When will casinos open?
Quote: AZDuffmanMy friends and family are part of the majority that find the masks silly.
As to "another lockdown" we had better hope not. Enough damage already done. We are seeing some good, old fashioned treatments working and that the deaths are concentrated among the older members of society. Need to use that in our responses.
Life is risk. I honestly cannot believe people who think we need to wear masks lest we all die would put money at risk in a casino.
I'm thinking you may not understand the meaning of the word majority.
Even an inadequate barrier should disrupt the direct flow forward.
Crush up a dozen Cheetos in a bowl. Rub your fingers in the bowl and go watch tv for an hour. Then look in the mirror.
Quote: AZDuffmanHave to keep it open. Staying locked down is not practical. Unseen damage is mounting.
In the case of Lassen county I agree with you. 4 cases over 30k people. You still actually have a chance to contact trace.
I'm visiting my mother for the first time in almost 3 months this weekend. Her zip code only has 50 total cases for 53k people. So pretty safe, but I'll still have a mask on in public, doubt i will eat in at a restaurant, and won't go the casino when it reopens on Monday in Missouri, even though I'd really like to. June 1st was the date I predicted Midwest casinos to open back when they closed.
Quote: billryanI'm thinking you may not understand the meaning of the word majority.
>50%
Do you think it's just going to magically go away somehow?Quote: AZDuffman
As to "another lockdown" we had better hope not.
According to reports we are nowhere near herd immunity. I understand people are willing, ready and eager to get back out there, and I don't blame them. I just don't think we're actually ready the deal with a second wave. We are just winging it and hoping at this at this point. Reasonable best case predictions don't seem to be all that encouraging worst-case scenarios seem a little far-fetched. Assuming it's somewhere in the middle then I think we're f*****.
Quote: AxelWolfDo you think it's just going to magically go away somehow?
According to reports we are nowhere near herd immunity. I understand people are willing, ready and eager to get back out there, and I don't blame them. I just don't think we're actually ready the deal with a second wave. We are just winging it and hoping at this at this point. Reasonable best case predictions don't seem to be all that encouraging worst-case scenarios seem a little far-fetched. Assuming it's somewhere in the middle then I think we're f*****.
Go away? Maybe, maybe not. History is mixed. In the end we just have to deal with it. The two things we have seen in this wave are that cases are extremely concentrated in NY/NJ and a few dense areas. Nursing homes are extremely susceptible and locking them down makes some sense. One county here has a high "red" status surrounded by counties not near its level. It is no metro to anyone but some remote place in the southwest. The reason? A big nursing home skewing the case numbers. A classic case in how executives need to read more than the raw numbers.
That aside, we cannot lock down again. Too much damage. Have to deal with it like a nation that cannot just print money. Tell people who are sick to stay home. Send people like me who will drag themselves to work no matter what to go home if needed. Tell people to make sure they take in enough zinc. Get enough rest. Otherwise life has to go on. Another thing we learned was the models were far enough off to be considered "guestimates."
Most of all, stop scaring ourselves to death.
Quote: billryanTake the Cheetos challenge.
Crush up a dozen Cheetos in a bowl. Rub your fingers in the bowl and go watch tv for an hour. Then look in the mirror.
No way. I'd look like Trump.
Edit.... I hope above does not count as a political comment; it wasn't meant as such.
The major Casino chain I work for is opening numerous properties as I type this. I just looked on the internet and seen on some other forums pictures posted from the casino floor.
Just a few changes and everyone's moving forward. Kind of what I thought would happen is happening.
If you're sick it's too late, haven't we all learned that by now? That's one of the biggest problems with this particular virus... people who aren't sick yet can still spread it. Take zinc and get rest is your answer, come on man, you can't be serious with that.Quote: AZDuffmanGo away? Maybe, maybe not. History is mixed. In the end we just have to deal with it. The two things we have seen in this wave are that cases are extremely concentrated in NY/NJ and a few dense areas. Nursing homes are extremely susceptible and locking them down makes some sense. One county here has a high "red" status surrounded by counties not near its level. It is no metro to anyone but some remote place in the southwest. The reason? A big nursing home skewing the case numbers. A classic case in how executives need to read more than the raw numbers.
