People getting raped in Vegas even more
https://www.casino.org/news/las-vegas-keeps-getting-more-expensive-fees-now-applied-to-drinks
#SUCKERS_BORN_EVERY_MINUTE
When I first started the article I was fearful that it was talking about fees on comp drinks (which luckily does not seem the case yet).
I would say it is completely valid for people to stop tipping on the strip now. Having a fee for every little thing affords the casinos the opportunity to pay the employees.
I don't tip anymore at places that have lights for drinks. I fulfilled my obligation to get that reward. Now it is on the casino to deliver. I'm sorry for someone who works for someone that doesn't pay them properly. The difference is I did not request the drink. The casino signalled that they owe me one. #DELIVER
gaming or dare I say a recession & see if she can withstand
either or both of those punches.
Its not just the casinos if your from out of town they close
to double greens fees unless you can show Nevada
ID.
have you ever noticed when ordering pizza during their little recording they remind you that..."a delivery fee is not a tip to your driver".Quote: MaxPenI wonder how much of the service fee or auto gratuity is going to the employees?
I would say it is completely valid for people to stop tipping on the strip now. Having a fee for every little thing affords the casinos the opportunity to pay the employees.
I don't tip anymore at places that have lights for drinks. I fulfilled my obligation to get that reward. Now it is on the casino to deliver. I'm sorry for someone who works for someone that doesn't pay them properly. The difference is I did not request the drink. The casino signalled that they owe me one. #DELIVER
My order used to cost me like $15(depending if I order lava cakes or not) and I would give the guy the $20.
Now that same order is like $20. That really triggers me, because now I can't just hand him a $20.
What's this have to do with gambling? Well apparently I'm gambling with my life since
apparently places like door-dash is hiring 3-time felons and that guy might not like my tip.
Where is the pizza drones? I thought everything was supposed to be drone delivered by now???
I know at first I'll be super pissed off if I ever see one of those fees or a mandatory tip on my bill. (I'm used to it for the 'parties of 8 or more'). And I will frequent other establishments that do not have it. And I will alert a manager that I will not be returning because of those fees.
Until there aren't enough options without them.....
Quote: SOOPOOI am pretty sure we discussed something like this a few years back about a restaurant, maybe Sugar Factory, or something like that. They had some sort of fee and if my fading memory serves me Mike did something about it?
I know at first I'll be super pissed off if I ever see one of those fees or a mandatory tip on my bill. (I'm used to it for the 'parties of 8 or more'). And I will frequent other establishments that do not have it. And I will alert a manager that I will not be returning because of those fees.
Until there aren't enough options without them.....
Beer Park, Hexx and Cabo Wabo add one. Pure garbage.
https://vitalvegas.com/beware-the-deceptive-cnf-charge-at-beer-park-hexx-kitchen-at-paris-las-vegas/
It goes like this, the company approaches restaurants and offers free CC processing in exchange for adding a Service Fee of $1.99 to $3.99 to every check. The fee is determined in advance based on your average check history.
As a higher volume restaurant/ bar my CC fees are around $4,000 a month. But as a smart business owner I know this and factors the fees into menu pricing as most businesses do. However I see less business savvy owners seeing this as a way to eliminate the fees, without understanding the amount of customers they will lose over it.
It’s getting a big push and time will tell if it gains traction but is something to look for when dining out anywhere.
Quote: AxelWolfhave you ever noticed when ordering pizza during their little recording they remind you that..."a delivery fee is not a tip to your driver".
My order used to cost me like $15(depending if I order lava cakes or not) and I would give the guy the $20.
Now that same order is like $20. That really triggers me, because now I can't just hand him a $20.
What's this have to do with gambling? Well apparently I'm gambling with my life since
apparently places like door-dash is hiring 3-time felons and that guy might not like my tip.
Ugh, I deleted my door dash account because they were literally stealing tips.
When you tip in the app it says “100% of tip goes to driver” which was 100% a lie. They would pay a driver a flat amount for delivery. If the driver was getting paid $5 for the delivery, and you tipped $6, doordash would keep the extra $1.
And the 3 time felon thing. I also swore the service off the service because of my last experience.
