BTLWI
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February 4th, 2020 at 8:20:34 PM permalink
I gotta say, I'm convinced Atrient/ Everi drawing software is not on the square - or can be tweaked to be not on the square. Way too much funny business.


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February 5th, 2020 at 3:41:01 AM permalink
Quote: BTLWI

I gotta say, I'm convinced Atrient/ Everi drawing software is not on the square - or can be tweaked to be not on the square. Way too much funny business.


Whatchu think?

I've heard reputable stories saying some machines in a certain casino have not been depositing entries. I'm not sure whose software they use. There can be mistakes and the public will never know when they happen.
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February 5th, 2020 at 6:49:44 AM permalink
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I gotta say, I'm convinced Atrient/ Everi drawing software is not on the square - or can be tweaked to be not on the square. Way too much funny business.


Whatchu think?



What do you call on the square? A casino can choose the parameters of a drawing. It can be that every person has 1 "ticket". It can also be weighted by points, time on machine, previous play, etc.

I run drawings that are heavily weighted toward table games players. Every active card in a machine gets 1 ticket, while table games players get 1 per 25 points earned. So, if you are a slot player, these specific drawing are not on the square.


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February 5th, 2020 at 8:36:23 AM permalink
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What do you call on the square? A casino can choose the parameters of a drawing. It can be that every person has 1 "ticket". It can also be weighted by points, time on machine, previous play, etc.

I run drawings that are heavily weighted toward table games players. Every active card in a machine gets 1 ticket, while table games players get 1 per 25 points earned. So, if you are a slot player, these specific drawing are not on the square.


ZCore13

Not on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 5th, 2020 at 8:50:16 AM permalink
Meh. Just assume that all the drawings except those with the most detailed and clearest rules are gimmicked in favor of certain players and you’ll not go wrong. Every casino does it.

Also, any points based drawing can be rigged by any table games manager or supervisor (theoretically, at least) anytime. You’d just have to assign the player points that the action would not normally have qualified for.
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February 5th, 2020 at 9:41:38 AM permalink
I am still very bitter about a drawing at the Venetian many years ago. It was an invitational drawing and I probably played for 40 hours over the weekend earning period playing $1 5-play video poker. I can't imagine that anyone earned more points that weekend than I did. I believe they drew 40 names for prizes with the highest being $250,000 and 40th place getting $1,000. My name was not drawn at all. I was convinced that that was statistically improbable. A year later the Venetian was busted for fixing drawings and was given a big fine by Nevada Gaming Control.
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February 5th, 2020 at 10:02:06 AM permalink
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Not on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.



Exactly.

Basically if there's a 10 name drawing, as a winning player it seems like I'm filtered out of many of those available spots.

For example -
Spots 1-3 may only draw from people who lost $25000+ last year and will "give back" all winnings.
Spots 5-6 may be only newish players.
Spots 7--9 may be all ticket holders.

Those are made up filters but the basic idea of how I think they may work.
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February 5th, 2020 at 10:41:44 AM permalink
Quote: BTLWI

Exactly.

Basically if there's a 10 name drawing, as a winning player it seems like I'm filtered out of many of those available spots.

For example -
Spots 1-3 may only draw from people who lost $25000+ last year and will "give back" all winnings.
Spots 5-6 may be only newish players.
Spots 7--9 may be all ticket holders.

Those are made up filters but the basic idea of how I think they may work.



In Nevada casinos are required to post all of the rules so the players can see the details of the promotion. If the casino won't give you a copy or let you read them contact Nevada Gaming.
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February 5th, 2020 at 11:27:39 AM permalink
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Not on the square=Exclude certain players without them ever knowing. Favor certain players who they want to win.



If they read the rules they know. If it favors people that play more, isn't that the same as a person buying more tickets in a raffle having a better chance? Is a raffle square?


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February 5th, 2020 at 1:28:13 PM permalink
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If they read the rules they know. If it favors people that play more, isn't that the same as a person buying more tickets in a raffle having a better chance? Is a raffle square?


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YES, It SHOULD favor people that EARN MORE TICKETS. Please re-read what I said. "Favor certain players WHO THEY WANT TO WIN. I.E. Some high roller/big loser who earned very few tickets.

see BTLWI's post above. I never met or talked to him regarding any of this type of stuff. It's kind of creepy that he came up with the same thing very close to what I have been thinking has been going on for a long time.

Often times the rules are laid out, but I have yet to see them claim the drawings will favor certain groups/people regardless of the number of entries one has.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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