That aside, we cannot lock down again. Too much damage. Have to deal with it like a nation that cannot just print money. Tell people who are sick to stay home. Send people like me who will drag themselves to work no matter what to go home if needed. Tell people to make sure they take in enough zinc. Get enough rest. Otherwise life has to go on. Another thing we learned was the models were far enough off to be considered "guestimates."
Most of all, stop scaring ourselves to death.
The problem with people making their own decision who are willing to risk their own lives is the fact that it doesn't just affect them and their family, it affects all the other patients and Healthcare facilities, essential workers, nurses, doctors, and healthcare workers that have to take care of those people when they're sick.
"In the end we just have to deal with it." that might be the way to go, and just hope for the best. If things get serious, I just can't see that happening. Unfortunately for many, I do believe there will end up being more lockdowns.
Over here, I have never seen anything more ambiguous than the stats that come from our local paper, [that I still get 5 days]. Our governor [Ducey] is also the flakiest man in the west.Quote: AxelWolfIf you're sick it's too late, haven't we all learned that by now? That's one of the biggest problems with this particular virus... people who aren't sick yet can still spread it. Take zinc and get rest is your answer, come on man, you can't be serious with that.
The problem with people making their own decision who are willing to risk their own lives is the fact that it doesn't just affect them and their family, it affects all the other patients and Healthcare facilities, essential workers, nurses, doctors, and healthcare workers that have to take care of those people when they're sick.
Az, still does not have reliable testing. In the paper, they started blitz testing here, [Kingman, Bullhead and Havasu] just about a month ago. I have a friend that went, two weeks ago, and still doesn't have the results. The test used for the "blitz" testing, is the anti body test, that in another article in the paper claims to be 40% false negatives. So if you test negative, you should get another more reliable test, or so they say. IDK, what you are supposed to do, it you take a test, deemed unreliable and test positive but never have any symptoms?
We are the worst state in the country on tests, and the Navajo res. is the worst per capita, with only 70% of them having running water. Here in Mojave county, we have a 65% rate of senior citizens, the highest in the country, and we have the lowest testing in the country, and those tests are only at best 60% accurate.
How can anyone build a model and guess whether the Sars Cov-2 virus is more dangerous than Swine flu, or H1N1 or any other seasonal flu? With the new fad hand washing and sanitizing all the rage, it may be safer now then it was before the Corona Sars-2, but we will never know, there is no one that controls the numbers that gives a hoot about letting us know what the chances are.
Our guvnor is more concerned [in the paper] about us not finding out which rest homes have the highest kill rates, because it might be bad for business. They have stats, and are keeping those stats hidden better than the secrets to WOF.
I'm living dead center of the epicenter with the worst rates in the country per person, and the health dept. is admittedly not letting me know where the virus is worst. Facebook is the only informative source, and I don't have an acct. smh
Quote: SOOPOOI believe there is a single casino in Union Springs NY that is ignoring Cuomo (sovereign land?) and is open already.
I saw news about the opening of individual poker rooms here and there.
For July 4th reopening of Atlantic City casinos
Governor Murphy gave the most non-binding assurance possible
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/05/atlantic-city-casinos-could-reopen-by-july-4th-murphy-says.html%3foutputType=amp
Quote: darkozLooks like a tentative maybe perhaps, possible, who knows
For July 4th reopening of Atlantic City casinos
Err, maybe not. Just heard from a friend, Rioting and looting happened in AC today.
