy on the table and before hand, please throw some ideas out there!

I have worked out the Eors for every BJ decision in which the difference between decisions is <0.07 (for 1 deck, 2 decks and 8 decks, assuming H17.) The EORs for decisions are not exactly linear with depletion of other ranks but its a fairly good approximation. I seem to remember that the principal departure from linearity was greatest for single deck (naturally) when facing a 7-A. For instance, if you have to make a double or hit decision on 10 vs 10, the EOR of rank n on the decision was somewhat affected by the absence or presence of rank m when m + n = 11.

I used to play single deck BJ (back in the day) but with a few other players at the table we usually only got two hands so its not that many cards to memorize. I always tried to sit at third base to see as many cards as possible so as to inform my decisions.
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April 19th, 2020 at 1:42:59 PM permalink
Hi Axel, how you doing bud? As far as politics goes, I enjoy practical theoretical BS like EoRs, but at times, the conversation seems a bit spicier than politics.
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April 19th, 2020 at 2:31:09 PM permalink

if you don't mind my asking I'm curious as to to how will all of this memorization impact your ability to play for long hours?
it sounds very tiring

I used to play for very long hours using a simple count and strategy variation based on indices
I always felt that if I changed to a more complicated count it would make me more tired and I couldn't play for nearly as long - so it would be fruitless
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standbymyman
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April 20th, 2020 at 8:36:49 AM permalink

Hi guys
My name is ChadGridlock, I got into card counting 4 years ago and have been full time the past 2 years. I’m basically just on BJTD(discord), so I thought I’d introduce myself here.

I’m fascinated by The Theory of Blackjack and single deck play. My current project is to working out a feasible strategy for near perfect play assuming the counter can know perfect composition. My assumption is that I need to first come up with general set compositions at different depths.

My plan is to set those depths at different compositions and analyze playing strategy difference with each hand total and dealer up card.

Another way would be to set rounded “counts” per card for each playing decision, based on the changing EoRs. Ignore the implications of the difficulty of memorizing all those numbers, I assure it it is feasible with mnemonics. Please don’t argue this point, it is a distraction from my post. Research mnemonics and join those forums to argue that, and tag me because that would be fun to watch.

Side note: Are there EoRs on the EoRs of playing decisions? It seems that every single card removed would alter the true EoRs. I know this is super meta and possible pointless, but would doesn’t have time to waste?

If anyone has ideas about how a card counting mnemonist would be able to solve playing strategy on the table and before hand, please throw some ideas out there!

Is that your first or last name? Or both?
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April 21st, 2020 at 12:26:48 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

if you don't mind my asking I'm curious as to to how will all of this memorization impact your ability to play for long hours?
it sounds very tiring

I used to play for very long hours using a simple count and strategy variation based on indices
I always felt that if I changed to a more complicated count it would make me more tired and I couldn't play for nearly as long - so it would be fruitless

It’s hard to say at this point. I haven’t committed the time to deck count downs, because I haven’t solved playing strategy yet. My time started around 3:45 for all side counts including tens, and over 113 deck count downs I got it down to 1:13. Since then, I have abandoned the tens side count and substituted hi opt 1 for now. Doing a tens side count without a non tens or every card count is fruitless trying to use deck estimation. I figure a balanced count for tens is more practical and doesn’t sacrifice much on the playing decisions, which is what I’m focused on.

I don’t play long hours to begin with, but even 5-15 minute breaks are effective for giving your brain a rest. Research pomodoros about this topic.

I agree that you could generate more money using Hilo sweet 16 based on the measurement of maximizing hours in a day. But that is not my goal, I hate playing 8 hour plus days. Besides, it is foolish to use a big spread on single deck. The way I see it, there are limited single deck games in existence. It would be difficult to get burned from every 6d game, but that not so with single deck. By the time I am burned from every single deck game, I will have lasted longer and had a higher hourly than if I just tried to “maximize” BJA style.

4 hour sessions without a break is my goal. Mental fatigue is real, but people can memorize decks using more complicated systems than mine in sub 15 second times.’