I ordered on a rainy night, and the driver pulls up in front of my house and just sits there for several minutes. I hear some very faint yelling but can’t tell where it’s coming from. Finally about 5 minutes later he gets out of his car and brings the food to my door. He’s all pissed off and says “I was yelling for you to come out with an umbrella!”
WTF is that????
Quote: Boz
As a higher volume restaurant/ bar my CC fees are around $4,000 a month. But as a smart business owner I know this and factors the fees into menu pricing as most businesses do. However I see less business savvy owners seeing this as a way to eliminate the fees, without understanding the amount of customers they will lose over it.
It’s getting a big push and time will tell if it gains traction but is something to look for when dining out anywhere.
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I think you're a smart man to do that. I don't really think the people mind the pricing so much, what they mind is feeling ripped off as though they are paying for (nothing) something that they didn't get and maybe didn't know about. I don't think you're going to lose too many customers because you charge $19.49 for a steak dinner (casual restaurant) as opposed to $18.99...and maybe not any customers that you really want, anyway. I do think you can lose GREAT customers if you tick off the wrong person who drops $100 every visit with some arbitrary $1.99 fee and LOSE much more than the two bucks when you never see him again.
Quote: gamerfreakUgh, I deleted my door dash account because they were literally stealing tips.
When you tip in the app it says “100% of tip goes to driver” which was 100% a lie. They would pay a driver a flat amount for delivery. If the driver was getting paid $5 for the delivery, and you tipped $6, doordash would keep the extra $1.
And the 3 time felon thing. I also swore the service off the service because of my last experience.
I ordered on a rainy night, and the driver pulls up in front of my house and just sits there for several minutes. I hear some very faint yelling but can’t tell where it’s coming from. Finally about 5 minutes later he gets out of his car and brings the food to my door. He’s all pissed off and says “I was yelling for you to come out with an umbrella!”
WTF is that????
I haven't ordered delivery food in atleast 10 years..
In my youth there used to be a service fee down bills in restaurants and such.
Where there wasn’t, you were expected to tip.
Then a law made « all inclusive » bills compelling. Service was to be included in overall price.
Nobody complained. On the contrary, it made things much more transparent, you knew in advance what you would have to pay just by looking at the menu prices.
Workers were paid by their employer, not customers, as should be.
And waiters/waitresses did not dispatch their kindness or efficiency all of a sudden.
And if they do/did there's always someone able and willing to replace them.Quote: kubikulann
And waiters/waitresses did not dispatch their kindness or efficiency all of a sudden.
I wouldn't want an employee working for me who ranted about tips. I would be monitoring their social media accounts.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd if they do/did there's always someone able and willing to replace them.
I wouldn't want an employee working for me who ranted about tips. I would be monitoring their social media accounts.
We do. I’m biased somewhat because I know for the most part what they make overall because of CC tips. Which are the majority of tips in my industry anymore. That said we all get pissed, AP play, serving, whatever, when you do the right thing and it doesn’t pay off.
You know in the long run doing the right thing, playing the right play, providing great service, will pay off. But it still sucks when it doesn’t. The good ones, and I’m luckily enough to have some of the best working for me, understand doing what they do will average out. Still sucks when someone stiffs you.
And NO, in today’s service economy, they isn’t someone to always replace them. It’s why quality establishments do what it takes to retain the best of the best.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd if they do/did there's always someone able and willing to replace them.
I wouldn't want an employee working for me who ranted about tips. I would be monitoring their social media accounts.
I am pretty sure most states have laws against an employer forcing you to give your social media accounts...
Quote: BozWe do. I’m biased somewhat because I know for the most part what they make overall because of CC tips. Which are the majority of tips in my industry anymore. That said we all get pissed, AP play, serving, whatever, when you do the right thing and it doesn’t pay off.
You know in the long run doing the right thing, playing the right play, providing great service, will pay off. But it still sucks when it doesn’t. The good ones, and I’m luckily enough to have some of the best working for me, understand doing what they do will average out. Still sucks when someone stiffs you.
And NO, in today’s service economy, they isn’t someone to always replace them. It’s why quality establishments do what it takes to retain the best of the best.
Who pays the fee on CC tips? The restaurant or the employee?
Quote: gamerfreakWho pays the fee on CC tips? The restaurant or the employee?