https://www.facebook.com/djsoulchild1989/videos/10220072502075340/UzpfSTE4MDY2NDY0ODY6MTAyMTM3Mzc1NjQxOTI0NjY/
Skip forward to see some footage of the looting. Update: Found better footage with no commentary.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/looters-break-windows-of-ralph-lauren-store-in-atlantic-city-20200531.html
Quote: BedWetterBetterErr, maybe not. Just heard from a friend, Rioting and looting happened in AC today.
https://www.facebook.com/djsoulchild1989/videos/10220072502075340/UzpfSTE4MDY2NDY0ODY6MTAyMTM3Mzc1NjQxOTI0NjY/
Skip forward to see some footage of the looting. Update: Found better footage with no commentary.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/looters-break-windows-of-ralph-lauren-store-in-atlantic-city-20200531.html
I don't think we will still be rioting six weeks from now
Quote: darkozI don't think we will still be rioting six weeks from now
Depends on the jury verdict, remember Rodney King?
Quote: BedWetterBetterDepends on the jury verdict, remember Rodney King?
Seriously?
You think the trial and jury verdict are expected within the next six weeks?
BTW, I don't think the rioting will be around in six weeks to stop the reopening of AC just to be clear this is still a discussion of gambling and not suspendable material
Quote: darkozSeriously?
You think the trial and jury verdict are expected within the next six weeks?
BTW, I don't think the rioting will be around in six weeks to stop the reopening of AC just to be clear this is still a discussion of gambling and not suspendable material
The officer in the video is already under arrest and the video is pretty straightforward, so it's possible given the media scrutiny. Not to mention, 4th of July weekend is in 33 days(not 6 weeks) and this current riot is 6 days after the Floyd incident occurred. So should anything else happen between police and protestors in the next 33 days, I wouldn't be shocked to see more riots and looting.
Which is why Murphy would probably err on the side of caution and not rush the re-opening of AC, in light of today's events and growing tension between police and protestors in the nation.
Quote: BedWetterBetterThe officer in the video is already under arrest and the video is pretty straightforward, so it's possible given the media scrutiny. Not to mention, 4th of July weekend is in 33 days(not 6 weeks) and this current riot is 6 days after the Floyd incident occurred. So should anything else happen between police and protestors in the next 33 days, I wouldn't be shocked to see more riots and looting.
Which is why Murphy would probably err on the side of caution and not rush the re-opening of AC, in light of today's events and growing tension between police and protestors in the nation.
No way the trial occurs in the next six weeks
There are going to be requests from both sides. For example, I am certain the defense is going to want some kind of psych evaluation of the officer.
Furthermore, the rioting is a good reason the defense will give for postponing any quick trial. He will argue with the protests any jury will be difficult to find unbiased.
By the time all the motions and counter motions are done that cops trial is two years away.
I think casinos will be open long before his trial
In any event, people will certainly be upset over this and anything else that occurs between now and the 4th of July weekend. So Murphy's tentative plan to re-open AC would probably be delayed, with the already present danger of infection on top of the added threat of riots and looting, which was more than confirmed by the events of today.
Quote: BedWetterBetterAgain, it's pure speculation on your part. There may be a plea agreement or he dies in jail. Nobody can predict how this plays out.
In any event, people will certainly be upset over this and anything else that occurs between now and the 4th of July weekend. So Murphy's tentative plan to re-open AC would probably be delayed, with the already present danger of infection on top of the added threat of riots and looting, which was more than confirmed by the events of today.
From my understanding, the protesters are starting to get out of hand with some vandalism on the boardwalk.
Quote: BedWetterBetterAgain, it's pure speculation on your part. There may be a plea agreement or he dies in jail. Nobody can predict how this plays out.
In any event, people will certainly be upset over this and anything else that occurs between now and the 4th of July weekend. So Murphy's tentative plan to re-open AC would probably be delayed, with the already present danger of infection on top of the added threat of riots and looting, which was more than confirmed by the events of today.
Yes, plea agreement or death in jail could happen in next six weeks.
We agree there.
I suppose some shock announcement like that could delay AC further.
