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DRich
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March 5th, 2020 at 9:21:10 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

At the PA/OH border they charge one way for the PA turnpike. Itís like $8! I took a side road when I was doing courier work and sometimes still do. But it makes sense if I am just going home.




Raise the rates. I would pay a lot more than $8 to get out of Pennsylvania.
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March 5th, 2020 at 9:47:53 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Most of NY has eliminated toll booths (and their workers AND the police sentinels and enforcers AND the cleaning crews and upkeep.

In place they have installed digital "poles" which either scan your EZpass or send you (much higher) toll bill in the mail.



How do they know where you live if you don't live in NY? What if you're using a rental car?
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March 5th, 2020 at 10:05:27 AM permalink
Am I the only one that wants to correct the grammar of the topic title every time this thread pops up?
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DRich
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March 5th, 2020 at 10:23:52 AM permalink
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Am I the only one that wants to correct the grammar of the topic title every time this thread pops up?



Whom would want to do that?
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March 5th, 2020 at 10:23:57 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

How do they know where you live if you don't live in NY? What if you're using a rental car?



Toll goes to the plates owner., same as red light tickets. If unpaid, you can't renew your car's registration. I'm not sure how hard they go after that. They can suspend your drivers license, or any state licenses you might have and I believe they can suspend your car's insurance. That would make driving a felony. It's theft of service, and you can be arrested for it, though I'm not sure how.many are.
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March 5th, 2020 at 10:57:34 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

How do they know where you live if you don't live in NY? What if you're using a rental car?



I can tell you..... I used a rental car in San Juan and went through a 15 cent toll but there was no way for me to pay it. A few weeks later the rental car company charged me $22.50.
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March 5th, 2020 at 11:18:00 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Raise the rates. I would pay a lot more than $8 to get out of Pennsylvania.



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March 5th, 2020 at 12:30:20 PM permalink
Fun fact if you skip paying tolls in a car with Canadian license plates they donít send you a bill or come after you. I assume something to do with jurisdiction or it costing more to collect than the collection.

Edit: I should say while driving Canadian car in USA.
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March 9th, 2020 at 12:52:11 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

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As an example, in Baltimore there is a toll booth in BOTH directions of the Key Bridge. I've been asking the question for 30 years and still nobody has ever been able to explain to me an argument against doubling the toll in one direction and making it free the other. You reduce total waiting time at the bridge, less carbon footprint, and revenue remains the same. However, knowing Maryland politics, somebody will say the J word whenever the topic gets suggested.

The bridge about 30 miles north just short of Delaware is $6 one way. The Bay Bridge is one way too. But there is no way to avoid those. I think if the Key bridge were one way there would be people going around it. From where I come from I go 695 to avoid the toll. It's a coin toss as to which is faster so I avoid it. If it were free one way I may go through it.

The toll to get out of NJ to DE or PA was just raised to $5. I wouldn't say I'm a tight wad per se but there's definitely been times I've avoided going to NJ just so I don't have to pay to get out. Of course though there is no price too high to get out of NJ.
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March 9th, 2020 at 1:23:24 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I used to think gambling dealers fell under "the shoemaker's kids go barefoot" but it is deeper. Even less intelligent dealers will see people keep losing. Sharper ones will limit play to not play, an exception being poker dealers who can learn from all that play they watch. But to be a bartender and watch VP or table top slots drain people then play after their shift ends?

What I really think it is about is what I call a "serf class." Being a class of people who think their lot will never, can never improve so try to make a small score and have a nice few days. From the dealer who had a big tip night to the salesman who had a big commission check to the gangster who made a big score. You live high off the hog for a few days or weeks, then back to hand to mouth.

Don't think it is just the low income quint. All those upper middle class places in Vegas and elsewhere. Lots have leased cars, maxed credit cards, and every few years they refi the equity right out of the house.

It has gone on forever. It will go on forever. .

Well said, I agree for the most part. Many of those employees who I was talking about make enough to pay their bills and live just fine even after they gamble a significant amount away. I'm sure they're all borrowing money from each other from time to time and taking out a few payday loans here and there. Then I'm sure there's the other end of the spectrum both ways. Some guy'/ gals life gets totally ruined do to a gambling addiction, meanwhile, another bartender doesn't Gamble and they live very frugal overall and saves tens of thousands per year.

I'm still fairly certain we would be better off overall if not for all the legalized gambling. That can be said about a great many things(including guns😁)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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