Restaurant pays the CC fees, but the employee has to report the CC tips at the end of the day. It’s why servers paychecks are almost nothing because they are taxed on them, But I have to pay the matching SS tax based on their reported income.
It’s why they love cash tips and why they dread the change to almost all CC transactions.
My legal responsibility is only to ensure they are making federal minimum wage between salary and reported tips.
So much more I could say.
Quote: rainmanVegas has become a joke, wait for a surge in legalized online
gaming or dare I say a recession & see if she can withstand
either or both of those punches.
Vegas has a few things going for it. Vegas is the place to have a convention in the southwest for both flights and number of rooms. I used to work at a company that our annual managers meeting could be over 1,000 people. It was at the point that they told us there were just a half dozen or so resorts that could handle us. Lots of meeting rooms and dining space needed in addition to rooms. Need to move many people in and out. Vegas can do this, and has the needed airport that can do it.
Vegas still has the backbone of a "complete" experience in the way of shows and other things to do. People do like this.
OTOH, there is less and less reason to go. I just saw the local sportsbook jammed for some Ultimate Fighting event. You had to muscle your way to the counter. And that is still the "temporary" book, the new one will be many times the size. Just a year ago that was NV only. Gaming rules in LV get worse and worse. The nickel and dimming of guests gets worse and worse. At this rate you will have to buy a pen to sign the room register soon. When you do get to the mega-places you might as well be at Disney World.
And that will be what decides it. Do people want Vegas/Disney, or do the want a more one-to-one service experience they get local?
Reno looks better and better. Though it is early to say Vegas in in Barney.
On the other hand, the app clearly identifies who they are and tracks them the entire time. Anything is possible, but you'd have to be really, really, really dumb to commit a crime under those circumstances.
Delivery fees and other nickle and diming really has nothing to do with tips. If anything, an employer who is nickle and diming his customers to death almost certainly pays his employees as poorly as possible.
(Assuming your views of nickle and diming are even right. Why wouldn't having a pizza brought to your house cost more than you going to pick it up?)
but other than that, they aren't really related. It's like saying "my rent went up, so now I'm going to shoplift from the grocery store."
Quote: Mission146The employers have to have liability insurance on the drivers with the pizza places, hence the delivery fee. That’s true in at least some states, may not be in all.
Here is another subtlety many might not be aware of.
Driving to your house and then back to the store costs time and money.
Quote: Mission146The employers have to have liability insurance on the drivers with the pizza places, hence the delivery fee. That’s true in at least some states, may not be in all.
You have that and other costs. POS system in most places. Have to pay the drivers at least the waitress minimum just to hang around. Boxes aren't free, person taking orders is not free.
I took a delivery job a few months last year to keep food in the fridge. File it under one of those jobs a renaissance man needs to have in his life. From a gal driver they all said was on heroin to a supervisor I was ready to shove in the oven head first, you really see another part of things.
Quote: Mission146The employers have to have liability insurance on the drivers with the pizza places, hence the delivery fee. That’s true in at least some states, may not be in all.
At the risk of doxing, I still offer 100% free delivery and only offer delivery if you order online or from my apps. It’s rare anymore but trust me it pays off. I pay my drivers $10 an hour and $1 commission a delivery. They average $4 in tips a delivery and again I benefit from the lack of understanding of the industry from others. Price it in and give the customer a perceived deal and you win every time.
The delivery services are a scam preying on lazy people. Are you willing to pay $5.95 to get Wendy’s delivered?
Opportunity always knocks. Good business minds find ways to profit from it. Find the win/win, so much money to be made out there. Just don’t F the customer.
Quote: Boz
The delivery services are a scam preying on lazy people. Are you willing to pay $5.95 to get Wendy’s delivered?
I am amazed at how many people are. In college we would about half the time pay fifty cents delivery for a place right across the street. Well, I did about half. One roommate paid it all the time, though he is a whole other story. Our place was like living in a sitcom.
Think of how you would explain it to someone in the third world:
Someone else grew the food
Someone else picked the food
Someone else processed the food
Someone else cooked the food
And so many of our people are too lazy to go out in their flipping car and pick up the food!