Just don't believe any trial will happen in next six weeks. Plea agreement would mean no trial occurs
EDIT: There maybe another reason that the protests cause the casinos not to reopen.
There isn't any social distance going on. 33 days from now? Perfect incubation period.
No surprise is three weeks from now we suffer major Coronavirus cases again due to the protests
Huhhhh! SMH
I think I'm going to take the over on " protesting" causing zero outbreaks.Quote: AZDuffman
So many of them suddenly decided to wear masks. And I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the Coronavirus.
Quote: darkozYes, plea agreement or death in jail could happen in next six weeks.
We agree there.
I suppose some shock announcement like that could delay AC further.
Just don't believe any trial will happen in next six weeks. Plea agreement would mean no trial occurs
EDIT: There maybe another reason that the protests cause the casinos not to reopen.
There isn't any social distance going on. 33 days from now? Perfect incubation period.
No surprise is three weeks from now we suffer major Coronavirus cases again due to the protests
Huhhhh! SMH
You're all over the place and it's not helping. Since neither of us can predict the social climate and agendas of capitalists, let's just wait and see what happens.
serious question, I take it the buses aren't running right now?Quote: darkoz
Quote: AxelWolfserious question, I take it the buses aren't running right now?
Incorrect
In NYC public transportation is considered essential.
In fact, all public city buses are currently free.
Back door (normally the exit) access only except for wheelchair where the electric ramp is front door.
The front seating section of every bus is roped off with chains and plastic barriers so the drivers come into zero contact with passengers except as noted the necessary wheelchair passengers.
I have been riding for free for 2 1/2 months now. I only travel to do shopping or pay bills though. I did take the quarantine seriously
Why?Quote: ChumpChangeCops are slashing tires in parking lots full of cars in Minneapolis.
But with all the looting in cities from coast to coast, Boston, Philadelphia, New York, right across the country to California cities there has to be concerns about opening up casinos before this settles down. Reno had some looting last night. Can you imagine if Casinos were open and these thugs that seem to take over these protests after dark, run in, knocking over people and tables grabbing chips. Casino security isn't trained or equipped to handle this kind of thing. I just don't know how you re-open casinos right in the middle of this. I wouldn't be surprised if they postponed Las Vegas casino openings a week.
Quote: ChumpChangeCops are doing a lot of politically incorrect things this week, like shooting at reporters. Should probably check their gang signs and see if they match up with Power Rangers or something.
In my opinion, cops and national guards aren't doing enough politically incorrect things. This is ridiculous. I just watched a Bank of América get broken into in one city with dozens of thugs getting inside. In another city, two guys, happened to be white guys in their 20's used crowbars to take an ATM out of the wall and were in the process of breaking into it. The looting that has taken place in Philadelphia, New York and California cities all day long is ridiculous. As an American, it's embarrassing.
These aren't people peacefully protesting anything as we all have a right to do in this country. These are people coming to a "peaceful protest" with spray paint, devices to start fires, crowbars, bolt cutters and baseball bats to break into and loot stores. These aren't protestors, they are thugs and criminals and should be treated as such.
When the stay at home orders are to protect from riots it's okay. But not from the Coronavirus?
https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/state-of-emergency-issued-for-all-of-onondaga-county/
Curfews until June 5th, 8pm - 7am, unless cancelled or extended.
State Of Emergency until June 30th unless cancelled or extended.
Quote: darkozSo with all the curfews in place where are all the people yelling they refuse to be locked down?
When the stay at home orders are to protect from riots it's okay. But not from the Coronavirus?
You’re comparing 14 hours per day vs 1-2 hours a day to take a walk/jog or go grocery shopping.
Quote: mcallister3200You’re comparing 14 hours per day vs 1-2 hours a day to take a walk/jog or go grocery shopping.
True
But that means half your freedoms are acceptable? To lose?
Yeah, f*** it, let's just let everybody do what they want anytime they want. 😒Quote: darkozTrue
But that means half your freedoms are acceptable? To lose?
