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mcallister3200
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:39:39 AM permalink
Thereís always been a disconnect with what is appropriate to discuss publicly between APís that are more into it for theory, recreation, moderate part of their income stream and those who depend on it. Not a new thing this squabble has played out on various blackjack forums. The odd part about DO is he behaves as if he doesnít depend on it as a significant source of income.
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Rig, I'm recommending you not leave the forum. If you think by leaving that the information posted here just disappears, then you are just being an ostrich. Feel free to use your voice to express your displeasure with the type of posts darkoz has made, as you have done. But what do you gain by going bye-bye?



I don't actively participate in a venue that is being used to cause me material harm.

Hopefully, others see it that way too.

Actually, I know for a fact that they have.

Once DO has gotten his ego rush, this place might just be your one stop shop for hydration tips and marty schemes.
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January 8th, 2020 at 11:09:32 AM permalink

Why don't you just put him out of his misery and suspend him on the way out the door. He's either calling me or Dark a "narcissist" and he previously definitely called me a "narcissist." He didn't call my posts narcissistic he called me a narcissist which is a clear personal insult, especially when offered in this pejorative manner.

I can see that he's upset but being aggravated by whatever was said has never been allowed as an excuse for anything I said last year, I still got suspended. 😄 But, if part of the "new way" this year is to not suspend for insults, then, let it ride!
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January 8th, 2020 at 11:14:23 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

It's a matter of ethics. If zcore posted in meticulous detail about methods to beat his own casino, knowing or believing it would have no impact on him individually , but that it would cost other workers their jobs, that would be reprehensible.



Not exactly the same. He's an AP posting about AP. I'm in Casino Management/Supervision, so the equivalent would be posting about Management topics, like game protection, procedures, etc, which I have done. That probably helps AP's in some way. I say so what. It's my job to make the games fair and safe. If an AP is smart enough to beat me at it until I figure out a way to counter it, that's great. Cat and mouse.

Penn and Teller have said that the masked magician and others that have given away secrets has made magic a better thing. It forces magicians to be innovative and have new ideas. I mean how many decades do you want to see David Copperfield make a hanky dance around?

This is a gambling forum. Not an AP forum. If everything should remain a secret, you should be in or create a private AP forum with AP's only. Outside of that, just participate in threads you want to and don't in others. Voice your displeasure if you want to and commend others. But acting childish and running away doesn't do anything.


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January 8th, 2020 at 11:19:39 AM permalink
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Or maybe Dark is just trying to give MDog a run for the money for the #1 thread?


You're catching up Dark! You're now #2.
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January 8th, 2020 at 11:29:38 AM permalink
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Or maybe Dark is just trying to give MDog a run for the money for the #1 thread?


You're catching up Dark! You're now #2.



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January 8th, 2020 at 11:43:40 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

If you wish to aid a narcissist in his quest for attention by betraying his community with troll posts, that's up to you.



I figure you wanted to go down as a martyr and I'll grant your request. 3 days.

I did like your magic analogy.
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January 8th, 2020 at 1:26:34 PM permalink
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I've been asked to chime in.

Above all, this forum respects freedom of speech (subject to forum rules). There is absolutely no rule darkoz broke with that post. I tend to think his intentions were good in posting it. The same as mine in writing about plays I don't even do, like Ocean Magic, Golden Egypt, and Harley Davidson. I know every time I write about a play, those who already knew it throw stones at me. However, sometimes I get quietly thanked by those who did learn about a play from me. All things considered, I try to do more good than harm. That is what I ask myself before writing about a play. There are plenty of plays I never wrote about because they were "too good to write about."

In the case of this New York card-pulling play, I don't know if it will do more good than harm. However, I absolutely support darkoz's right to write about it. It's unfortunate we've lost a good member as a result and hope he will return.

I have no idea why you were asked to chime in since, WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON THIS ISSUE!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 8th, 2020 at 3:42:38 PM permalink
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I have no idea why you were asked to chime in since, WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON THIS ISSUE!



Axel, I asked him, as it is basically his forum. I felt darkoz was being ostracized unfairly. I tried to present a balanced view, mostly agreeing with you, actually. You telling him it's bad, Aces and Eights telling him it's good, me middling it..... Let's hear from the boss.
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January 8th, 2020 at 3:54:39 PM permalink
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Let's hear from the boss.



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