Quote: AZDuffmanYou have that and other costs. POS system in most places. Have to pay the drivers at least the waitress minimum just to hang around. Boxes aren't free, person taking orders is not free.
I took a delivery job a few months last year to keep food in the fridge. File it under one of those jobs a renaissance man needs to have in his life. From a gal driver they all said was on heroin to a supervisor I was ready to shove in the oven head first, you really see another part of things.
I know, but all that other stuff happens even if the person picks it up. Any pizza driver I’ve asked has made at least the actual MW, not that for waitresses.
Quote: Rigondeauxbut other than that, they aren't really related. It's like saying "my rent went up, so now I'm going to shoplift from the grocery store."
Turkey isn’t gonna steal itself.
Quote: BozAt the risk of doxing, I still offer 100% free delivery and only offer delivery if you order online or from my apps. It’s rare anymore but trust me it pays off. I pay my drivers $10 an hour and $1 commission a delivery. They average $4 in tips a delivery and again I benefit from the lack of understanding of the industry from others. Price it in and give the customer a perceived deal and you win every time.
The delivery services are a scam preying on lazy people. Are you willing to pay $5.95 to get Wendy’s delivered?
Opportunity always knocks. Good business minds find ways to profit from it. Find the win/win, so much money to be made out there. Just don’t F the customer.
That’s awesome, everyone wins! The way you do it, I mean.
Quote: BozThe delivery services are a scam preying on lazy people. Are you willing to pay $5.95 to get Wendy’s delivered?
Drunk/high people who do not want to drive.
Quote: gamerfreakDrunk/high people who do not want to drive.
There were times when I was stuck in a motel with no current car rental. I'd use the delivery service. I was glad that option was available. The drivers seem very professional. Although, the employment pool will always be from a questionable crowd.
an alcoholic had her keys taken. She used uber to goto the liquor store. She had a back up credit card.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou have that and other costs. POS system in most places. Have to pay the drivers at least the waitress minimum just to hang around. Boxes aren't free, person taking orders is not free.
I took a delivery job a few months last year to keep food in the fridge. File it under one of those jobs a renaissance man needs to have in his life. From a gal driver they all said was on heroin to a supervisor I was ready to shove in the oven head first, you really see another part of things.
I did it on an app part time for about a year.
As far as real jobs go, it was pretty cool. I'm sociable but ultimately an introvert. Chilling out alone in my car, listening to whatever I wanted, driving around town... I enjoyed it much of the time. Especially on Sundays, when my favorite radio shows were on, or when a baseball game was on.
Some customers were massive a-holes. Some were awesome. Some merchants are also cool and will give you a drink.
It is amazing how many people will pay $10 to have $4 worth of dogfood delivered from McD's or some place. On the other hand, some people will have something like Lowry's delivered which also seems crazy... to spend $75 a head on fancy food, knowing it will have been sitting around for 30 minutes after it was ready to eat.
One girl paid close to $30 to have a boba tea delivered all the way across town. However, my guess is she didn't understand the app.
On a couple of occasions, a scantily clad woman opened the door. I remember one really hot woman in her underwear. Of course, in our current guilty till proven innocent climate, these situations are mainly just uncomfortable.
It's funny cuz in the little driver facebook groups and stuff, half the people thought if a dude answered the door in boxers and a t-shirt he was basically guilty of rape.
Anyway, the company cut our pay by more than 50%. At that point, you were losing money on the delivery and just hoping tips would put you in the black. Too bad, or I might still do it on the occasional Sunday or when I had some extra time with a rental car.
**The main thing you can do to make your driver's life easier and get your food fast. If you live in some big complex or gated community, or are in an office, communicate to them how to find your place. There isn't some magical delivery boy power ring that tells you how to find unit number 442 in a complex with 50 buildings. GPS doesn't know either. More often than not, the numbering system is just all over the place with no logical sequence.
Quote: jjjooogggAs a fellow restaurant owner past 50 years and started working as a cashier 38 years ago. I visited a famous diner in Austin open for 35 years.. I was sitting when the owner mentioned that he was the owner with the cashier. They didn't seem friendly, so I checked my bill. They added $1 to my total for take out. He hustled me to buy two meals. I can't believe that mean people are so supported by the community. They keep expanding.
