How honest are your casino drawings?
Whatchu think?
I've heard reputable stories saying some machines in a certain casino have not been depositing entries. I'm not sure whose software they use. There can be mistakes and the public will never know when they happen.Quote: BTLWII gotta say, I'm convinced Atrient/ Everi drawing software is not on the square - or can be tweaked to be not on the square. Way too much funny business.
Whatchu think?
Quote: BTLWII gotta say, I'm convinced Atrient/ Everi drawing software is not on the square - or can be tweaked to be not on the square. Way too much funny business.
Whatchu think?
What do you call on the square? A casino can choose the parameters of a drawing. It can be that every person has 1 "ticket". It can also be weighted by points, time on machine, previous play, etc.
I run drawings that are heavily weighted toward table games players. Every active card in a machine gets 1 ticket, while table games players get 1 per 25 points earned. So, if you are a slot player, these specific drawing are not on the square.
ZCore13
Not on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.Quote: Zcore13What do you call on the square? A casino can choose the parameters of a drawing. It can be that every person has 1 "ticket". It can also be weighted by points, time on machine, previous play, etc.
I run drawings that are heavily weighted toward table games players. Every active card in a machine gets 1 ticket, while table games players get 1 per 25 points earned. So, if you are a slot player, these specific drawing are not on the square.
ZCore13
Also, any points based drawing can be rigged by any table games manager or supervisor (theoretically, at least) anytime. You’d just have to assign the player points that the action would not normally have qualified for.
Quote: AxelWolfNot on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.
Exactly.
Basically if there's a 10 name drawing, as a winning player it seems like I'm filtered out of many of those available spots.
For example -
Spots 1-3 may only draw from people who lost $25000+ last year and will "give back" all winnings.
Spots 5-6 may be only newish players.
Spots 7--9 may be all ticket holders.
Those are made up filters but the basic idea of how I think they may work.
Quote: BTLWIExactly.
Basically if there's a 10 name drawing, as a winning player it seems like I'm filtered out of many of those available spots.
For example -
Spots 1-3 may only draw from people who lost $25000+ last year and will "give back" all winnings.
Spots 5-6 may be only newish players.
Spots 7--9 may be all ticket holders.
Those are made up filters but the basic idea of how I think they may work.
In Nevada casinos are required to post all of the rules so the players can see the details of the promotion. If the casino won't give you a copy or let you read them contact Nevada Gaming.
Quote: AxelWolfNot on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.
If they read the rules they know. If it favors people that play more, isn't that the same as a person buying more tickets in a raffle having a better chance? Is a raffle square?
ZCore13
YES, It SHOULD favor people that EARN MORE TICKETS. Please re-read what I said. "Favor certain players WHO THEY WANT TO WIN. I.E. Some high roller/big loser who earned very few tickets.Quote: Zcore13If they read the rules they know. If it favors people that play more, isn't that the same as a person buying more tickets in a raffle having a better chance? Is a raffle square?
ZCore13
see BTLWI's post above. I never met or talked to him regarding any of this type of stuff. It's kind of creepy that he came up with the same thing very close to what I have been thinking has been going on for a long time.
Often times the rules are laid out, but I have yet to see them claim the drawings will favor certain groups/people regardless of the number of entries one has.
Quote: AxelWolfYES, It SHOULD favor people that EARN MORE TICKETS. Please re-read what I said. "Favor certain players WHO THEY WANT TO WIN. I.E. Some high roller/big loser who earned very few tickets.
see BTLWI's post above. I never met or talked to him regarding any of this type of stuff. It's kind of creepy that he came up with the same thing very close to what I have been thinking has been going on for a long time.
Often times the rules are laid out, but I have yet to see them claim the drawings will favor certain groups/people regardless of the number of entries one has.
So you feel that people’s chances of winning should be based simply on their level and volume of play regardless of winning/ losing .. but you think the casinos just favor those who lose?
The most recent drawings ive participated in , the higher tiered members accumulated 3 X more than the lower tiered members. And also won 3X the prize amount, meaning the dollar amount was tripled what ever they won.
Quote: VegasriderNever liked the computerized drawings.i prefer the traditional drop your tixets in the drum. As members have mentioned, the computer program can be programed to do anything. On the other hand, traditional tix can be transferred over to other players. I wish a casino had the capability to print out tixets in your name and then you place them in the drum.
The most recent drawings ive participated in , the higher tiered members accumulated 3 X more than the lower tiered members. And also won 3X the prize amount, meaning the dollar amount was tripled what ever they won.
As one who sets up many casino drawings, printing tickets is very expensive and time consuming. It also causes a lot of consumer bottle necks because people don't want to print their tickets until right before the drawing. We have had lines that were hours long for people to print and get their tickets. They may still be waiting in line at the time of the drawing and not have any tickets actually printed and put in the drum.
As a patron all I want to know is how many tickets that I have in the drawing and how many total tickets are in the drawing.
Quote: DRichAs one who sets up many casino drawings, printing tickets is very expensive and time consuming. It also causes a lot of consumer bottle necks because people don't want to print their tickets until right before the drawing. We have had lines that were hours long for people to print and get their tickets. They may still be waiting in line at the time of the drawing and not have any tickets actually printed and put in the drum.
As a patron all I want to know is how many tickets that I have in the drawing and how many total tickets are in the drawing.
Since when does a casino care about cost, factor it into the promotion or marketing cost. You can always delay or have a period to redeem your tixets to eliminate the lines. Having a visual of the number of tix is somewhat helpful on determining how many tix are live.
For computerized drawings. Wonder if anyone has the right to request how many tix were in the drum?
Quote: VegasriderSince when does a casino care about cost, factor it into the promotion or marketing cost. You can always delay or have a period to redeem your tixets to eliminate the lines. Having a visual of the number of tix is somewhat helpful on determining how many tix are live.
For computerized drawings. Wonder if anyone has the right to request how many tix were in the drum?
Casinos do care about financial cost but more important is the cost of people standing in lines and not playing the games. I have had casinos tell me both how many tickets I was issued and how many are in the drum for electronic drawings.
Quote: Mission146Not even any hot seats or anything?
Funny, they do have hot seat promos but only for the machines. They even have player rewards points multiplier days, 2x, 3x, etc, once again only for playing the machines. At least they have 9/6 VP
Quote: VegasriderFunny, they do have hot seat promos but only for the machines. They even have player rewards points multiplier days, 2x, 3x, etc, once again only for playing the machines. At least they have 9/6 VP
Many places have no interest in rewarding table games players. Most table games departments bring in 15% or less of revenue.
Some smaller casinos (like one I worked at), don't have the software to include table games players in random or hot seat drawings. If they are tracking play with paper, rather than with a screen at the table, they almost positively don't have the capability.
ZCore13
I have no reason to believe that the drawings themselves are rigged.