Quote: AxelWolfYeah, f*** it, let's just let everybody do what they want anytime they want. 😒
How benevolent of you.
There are some quite polar and potentially controversial opinions and the rights and wrongs of business openings and of social distancing practices, generally.
Let's not stray into arguing our opinions of those rights and wrongs and try to stay on the more practical assessment of if or when venues might open... regardless of whether we have an opinion of if they should or not.
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Quote: rxwineLas Vegas has about 1/2 the number of police as Los Angeles, which is pretty good for the amount of area coverage.
LA has historically had a pretty small police force. I was stunned the first time I drove down Hollywood Blvd. It's LA's equivalent of Times Square and not a cop in sight.
In addition, few police departments, except for maybe New York and possibly the District of Columbia, have as much experience with crowd management as Southern Nevada agencies.Quote: rxwineLas Vegas has about 1/2 the number of police as Los Angeles, which is pretty good for the amount of area coverage.
Lyndon Johnson didn't have to declare martial law in '68. When superior Conarc troops and firepower from Fort Lee showed up in Anacostia, it was more than abundantly clear who was in control and what would happen in any event. That was, of course, when the next building to be burned down was the district building.Quote: darkozSo with all the curfews in place where are all the people yelling they refuse to be locked down? When the stay at home orders are to protect from riots it's okay. But not from the Coronavirus?
Quote: AxelWolfYeah, f*** it, let's just let everybody do what they want anytime they want. 😒
Absolutely. But what happens when one person wants to do something that interferes with what another person wants to do?
For example: I want to drink clean water. But someone else wants to dump toxic waste into Lake Mead. Who gets to do what they want?
1. First let me say that the video of the police killing George Floyd is horrific. How many people (black and white) are killed by law enforcement that are not taped by cellphones?
(My source for the following was what the Minnesota police reportedly told my family members and other leaders of the Longfellow community. There are now denials and all sorts of politically-charged claims being made on public media. I did not mean to post on a political topic. )
2. There is a private paramilitary organization- funded by a certain octogenarian billionaire who is rabidly anti-police -which has mobilized "professional agitators" to Minneapolis, and several other major cities. They are stirring the protestors up into mobs and organizing some of the violence in the riots. (The Minneapolis police found several bombs planted over the weekend.) You can recognize these paramilitary protestors on the video footage and streaming video of the protests - they are young white men wearing all black with backpacks. Law enforcement at all levels has been coordinating across the country on countermeasures as of Sunday.
So, the riots are a mixture of righteous anger and opportunistic looting, but something entirely different also appears to be going on. The authorities understand the "privately funded protestor" issue now and it is being dealt with.
So, I think the worst violence in the protesting will fade away pretty quickly. Of course, the underlying issues and the anger will remain.
I guess you'll have go somewhere else and find clean water.Quote: TomGAbsolutely. But what happens when one person wants to do something that interferes with what another person wants to do?
For example: I want to drink clean water. But someone else wants to dump toxic waste into Lake Mead. Who gets to do what they want?
I certainly hope everyone could tell my statement was sarcasm. IMHO we need to crush the rioters and looters via martial law.
As far as the re-openings go, is anyone getting any decent offers to return? I'm not.
Quote: Lovecomps
As far as the re-openings go, is anyone getting any decent offers to return? I'm not.
I have gotten offers from 3 casinos (or chains) so far. In March I had 12, which is down from a few years ago when I played machines more and used to get 2 dozen. In March I had 2 properties that I was at the top of my cycle, meaning getting my top offers from. (My offers cycle down for a few months until I reset with a big play.)
So one of the locations that I was at the top of my cycle (about $800 fp/month) sent out an email in March saying when they opened I would receive similar amounts that I was receiving in March. So far I have received nothing from those top 2. :(
Riverside, Laughlin has gone up slightly... everything else in Laughlin has either gone down or not said anything.