They keep expanding, but are they making money?
More locations don’t always mean more profits. That said, some have figured it out. F’ng employees by paying them minimum wage under the guise of they need this job is pathetic.
To me the lack of customer service we accept and the lack of appreciation of the quality employees that make it happen saddens me daily.
In the spirit of the rules here, I so wish other small business owners would appreciate the workers out there doing everything to make your experience acceptable. So much we take for granted daily is made possible by everyday people doing their job.
We have such opportunity over chains if we just used common sense and decency.
It’s not a business model that works. You can’t keep F’n People to work for less than minimum wage while driving their cars into the ground. It makes no sense financially.
As a customer, I love it. Until I hear the stories from drivers, waiting for an hour at airports for $8 rides. Come on, this makes no financial sense.
Probably should be in the stock forum, but I’d love to know how anyone sees a road to profitability for these companies.
A bunch of delivery drivers called in to the show and admitted to stealing some fries or chicken fingers on occasion. But one guy called in and said he would take the pepperonis off a pizza, suck on them, and then put them back.
Puke.
Quote: gamerfreakDrunk/high people who do not want to drive.
I know you have a better finger on the pulse of the younger generation. Are you willing to invest in these business opportunities? I’m open to your experience.
The places are awful. Cashier screws up the order, you drive all the way back on your dime just to deliver a soda. They don’t confirm the address and you’re calling and driving all over trying to find the customer. You ask them to please confirm the address and order with the customer, the manager tells you to stop complaining so much. You kill your car every night. I got in an accident once, insurance drops you. You’re trying to be the best in an industry full of the worst.
Quote: gamerfreakOn a morning radio show, they were talking about a news story that said that something like 60% of delivery drivers admitted to eating customers food and one point or another.
A bunch of delivery drivers called in to the show and admitted to stealing some fries or chicken fingers on occasion. But one guy called in and said he would take the pepperonis off a pizza, suck on them, and then put them back.
Puke.
I believe that is Bullshit, that said, it’s not a shock when you hire anyone with a pulse.
We are at 100% employment regardless of government numbers. Anyone who wants a job is employed, anyone without one is unemployable.
Either a junkie, lazy bum, burned every previous job or just a pathetic individual.
Quote: BozAnd on a different tangent, it’s why I have Uber and Lyft stock shorted.
It’s not a business model that works. You can’t keep F’n People to work for less than minimum wage while driving their cars into the ground. It makes no sense financially.
As a customer, I love it. Until I hear the stories from drivers, waiting for an hour at airports for $8 rides. Come on, this makes no financial sense.
Probably should be in the stock forum, but I’d love to know how anyone sees a road to profitability for these companies.
I said it in an earlier discussion, but where they really screwed up was discouraging tipping. Their plan was, essentially, to keep the tips for themselves. I think in their minds, riders are willing to pay $x.xx for a ride and they were in competition with the drivers for it.
What they didn't get was, most of us are willing to be generous with a working stiff and make sure he's well paid for a job well done. Especially while looking him in the eye. But, we are less generous with billionaires and giant corps. So it is not true that there is just a fixed amount we are willing to pay. By discouraging tipping, they passed up the opportunity for a big chunk of their labor costs to be taken care of for free.
If Uber covered your operating costs and paid you around min wage you could do pretty well as a driver if a heavy majority tipped $3-5. But they've already been trained not to.
As I'm sure you know, these apps have been screwing drivers over harder and harder. They are also charging riders more. And the real problem is, they still hemorrhage massive amounts of money. It's almost as if Taxis cost what they do for a reason.
Yeah, Uber is ubiquitous. But guess what. If you gave me tens of billions of dollars to start a burger chain, and it was ok for each branch to lose money every year, I'd have one on every corner.
Their hope is that the self driving cars will come and yada yada yada. Problem there is, Apple, GM, Google and others are working on the same goal. And those are some of the sharpest companies in the world, while Uber is a complete s-show.
Quote: Mission146I know, but all that other stuff happens even if the person picks it up. Any pizza driver I’ve asked has made at least the actual MW, not that for waitresses.
In Las Vegas almost all of the servers and bartenders make above average money. With so many patrons in the service industry they tip way above normal.
My first wife was a waitress in a local bar in Las Vegas and averaged $200 a night in tips ten years ago. I am not saying everybody makes that but it is a pretty good earning job in this city. I have two friends that are waiters at a high end restaurant (Joe's) and they both say they average about $400 a night in tips. They have a 5,000 sq ft house that probably cost close to $800,000.
There is so much money to be made in this city.
Quote: DRichIn Las Vegas almost all of the servers and bartenders make above average money. With so many patrons in the service industry they tip way above normal.
My first wife was a waitress in a local bar in Las Vegas and averaged $200 a night in tips ten years ago. I am not saying everybody makes that but it is a pretty good earning job in this city. I have two friends that are waiters at a high end restaurant (Joe's) and they both say they average about $400 a night in tips. They have a 5,000 sq ft house that probably cost close to $800,000.
I know a lot about Joe’s, one of the few successful businesses on that level at the Forum shops. What do you mean in your last sentence? Many have failed on that level, and on the strip in general. Tips don’t tell the entire story as we both know.
I assume you mean a 5000 SF site on the strip pays $800,000 in rent a year. It’s crazy but you are 100% correct.
I have been offered to invest in multiple locations on the strip with what I think is a winning concept. But I can’t stomach the rent and still sleep at night. It’s crazy and overpriced by any business metric. That said, some still make incredible money.
Quote: Rigondeaux**The main thing you can do to make your driver's life easier and get your food fast. If you live in some big complex or gated community, or are in an office, communicate to them how to find your place. There isn't some magical delivery boy power ring that tells you how to find unit number 442 in a complex with 50 buildings. GPS doesn't know either. More often than not, the numbering system is just all over the place with no logical sequence.
I've only done delivery a few times....but I've had to deal a lot with AC repairmen and other people like that. I always tell them "it's the first building on the right" (or is it the left? I ain't trynna doxx myself) and "call when you're here/close, I'll go down and find you since you won't be able to get into the building." More often than how often it should happen -- I get a call like 20 minutes after they were supposed to show up, "Yeah I been waiting trying to get into the building for 20 minutes now - WHERE ARE YOU??"
Also domino's delivery drivers are cucks because they won't go to 7-11 and buy me a club soda. The pizza is still GOAT tho.
Quote: RSI've only done delivery a few times....but I've had to deal a lot with AC repairmen and other people like that. I always tell them "it's the first building on the right" (or is it the left? I ain't trynna doxx myself) and "call when you're here/close, I'll go down and find you since you won't be able to get into the building." More often than how often it should happen -- I get a call like 20 minutes after they were supposed to show up, "Yeah I been waiting trying to get into the building for 20 minutes now - WHERE ARE YOU??"
Also domino's delivery drivers are cucks because they won't go to 7-11 and buy me a club soda. The pizza is still GOAT tho.
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Quote: GandlerI am pretty sure most states have laws against an employer forcing you to give your social media accounts...
That depends on the job. For instance, any clear-thinking police department, and maybe fire department, will require you to provide your passwords as a condition of employment.
They don't want to find out the hard way that they hired a weekend skinhead.
Quote: DRichIn Las Vegas almost all of the servers and bartenders make above average money. With so many patrons in the service industry they tip way above normal.
My first wife was a waitress in a local bar in Las Vegas and averaged $200 a night in tips ten years ago. I am not saying everybody makes that but it is a pretty good earning job in this city. I have two friends that are waiters at a high end restaurant (Joe's) and they both say they average about $400 a night in tips. They have a 5,000 sq ft house that probably cost close to $800,000.
There is so much money to be made in this city.
What I meant about the pizza guys was that their base hourly, if they didn’t have a single order, was the actual minimum wage, or more, not the one for waitresses. Any tips were on top of that.
I admit, I can be lazy and not want to drive 1.5 miles away to get my pizza.Quote: AZDuffman
And so many of our people are too lazy to go out in their flipping car and pick up the food!
But how dare you not to have any sympathy for the bus riders of America.😁
Quote: rainmanVegas has become a joke,
That actually started in the late
80's and has been getting worse
ever since. I don't care if I ever
go to Vegas again, last time I
was there I couldn't wait to leave.
